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Bin Laden is dead...
Steve Ueckert, Photographer
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Houston | TX | | Posted: 11:28 PM on 05.01.11 |
->> According to ABC News:
"Osama bin Laden Killed; ID Confirmed by DNA Testing"
How quickly can DNA testing be done? |
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David Welker, Photographer, Student/Intern
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Springfield | MO | USA | Posted: 11:35 PM on 05.01.11 |
->> Steve,
DNA confirmation can be achieved in roughly 24 hours, for certain tests, but tests like forensics tests take 3-4 days.
You would think that the government would wait to have the information confirmed. |
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Jack McCoy, Photographer
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Baldwin | NY | USA | Posted: 11:41 PM on 05.01.11 |
| ->> I want to say so much here but don't want to get the negative feedback...let's just say as a new yorker and incredibly proud american this is a ...well you know. |
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Michael Fischer, Photographer
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Spencer | Ia | USA | Posted: 12:27 AM on 05.02.11 |
->> Jack, we know. :)
David, you think they announced this before being sure? Really? Given the time zone difference, it could have been about 24 hours. You don't announce this without being sure.
A special thank you to our military and intelligence people for never giving up. |
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Nick Morris, Photographer
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Ethan Magoc, Student/Intern
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Brian Dowling, Photographer
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David Welker, Photographer, Student/Intern
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Springfield | MO | USA | Posted: 7:12 AM on 05.02.11 |
->> Michael,
Maybe I worded that incorrectly. I was not doubting that they hadnt had it confirmed, I was simply stating for some people who may believe that the tests could have been messed up that you would think that the government would have confirmed prior to releasing said information. |
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Martin McNeil, Photographer
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London | London | United Kingdom | Posted: 8:04 AM on 05.02.11 |
->> The most curious report to come out so far is the word that the body has been buried at sea already.
A quick check of Google Maps shows that Abbatobad is about 600 nautical miles from the closest coastal point in Pakistan.
To my mind, that's an awfully quick turnaround from confirmed kill > verified DNA test > burial at sea. |
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Craig Mitchelldyer, Photographer, Assistant
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Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 10:58 AM on 05.02.11 |
->> Martin, a blackhawk helicopter could probably cover 600+ miles rather swiftly...also, in the Presidents speech they mentioned something about keeping with Islamic laws of burying the body within 24 hours...
According to this AP story: http://www.kgw.com/news/Osama-bin-Laden-dead-121065164.html
"He was identified through computerized facial recognition technology. DNA test results were pending."
"the body would be handled according to Islamic practice and tradition. That practice calls for the body to be buried within 24 hours"
I am not much of a government conspiracy theorist, so I tend to believe the President would not make such an announcement if it where not true and they did not 100% believe they got the right guy.
I'd love to see a photo of his dead body though, not because I don't believe them, but just for me, I'd like to see it. |
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Steven Mullensky, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Port Townsend | WA. | USA | Posted: 12:18 PM on 05.02.11 |
->> Jack:
You don't have to be a New Yorker to have strong feelings about the death of bin Laden. I say "good riddance to bad rubbish." I'm glad they dumped his body at sea. It gives the fishes something to eat, provided they don't get indigestion, and it precludes an memorial set up for other lunatics to visit.
But it is sad that you or any member fears posting anything on this forum because of the possibility of negative feedback. I've read some of the flames and I can understand your hesitation. However, your opinion is your opinion and you have every right to express your thoughts here or anywhere. So, I say, Go for it! |
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Nic Coury, Photographer
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Monterey | CA | | Posted: 12:37 PM on 05.02.11 |
->> I'm glad to hear the US respected Islamic tradition and gave his body a respectful burial.
