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College Shooters - College Media Guides Out of Print?
Todd Drexler, Photographer
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Jacksonville | FL | US | Posted: 5:54 PM on 02.18.04 |
->> My company does alot of work with colleges in Florida. We are contracted to shoot and produce media guides, the Associate Commissioner of the Atlantic Sun Conference asked how this would affect our business. He thought if this passes schools may cut back on the shooters and designers. I had not heard about this. Your thoughts.
http://www.ncaa.org/news/2004/20040216/active/4104n02.html |
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Michael Hickey, Photographer
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Muncie | IN | USA | Posted: 6:15 PM on 02.18.04 |
->> When in the hell is the NCAA and Myles Brand going to realize this IS a business, schools ARE required to compete against one another to get the recruits, and media guides are not inherently EVIL!
Because of state funding all around here at Ball State, assignments are already significantly off compared to last year and this threatens to kill our biggest client. |
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Steve Franz, Photographer
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Baton Rouge | LA | USA | Posted: 6:21 PM on 02.18.04 |
| ->> There is a proposal that says media guides cannot be printed at all. They can only be distributed by e-mail or the institution's web site. I will look further into this. |
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Ian Halperin, Photographer
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Plano(Dallas) | TX | USA | Posted: 7:02 PM on 02.18.04 |
| ->> They will need photos. |
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Todd Drexler, Photographer
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Jacksonville | FL | US | Posted: 7:12 PM on 02.18.04 |
| ->> Photo needs will suffer - If they start putting these guides online i think the artical maybe correct in the fact that media, recruits, etc. won't want to view 30, 60, 90 or pages of a PDF. Online guides will be come smaller. Less photos needed = less assignments. |
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John Reed, Photographer
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Montgomery | AL | USA | Posted: 10:43 PM on 02.18.04 |
->> For many years, most of the major Division One teams had a 4-color recruiting book. This got killed when the NCAA decided that this was unfair to the smaller colleges.
For the most part, a media guide is for the media--there is more inane information in those things than you could ever believe. However, the only color in the books now is on the cover pages.
From what I've read, this sounds like the bow-tie wearing crowd of the NCAA is trying to make all the schools equal. However (no slight intended)--which schools draw more money to the NCAA--Auburn and Tennessee or Penn and Brown?? |
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David Johnson, Photographer
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Social Circle | GA | USA | Posted: 10:46 PM on 02.18.04 |
->> There will always be a competition to produce the best guide, whether it is printed or digitized. CoSIDA hands awards out awards each year for media guides and that won't stop. It's way too early to say how this would affect image placement & design. Schools will still want images to convey the athletes' power and agility. It could lead to MORE use of images because they could use flash slideshows, etc......
Personally, I think the proposal is out of line. It will not be a cost savings to schools. They will still have to invest in design and production costs, but the format will change from paper to web & CDs. Additionlly, schools would have to invest in more power & network connections to accomidate the print media's needs for laptop hook ups. The schools will have to provide printers for reporters to print out pertinent information.
I wonder if te NCAA or CoSIDA has thought about surveying the media to see what they would prefer? |
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Bob Markey, Photographer
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Royal Palm Beach | FL | USA | Posted: 11:16 PM on 02.18.04 |
->> For the first time this year, many of my images made it into a small but successful I-A school's basketball media guide (including the cover). I'm sure I will be asked to contribute to the school's football and hoops guides next year.
How much do you all charge for images (by the image, hour, event, size of school, other)? I welcome any and all suggestions.
How do you handle use agreements? For example, do you approve each photo's use, or give the SID access to everything? I ask because my images have been used by other university departments (including the university Web site) and, just recently, a football schedule (downloaded from my Web site, including my copyright statement).
This school is rather tight, financially (and rightly so as a relative newcomer to I-A). In the past I have recovered expenses and not much more. But I probably would have been at most of the games, anyway.
I would like to be ready to make a case for some money next time around. |
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Todd Drexler, Photographer
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Jacksonville | FL | US | Posted: 9:01 AM on 02.19.04 |
->> Bob,
Are working for the school or just selling images to them? In our case the schools we work with contact us for say 30-60 athletic events and then schedule those shoots per season(Fall, Winter, and Spring sports). This saves the school some $$$ compared to paying per event and us peace of mind knowing the work is coming. We edit and turn the images over to the Sports Information Department and allow them to use the images for all university purposes media guides, marketing, other university SIDs (with credit and copy of where used), etc. However if it is for use by someone outside of the university they contact us for usage fees. Maybe you could come up with a similar arrangement.
I would contact the people that downloaded images from your site and see about compensation or see if the university gave permission to use. You may find out they thought they had permission from someone. Its has also been my experience that alot times student assistants are working in the SID offices and just do not know all the rules. Either way it just wrong but with the internet people do it all the time and very few get caught. Sorry - off the subject.
Lastly, some of the schools we work allow or wanted us to post the images we take for sale to the student-athletes and parents. It has been our experience generally that those sales generate as much $$$ as shooting the event or more. Just a thought to generate more $$$ for yourself. |
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Bob Markey, Photographer
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Royal Palm Beach | FL | USA | Posted: 10:36 AM on 02.19.04 |
->> Thanks.
I do not work for the university, or even live near it. Last year I started shooting football and basketball for myself and the SID and others noticed. They began asking for images, which wound up being used throughout the hoops media guide (first time in the Dance last year for this program).
I shot several football games this year and expect the same requests for the fall guide.
I have also been asked for use of my images by the marching band director, the company responsible for designing the interior of the new football stadium's club level, and other departments. The other day, I noticed Web shots of some of my football images on a tentative football schedule. I knew they had been taken from my Web site because they still had the Breeze Browser-created copyright notice.
I wonder how much I should charge per use/image. |
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Todd Drexler, Photographer
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Neil Brake, Photographer
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Nashville | TN | USA | Posted: 12:09 PM on 02.19.04 |
->> I work for a University, but I not only work for the Athletics Dept, I also shoot other things for our University and Medical Center. I have spoken with our SID and it is something that they are very aware of and are trying to keep it from happening with several other schools and SID's. The ones that are hurting are the lower schools who can't afford to put out these guides. My suggestion is to let it be a college by college choice. It will not affect my job either way, but I think the books are alot eaiser to look up something for a reporter on deadline than having to hide your story and go surf on the web for the information.
Hope they get it all worked out. I know a lot of guys who just shoot for Athletic Depts and they could be in trouble. |
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Erik Markov, Photographer
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Darrell Walker, Photographer
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Smyrna (Atlanta) | GA | USA | Posted: 1:23 PM on 03.30.04 |
| ->> Who put a picture of a croc. on the Florida football media guide? |
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Stanley Leary, Photographer
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Roswell | GA | USA | Posted: 1:45 PM on 03.30.04 |
->> Daaarrrreeellll ;-)
I have talked with the SID folks at GT and this has been talked about for years. I doubt things will change. |
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Sam Santilli, Photographer
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Philippi | WV | USA | Posted: 7:27 PM on 03.30.04 |
| ->> This seems to be another way the NCAA can flex its muscles and show everyone how important they are to themselves, with little regard to the people it will hurt. The world is not fair...why should a large DI school reduce the quality of their product when it will have little or no effect on the recruiting scheme. If the world was fair, Canon and Nikon would give us all free toys to play with in the sandbox. |
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