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A matter of archiving
Evan Parker, Student/Intern
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San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 7:51 PM on 11.20.02 |
->> After shooting a game, I usually have between 250 and 400 frames. About half of these are either out of focus or a completely missed moment, another quarter are just not great, and the final quarter are shots I might actually use, or at least look at again at another time. Instead of taking up huge amounts of space, I delete the three quarters I'll probably never use. Is this a common practice for anyone else? Most of the people I talk to keep everything, and think I'm a little crazy for deleting any of my images- they treat their digital files just like film negatives.
Any thoughts? |
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Thomas E. Witte, Photographer
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Cincinnati | OH | USA | Posted: 8:27 PM on 11.20.02 |
->> Yes, you're crazy.
Don't delete an image just because it's a missed moment. The Monica Lewinsky hug shot seems to come to mind here. You don't want to delete that many images because you just never know.
I had to fill in on night desk recently and we had to run this pathetic shot of a college football player for a sports cover story. The only shot they had was of his back as he's partially coverec by a teammate sacking a quarterback. I called the SID and asked if they had anything better and they (in slightly different words) said that they may have but since he was a third stringer it might have been deleted.
Sort of makes you wonder how many great photos are being accidentally nuked back into random 1's and 0's.
For my own needs and keeping things tidy around the office, I tend to only delete photos that are radically out of focus or where the only thing in the frame is refs ass. |
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Craig Hobson, Photographer
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Salinas | CA | | Posted: 9:34 PM on 11.20.02 |
->> Thomas,
Since you are keeping everything, are you still shooting in RAW, JPEG or RAW + JPEG? I have found I'm getting a few bad photos per game that can't be read because the RAW or the JPEG is corrupted with the 1D. Now I'm contemplating shooting RAW + JPEG large. |
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Ben Liu, Photographer, Student/Intern
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Union City | CA | USA | Posted: 9:53 PM on 11.20.02 |
| ->> Like Thomas, I also keep everything... these digital files are just as important as negatives. (What are those again? :-) ) There were times when I've had to go back and search for photos... and I've been lucky enough to have had that "unwanted photo" for another assignment. I shoot in JPEG because it's quality is high enough for me to use for all my photo needs. I haven't used RAW yet, but I might some day. |
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Andrew Malana, Photographer
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Tokyo | JP | Japan | Posted: 11:42 PM on 11.20.02 |
->> Evan...keep everything. Even the football shots that are soft or composition off, you can add special effects like blur, noise, stylize...etc. to 'save' them. Play around with Photoshop and you'll be amazed at some of the 'bad' really come out as 'keepers'.
Shaka, Drew |
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Rob Kerr, Photographer
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Bend | OR | US | Posted: 12:48 AM on 11.21.02 |
->> Around our paper we've generally decided that saving all digital to burned CD's takes up less space overall than our old packets of negatives and slides. With Photo Mechanic or iView Media Pro as our browser, it takes far less effort to review a game by a CD or two than folders of negatives, slides, a loupe and a light table.
Stacks of CD's will never take up the physical space of filing cabinets and folders.
Isn't it more time consuming, anyway, to edit out all the misses than to just burn the whole shoot to a CD right away?
my 2 cents,
-rob. |
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Thomas E. Witte, Photographer
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Cincinnati | OH | USA | Posted: 1:01 AM on 11.21.02 |
| ->> Knock on wood, but I've never had a corrupt file. Regardless, since I've only got two 512 cards right now, I shoot mostly in jpeg. There isn't enough time between quarters to download at a football game... With basketball season kicking up, I may end up downloading as I fill them up courtside or just end up getting more cards so that I can shoot in RAW. |
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Larry W. Smith, Photographer
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Valley Center | KS | USA | Posted: 11:30 AM on 11.21.02 |
| ->> Evan, I too keep everything burned to a CD to free up my hard drive, I am often surprised what images my clients will pick alot of the time it is not the shot I would want to use, this goes for the commercial clients I pick the shots for the newspapers I shoot for, I shoot jpeg for all my work, with no compliants yet. |
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Michael L. Palmieri, Photographer
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Story City | IA | USA | Posted: 12:35 PM on 11.21.02 |
| ->> At out paper, we also save just about everything and burn to CD. We will generally delete stuff that is unusably out of focus, but save just about every other frame. When the folders hit ~690 meg, we burn to CD and catalog. I would NEVER throw away negs, so I feel it is the same with digital. CDs are ever so cheap -- it makes sense to burn it all. |
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Eduardo Molina, Photographer
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Saint Louis | MO | USA | Posted: 1:02 PM on 11.21.02 |
| ->> First, I burn a cheap CD with all my images and then, with the selected images, I burn a "special" CD (expensive brand for archiving). I keep both but of course I don't want to take a chance with my good picks. Sometimes, I go back to the cheap CD and get one of those photos that I thought were bad and play with them in photoshop. Not all of the experiments are good but you get some good ones. I usually shoot using RAW because I never know when one of these "missing" shots might end up in a stock photo agency and I want to have a good resolution. |
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Paul W Gillespie, Photographer
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Glen Burnie | MD | USA | Posted: 1:09 PM on 11.21.02 |
->> When you guys archieve these images how do you search for them later. Is there a program that can seacrh for word in the ITPC data? I use Kodak PhotoDesk to process my images and send them to photoshop. I could Fillout some basic ITPC info in PD and assign it to all the images from a shoot, Then more details on the selects in PS but what program can search for these later?
BTW I save all my Kodak RAW files except the obviouly bad ones. They only take 1.9 megs each. |
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Darrell Scattergood, Photographer
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Mountlake Terrace | WA | usa | Posted: 7:00 PM on 11.21.02 |
->> michael reichmann has an interesting article on an archiving program that sounds real interesting, made by the same company as yarc. http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/software/archive-creator.shtml
I'm thinking of getting it as soon as they support dvd burning (which is supposed to be coming) |
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Michael L. Palmieri, Photographer
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Story City | IA | USA | Posted: 7:41 PM on 11.21.02 |
->> We use a simple system here at The Tribune. Essentially, each photog has his own RAW folder. In each folder there are sub folders -- one for each assignment. (EX: MLP NOV 2002 RAW 1 is my first raw folder. Inside of it are assignment folders -- EX: 11/21/02 FBC Iowa St v Neb). We make and fill the sub folders until the raw folder reaches ~ 690MB. It then gets burned to CD and a new folder MLP NOV 2002 RAW 2 is created. etc. etc.
Then, the CDs are stored in music-style CD cases usually holding 100+ CDs. We simply print off a list of the sub folders for each CD and place it inside the CD slot with the disc. Then, we can quickly see a list of the assignments on that CD. EX:
11/11 Ames Quiz bowl team
11/19 ISU dive fea
11/20 ISU Provost SMITH
11/21 Kearney band fea
etc.
Despite the fact that this post may be confusing as hell, the system works quite well for us.
--Michael |
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Stephen Lance Dennee, Photographer
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Paducah | KY | USA | Posted: 9:48 PM on 11.21.02 |
| ->> I delete stuff all the time that I shoot for my paper. But, there have been times that the librarian did not get a photo archived before it was erased and or published. Reshoot. My personal stuff I keep them all and burn a CD. I had at least 300 photos on one CD, cheaper than film for sure. It depends if you are worried about resale of an image or event. |
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Allen Murabayashi, Student/Intern
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New York | NY | USA | Posted: 2:57 PM on 11.22.02 |
| ->> as i former IT pro, i would also suggest keeping multiple copies. i have personally experienced multiple drive failures and CD degradation, which has led me to keep two copies of every photo i shoot. a simple solution is to mirror two hard drives together. 100GB drives are relatively cheap now, and it gives you the added benefit of having rapid access to your catalog. |
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Ed J. Szalajeski, Photographer
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Yarmouth | ME | USA | Posted: 3:41 PM on 11.22.02 |
->> Archive it, the images are History. Delete it, and you will not have that one record.
As other pointed out, Photoshop, with it's effect can make a really cool artsy print, out of a print where the focus was off.
What would be the specifications for an archive program? (maybe another thread).
Windows and Mac? Viewing thumb-nails or by image title? |
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Jeff Gabbard, Photographer
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Connersville | IN | USA | Posted: 6:39 PM on 11.22.02 |
->> Allen,
Just out of curiousity....is there one type of CD that is less prone to degradation than others? I reallly don't want to go for an image in 5 years and find that the CD is not accessable any more. Others have thoughts? |
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jeff hinds, Photographer
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Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 7:27 PM on 11.22.02 |
| ->> Keep everything! I usually copy the great images to a "portfolio" folder. As you go, burn the folder on other CD's if you might have extra space to fill up. Also, just like above, photoshop can "save" images you might think are blurry or worthless. Images can appear in focus when scaled down to thumbnial size! |
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