Regardless of the person, a proper burial is important. |
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David A. Cantor, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Jack McCoy, Photographer
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Baldwin | NY | USA | Posted: 1:11 PM on 05.02.11 |
->> Steven:
As I was screaming at the television when the first tower went down ten years ago and I couldn't get a hold of my wife who was a good two miles from WTC (she was never in danger but at the time one never knew) it was great news and relief to hear of last nights news. I personally had no friends or relatives who passed away on 9/11 but it hit me hard as I'm sure it did a lot of others. Has nothing to do with me being from NY I was just pointing that out. At first I didn't post that not wanting to possibly get into a debate with SS members. I have nothing profound to say or add just that it feels good and just a sense of relief to some degree. People use the word closure which to me is one of the stupidest words ever and it doesn't exist. My hat is off to all the men and women in the armed services....a job well done. |
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Tom Szczerbowski, Photographer
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London | ON | Canada | Posted: 1:16 PM on 05.02.11 |
->> "Regardless of the person, a proper burial is important."
You gotta be kidding, right ? |
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Greg Kendall-Ball, Photographer, Assistant
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Abilene | TX | USA | Posted: 1:28 PM on 05.02.11 |
->> @Tom:
You think defiling the body or not honoring the Islamic burial tradition would have been a better idea?
He's dead, not need to go pouring gasoline on a fire... |
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Paul Hayes, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Littleton | NH | USA | Posted: 1:32 PM on 05.02.11 |
->> Tom, have you not followed world politics the last 15 years? Not respecting Islamic cultures is, in part, what got us into this mess in the first place. If we can do anything to prevent fueling the fires more, we should. Taking out Bin Laden will only offend a small number of hard core, militant, ideologically strident Muslims. Needlessly offending other, more moderate Muslims with careless acts could make matters worse. There's no reason to be careless and give someone else an excuse to take up arms against the Western World.
Just my two cents. |
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Luke Johnson, Photographer, Student/Intern
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St.Petersburg | FL | USA | Posted: 1:40 PM on 05.02.11 |
| ->> Are we sure burying Bin Laden at sea is the best idea? Remember, we buried Megatron at sea too. |
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Tom Szczerbowski, Photographer
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London | ON | Canada | Posted: 1:53 PM on 05.02.11 |
->> Paul,
Looks like you've been living with blinders on for a couple of decades -- bin Laden has said himself on multiple occasions that the United States' defense of Israel coupled with America's presence in Saudi Arabia following the Gulf War were the fuel for his fanatical crusade. Read his pronouncements and do some research.
And you tell us it was "not respecting Islamic cultures" that lit the fire "in the first place" ? Are you just plain ignorant or hopelessly uninformed ???
Either way, nice try. Historical revisionism may fool some people, but not all of us. |
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Bryan Kaisk, Photographer
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Copley | OH | United States | Posted: 2:32 PM on 05.02.11 |
| ->> Although I'm one to never be ecstatic when it comes to death, I definitely was able to take a sigh of relief last night. In my opinion, there will never be full closure on what happened to innocent Americans because of this man and his followers. But it will at least give those families who spent the last ten years wondering whether or not we would finally get him a sense of pride in that our government will NEVER give up on justice no matter of the cost. Being one of many who joined the military because of the events on 9/11, I can finally say that my time was served well and the mission is now complete. |
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Chris Morrison, Photographer, Assistant
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Kent Nishimura, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Honolulu | HI | USA | Posted: 2:52 PM on 05.02.11 |
| ->> Ethan, loving that image by Michael Appleton for The New York Times. |
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Jamey Price, Photographer, Assistant
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Charlotte | NC | USA | Posted: 2:56 PM on 05.02.11 |
->> I'm pretty sick of seeing all kinds of comments regarding people celebrating the death of Bin Laden and how that is morally and ethically wrong....
In my opinion we as a country are not necessarily rejoicing the death of a man. We are celebrating the fact that an evil human being was brought to justice. It just so happens that his choice of punishment (by not surrendering) was a bullet to the head. End of story.
And burial at sea was the last resort it sounds like. From what I hear, we offered the body to several countries and no one wanted it. So fish food was the best remaining option! |
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Jim Colburn, Photo Editor, Photographer
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McAllen | TX | USA | Posted: 3:47 PM on 05.02.11 |
->> "...we buried Megatron at sea too..."
How did that turn out? |
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David Dermer, Photographer
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Cortland | Oh | 44410 | Posted: 3:56 PM on 05.02.11 |
| ->> @Jim..... Thanks for the Transfomers reference!!!! Autobots Rollout! |
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Sebastian Widmann, Photographer
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Munich | Bavaria | Germany | Posted: 4:17 PM on 05.02.11 |
| ->> "I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that" ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. |
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Jack McCoy, Photographer
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Baldwin | NY | USA | Posted: 4:50 PM on 05.02.11 |
| ->> Even though your paraphrasing MLK Jr., It's not a matter of rejoicing Sebastian. I wouldn't exactly call it darkness driving out darkness either. |
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Butch Miller, Photographer
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Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 4:54 PM on 05.02.11 |
->> "Bin Laden is dead... "
Good ... not rejoicing ... just acknowledging he's finally no longer among the living ... there is a difference between revenge and justice ... as there is hate and love ... |
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Steven Mullensky, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Port Townsend | WA. | USA | Posted: 4:57 PM on 05.02.11 |
| ->> Amen, Brother Butch. |
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Paul Hayes, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Littleton | NH | USA | Posted: 6:12 PM on 05.02.11 |
->> Tom, Bin Laden was steeped in wahhabism, shaped by radical Saudi Islamists and became influential during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. There was no reaching him.
However, there were plenty of others who sat on the fence. And when America made perceived mis-steps they gravitated towards radical Muslim political thought and organizations such as Al Qaeda.
I'm not saying burying Bin Laden in accordance with Islamic law will make everything hunky dory. Or turn Al Qaeda into the Peace Corps. However it couldn't hurt to show more moderate Muslims that we do, in fact, give a damn about their religion. |
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Garrett Hubbard, Photographer
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Washington | D.C. | USA | Posted: 7:21 PM on 05.02.11 |
->> Tom:
I'm with Nic on this. I think your comment about a proper burial is ridiculous. It is prudent to be respectful no matter how evil the man. There is no reason to stir up some more wrath from terrorists or would-be terrorists. |
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Michael Troutman, Photographer
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Josh Peckler, Photographer
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Nick Morris, Photographer
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San Diego | CA | USA | Posted: 9:02 PM on 05.02.11 |
->> "I understand those who feel that joy is not an appropriate or civilized thing to feel right now. As a Christian I am asked to pray for the soul of Osama bin Laden, not to celebrate his death. And this prayer I have spoken as I am bound to. But this is also true: the joy will not leave me either and I am not ashamed in the slightest.
In fact, the only sane thing to feel right now, I think, is both great sorrow and great joy.
The reason for the sorrow is obvious: that this one figure was capable of inflicting so much pain on so many people, that he distorted so many minds and souls, that he killed so many human beings. And that he did it all in the name of God.
The reason for the joy is actually less obvious. It is, at its best, I think, not vengeance or relief - although they are within us all, at various levels of suppression. The joy comes because somewhere wr feel for the first time in so long that this hideous, bungled, tortuous, torture-filled decade of war and mass murder might, after all, have some smidgen of emotional closure, some sliver of justice in its long arc, some core thread leading to something we can call victory.
I think especially of all those young Americans who, on September 12 2001, woke up and decided to serve their country in her hour of need. I think of all those who signed up for war because of 9/11. And let's face it. They did not sign up because they wanted to re-shape the Middle East, or bring democracy to Iraq, or to bribe Hamid Karzai.
They signed up to find, capture, or kill Osama bin Laden.
They signed up to attack everything he represents.
It gives bin Laden too much credit to say he made them soldiers. But they became soldiers because of his crime and what he had done to the country they loved.
Many of them were cheering last night. But many were not alive to do so. I think particularly of those men and women now. They died in battle not knowing that America would eventually, finally find this murderer, and bring him to justice. Imagine telling them now, as if they were still alive, "We got him! We got bin Laden!" Imagine the look on their faces. Imagine what you see in their eyes.
And then look at their faces as you also tell them that it was done by Navy SEALS, in a gun-battle, where bin Laden was given the option of surrender, and refused. And then we ensured that his funeral was a dignified one, in accordance with the protocols of Islam.
Which is to say to our heroes: You did not die in vain. And your comrades finished the job.
And who can not feel joy at that?" Andrew Sullivan The Dish |
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Israel Shirk, Photographer, Assistant
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Boise | ID | US | Posted: 9:08 PM on 05.02.11 |
| ->> I'm glad it's over. Hopefully it'll be a big step in bringing our boys back home. |
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Sam Santilli, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Philippi | WV | USA | Posted: 9:24 PM on 05.02.11 |
->> Sebastian, MLKJr was not referring to a war situation.
And for the "proper burial" folks, the USA offered several other countries the corpse, but no one wanted it. There is nothong we can do right in the eyes of some terrorists. I for one will not apoligise for a war action that will save lives in the long run. Were all of the attempts on Hitler's life wrong? Would "love" have stopped Hitler? |
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Alexander Pylyshyn, Photographer, Student/Intern
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Newmarket | ON | Canada | Posted: 3:00 AM on 05.03.11 |
->> I had a bit of an ill feeling in my stomach when I heard that people were setting off fireworks and parading around celebrating this with euphoria...
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/05/02/osama_and_chants_of_...
This article best describes my feelings on the matter. This is a moment of catharsis and closure. Not celebration.
A family of someone who has been murdered doesn't throw a party when the killer is finally executed on death row...
Just my two cents. |
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Mark J. Terrill, Photographer
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Simi Valley | CA | USA | Posted: 7:02 AM on 05.03.11 |
->> Sebastian,
MLK never said that. Please don't take what you read on Twitter or Facebook and regurgitate it here without trying the check the facts first. Sorry, but this sort of thing infuriates the journalist in me. Here is what he did say.
"Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that. ... The chain reaction of evil—hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars—must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation." -Martin Luther King Jr.,
I said this in another thread and I'll say it here; Can we please get back to a subject that is remotely related to this site? |
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Mark J. Terrill, Photographer
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Simi Valley | CA | USA | Posted: 7:10 AM on 05.03.11 |
->> Sebastian,
I think it's worth pointing out that while much of your quote is correct, it's the first line ("I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy") that he never said. |
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Radu Rosca, Photographer
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Tirgu Mures | MS | Romania | Posted: 7:28 AM on 05.03.11 |
->> "We killed Bin Laden but we quickly buried him into the sea before looking into more evidence, because we respect the islam culture. We have no official footage or images of him dead, but here's a photoshopped image of how he might have looked after we shot him.
The White House"
That's good enough for me. |
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Jack McCoy, Photographer
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Baldwin | NY | USA | Posted: 7:29 AM on 05.03.11 |
| ->> Well Mark then I guess I am to blame for starting this thread. It would have been started regardless if I hadn't. At least I wasn't asking people if they wore boxers or briefs asking about sports fantasy football leagues what they liked better x-box or playstation. There first car etc...all threads to some degree that have been on here and threads I just chose to ignore (not to mention I rarely post on here anyway). Good news is 8 more replies and the thread is over. |
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Mark J. Terrill, Photographer
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Simi Valley | CA | USA | Posted: 7:33 AM on 05.03.11 |
->> Jack,
You forgot "What's your favorite doughnut?" (-: |
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Sebastian Widmann, Photographer
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Munich | Bavaria | Germany | Posted: 8:23 AM on 05.03.11 |
->> Dear Mark,
thank you for correcting me. I did google it and tried to verify the quote, I guess I should have dug deeper. Thank you! |
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Mark Sutton, