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Another Try @ Hockey
Bob Levey, Photographer
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Richmond | TX | USA | Posted: 10:31 AM on 12.18.03 |
->> I took everyones comments about shooting from a higher vantage point.. let me know what ya think..
http://www.boblevey.com/events/aeros2
Thanks
Bob |
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Jason Braverman, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Ann Arbor | MI | USA | Posted: 11:19 AM on 12.18.03 |
| ->> Nice job! I did the same thing after shooting hockey once through the glass -- the next game I went up higher. I was much happier with the results. Keep shooting! |
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Carleton Q. Hall, Photographer
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Washington | DC | USA | Posted: 11:21 AM on 12.18.03 |
->> Looking good!
Camera settings?
Lens?
Camera? |
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Jacob Hannah, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Rochester | NY | USA | Posted: 1:55 PM on 12.18.03 |
->> Nice shots Bob, I would also like to know what your camera settings were. I shot hockey for the first time yesterday. The ambient exposure was about 1/250 at ISO 1600. I used a 70-200 and 35-70 shooting through the glass and a 300 shooting from above. I found that I got some slight motion blur from the relatively slow shutter speed but there was not much I could do about that.
I put a few of the shots up on my member page. Any advice for next time would be appreciated. |
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Jana C, Photographer
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Ottawa | ON | Canada | Posted: 2:03 PM on 12.18.03 |
->> Hi Bob, nice shots and great job watching your horizontal. Good job capturing the peak action.
My only suggestion would be tighter crops. |
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Jana C, Photographer
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Ottawa | ON | Canada | Posted: 2:09 PM on 12.18.03 |
| ->> Jacob, I had a quick look at your shots - my suggestion would be a faster shutter speed - for hockey you've got to shoot at last 1/400; 1/500 is ideal. I realize that when shooting in a cave getting a fast shutter speed is difficult, but I would try to move higher and not shoot through the glass which may buy some shutter speed. |
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Brian Light, Photographer
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Pennsville | NJ | USA | Posted: 2:16 PM on 12.18.03 |
| ->> Yeah... I found the same thing as well and don't like being behind the glass. I get up about 12 to 15 rows or so around center ice to the blue line to be sure that the higher panels of glass at each end of the ice don't obstruct the view to the net. I never shot through a hole in the glass but would imagine that would be fine too. Can't do it behind the goals anymore though with the nets back there. |
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Ed J. Szalajeski, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Yarmouth | ME | USA | Posted: 2:18 PM on 12.18.03 |
->> Bob
As you shoot, do not be afraid to shoot from low positions too, I just wanted to see more.
Last season I looked a many SS hockey shooters, and do not be afraid to shoot the Jubes/celebrations they are really great.
A spot I sometimes shoot from, is by the Zamboni, however you only get fewer chances to make keepers.
These are just opinions, and my advice might be wrong, but this is what I was told when I was submitting.
Image 7 Is very strong, you had a light surge.
aeros_admirals002.htm Too bad you could not have gotten the puck, nice vantage point for that type of action.
Image 3 (aeros_admirals003.htm) 2 choices, Crop out the offensive player, or crop out just above the offensive players head.
Image 4 (aeros_admirals004.htm) The scoop, might not use this one in favor of Image 3. Because a defense man is crowding the shoot, but you can see the goalies face which is a good thing for these kinds of shots.
aeros_admirals008.htm: I might crop some of the net out, and might look at 2 images from this on, one crop behind the goalies stick, and one crop just in front of the offensive player. Notice the eyes. Very good action, having the puck would have made it stronger.
aeros_admirals013.htm: (Goalie)Crop off the left slightly off the pipe(goalie foot), makes it a tighter shot.
aeros_admirals014.htm: Crop it a little tighter, remove the dead space at the top, right side and bottom. Nice body check image.
aeros_admirals028.htm Look at the Fans Reaction, two sets of them when you crop that one.
Nice improvements, keep shooting. Get more faces, and the players skating toward you.
Best regards
Ed J Szalajeski |
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Colin Corneau, Photographer
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Brandon | MB | Canada | Posted: 10:08 PM on 12.18.03 |
->> Bob,
I think there is a great improvement in these shots from the last batch. In the first batch, there wasn't one shot that wouldn't have benefitted from cropping/shooting tighter. And this second group of pics are a lot tighter.
I'm not sure if you are shooting differently or what, but I notice a lot better ratio of "peak moments" than in the first, also. I always try to shoot hockey with the puck in the frame (not always feasible or desireable, but as a rule) and these have that. Great peak moments.
Hockey has its own flow that you come to realize more as you spend more time on it, moments that lead up to a perfect peak shooting moment. I see it more because I shoot hockey the most of any sport, but it really seems you have gotten very adept at seeing the moment (and getting it). My compliments! |
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Nathan Pier, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Madison | WI | USA | Posted: 11:17 PM on 12.18.03 |
->> Looks good Bob.
shooting through glass (not through a hole in the glass) usually hurts the image. I would prefer to shoot through holes but we don't have any. I think the argument is that the holes make the glass weak. Because of this, I do most of my shooting from above with a 300mm @ f/2.8 ISO 800 and get shutter speeds of 400-640 depending on where the action is happening. It is really easy to get safe shots from above but I think that the best hockey action (but also the hardest to get) is often shot with the 80-200 or 70-200 on the same level as the players. You might also experiment with shooting a super wide angle to either side of the glass behind the goal focused on the glass to get some up close and personal board checking shots for something a little different. |
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Ed J. Szalajeski, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Yarmouth | ME | USA | Posted: 12:24 AM on 12.19.03 |
->> Bob
I too noticed a BIG difference in the two nights, great improvement.
As Colin said, it is a tough sport to get, and I for one am still working at it.
Best regards
Ed J Szalajeski |
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Brian Light, Photographer
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Pennsville | NJ | USA | Posted: 8:26 AM on 12.19.03 |
->> Shelly Castellano posted an image of a photo hole in LA to give those an idea about what they are. From TV some kind of look like people are hugging the glass as they are shooting through them.
http://www.sportsshooter.com/members.html?id=555 |
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Steven Cabana, Photographer
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Milpitas | CA | USA | Posted: 4:08 AM on 12.21.03 |
| ->> It would be nice if the holes were that high in San Jose. kneeling on cold hard ice hurts after a few minutes |
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Shelly Castellano, Photographer, Assistant
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Huntington Beach | CA | USA | Posted: 4:50 AM on 12.21.03 |
| ->> Hey Brian, Thanks for the update reference! I think its valuable to see and know how other arenas photographically work. I know that the NHL has tried to standardize lots of photo needs, but not every arena is up to par. In Anaheim, we are now up to the minimum requirements and after 8 years I personally have finally made myself a rolling stool to sit on. (My knees just are not as good as they used to be). From what I remember, its a similar set up to San Jose depending on where you are located. So, my suggestion is make the best of what you have and need to get the shot. The second shoot for Bob is much better, but shooting hockey takes time. As is playing just ask Sakic. (he had a sweet hat trick tonight in a tie vs LA) I can't remember when the last hat trick was in LA. Its always a treat! |
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Steven Cabana, Photographer
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Milpitas | CA | USA | Posted: 5:02 AM on 12.27.03 |
->> Shelly, San Jose isnt too bad, they finally put a shorter stool in one box for us. The other one is about one foot too high to be useful.
You have to crawl through a maze to get to one of the windows though. |
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