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You could be famous..
Shelly Castellano, Photographer, Assistant
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Huntington Beach | CA | USA | Posted: 1:48 PM on 02.27.04 |
->> So, a friend sent me this link. For a journalist just starting out, its a chance of a lifetime eventhough it a "work for hire" shoot, you can opt for taking a cash out on the grand prize and have a fun Hollywood experience! Check it out!
http://h10030.www1.hp.com/you/us/en/home.html |
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Preston Mack, Photographer
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Orlando | FL | USA | Posted: 1:50 PM on 02.27.04 |
| ->> Wow. We can get our photos used in an advertisment, and not get paid! :) |
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Andy Mead, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 1:55 PM on 02.27.04 |
| ->> Preston, the winner receives payment in the form of cash and/or prizes. |
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Chris Large, Photographer
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Okotoks | AB | Canada | Posted: 2:12 PM on 02.27.04 |
| ->> Really don't think you should be cynical of the idea. For someone starting out, wanting a different experience or just to find out how incredibly boring a movie set can be - it could be an fun time. |
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Michael Ciu, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Lorain | OH | USA | Posted: 2:17 PM on 02.27.04 |
| ->> If you read the really small print, the movie is Gigli II. |
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Kurt Jones, Photographer
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Sherman Oaks | CA | USA | Posted: 2:30 PM on 02.27.04 |
->> incredibly boring is right.
My 'regular' job is as a Camera Operator for movies/tv.
I debated doing stills as well.(it's the same union) but don't.
15 hour days, bad craft services and even worse catering. But the $$$$$ is GREAT !!
You must have had a blast with Miracle though, eh Chris.
a DP that was given the script early on talked to me about it, since I operate and grew up playing hockey with a few NHL guys and on 2 US Junior teams.
But alas, the USA hockey movie was shot in Canada so I couldn't go. Just as bad as the Rudy Juliani / 9-11 story being shot in Canada too, for the USA Network.....90% of the USA network's movies are shot OUT OF THE US !!
(I'll stop my runaway production bitchin now.. ;-) |
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Chris Large, Photographer
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Okotoks | AB | Canada | Posted: 3:03 PM on 02.27.04 |
->> Hey Kurt, you're right about the hours but generally the catering & craft service here are great. Just finished The Heidi Fleiss Story for USA so I know what you mean about them shooting in Canada.
Stills is generally a better gig than most because we set our own hours and are flexible about coming and going.
Back to the topic - I still think the average shooter would be interested in seeing productions from the inside, so go ahead and enter the contest |
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Matthias Krause, Photographer
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Brooklyn | NY | USA | Posted: 3:29 PM on 02.27.04 |
| ->> but read the fine print: professionals not allowed! |
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Shelly Castellano, Photographer, Assistant
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Huntington Beach | CA | USA | Posted: 3:52 PM on 02.27.04 |
->> Pro's would know better that's why I said journalists just starting out. We have lots of students and hobby shooters on this site that would enjoy & learn this experience if choosen. Its a fun self assignment just to get started. Yes, film sets are boring and the whole thing gets old.. but for a first timer, 2 days on any movie set is an unreal experience!
ps- Chris, I am going with some NHL people to see Miracle tonight! looks like a good movie, I'm sure you had fun on this paid assignment! |
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Kurt Jones, Photographer
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Sherman Oaks | CA | USA | Posted: 3:55 PM on 02.27.04 |
->> Ahh, the good ole USA network shooting up north...... oh well.
BTW, ss.com is my 'get away' from my regular job.
It's not the place to bitch about runaway production and I apologize for that.
AND I was in no way bagging on Canadian workers or Australian workers or any craftsmen where NON US productions take place.
Just can't figure out for the life of me why Major things in our countries history that get made into movies, get made OUTSIDE our contry just to save a few bucks.
Ahh, that all mighty dollar at work...... |
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Kurt Jones, Photographer
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Sherman Oaks | CA | USA | Posted: 3:58 PM on 02.27.04 |
->> Shelly, it's a great movie.
I loved every minute of it.
it brought me back to days where kids, like me, could dream of representing our country.
Now, you already have to be in the NHL to do it.
Wearing that jersey on the US Junior team was a feeling I will never forget.
bring some tissue !! ;-) |
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Juliann Tallino, Photographer
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Vallejo | CA | usa | Posted: 4:56 PM on 02.27.04 |
| ->> Just curious, but how do you get a job shooting stills on a movie set? |
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Kurt Jones, Photographer
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Sherman Oaks | CA | USA | Posted: 6:15 PM on 02.27.04 |
->> Well, just like any movie job, you start off in the low budget/Non union world.
Working your way up and making contacts. After you have worked 100 PAID, non union days, you send your info to Contract Services and they put you on the Guild Roster.
In the states, you then join Local 600, the Cinematogrephers Guild.
(which isn't cheap, as a Camera Operator I've paid over 7K to get in and then $180 every 1/4 and 1% of my income. The Still photog catagory isn't much cheaper for the initiation and similar dues rate)
that is the technical part of it.
You buy some camera blimps.
Make some contacts at the studios and with producers and there you go.
Doing it is the hard part, but once your in and you can find work it's rather lucrative. As an Operator I can work about 6 months a year and gross 6 figures.
I know a few here in LA if you'd like to talk with any of them.
Chris works up in Canada and the union system is a bit different.
How does your's work up there Chris??? How similar?
Kurt |
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Chris Large, Photographer
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Okotoks | AB | Canada | Posted: 4:34 AM on 02.28.04 |
->> Thats the $64K question......how do you get in. Its like asking how do you land a SI staff gig. You pay your dues....both ways.....cash & time.
Canada is the same as the states...any show of any size uses a union crew - IATSE. It took me 5 years of permit work to get to the point where the union would look at my portfolio and decide if I would be accepted. Permit work means doing a show that has signed with the union, or is equivalent and had no union shooters available or qualified to do it. Example - low budget tv in an area with no union shooters there and none willing to travel there and work as a local hire. Then you may get a permit. Then you need a 100 days of permit work. On TV you usually only shoot one day for every 3 of production so getting 100 days can take along time (as I said - 5 years for me)
Once you are in the union, there is no sure deal for work. I can work anywhere here but I compete against all the other shooters in the union - 35-40 in western Canada.
Feature work is usually a better deal - you shoot every day and doing a big show like Miracle can make a big dent in your year end. I shot for 17 weeks, with alot of 6 day weeks on that show. Open Range was the same, Scarey Movie abit shorter...you get the idea.
The day rate is pretty decent, like Kurt said you can work hard for 6 months and then coast. Down side is the hours can be brutal, most days are short if they are only 12 hrs, my longest was 22 and unlike operators, alot of stills shooters work on a flat rate. But that evens out.....I'm back in my hotel right now (230 AM) while the rest of the unit is still shooting (exteriors at -5C)....the scene they are doing has no publicity value and the producers are cool with the fact that I come and go as I want to balance out the long days.
As in most areas, 5% of the guys get %90 of the work....I count my lucky stars that I seem to get my share of the big shows but I am always aware that it could change in a heart beat and bust my ass on set to make sure I deliver.
Your book (portfolio) is everything....you need to shoot low budget indies, music videos...anything related to the industry. Producers want to see action and actors......news and sports won't get you in.
Sorry for such a long post but I get emails every week from curious shooters so I figured this would be a good way to get some ideas across. Drop me a note if you want more info
Chris |
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Jeremy Harmon, Photographer
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Salt Lake City | UT | USA | Posted: 8:16 AM on 02.28.04 |
| ->> HP should change the line from "you could be famous" to "you should let us take advantage of you" |
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Doug Holleman, Photographer
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Temple | TX | USA | Posted: 2:01 PM on 02.28.04 |
| ->> It's basically an internship, from what I can see. What's so wrong with that? |
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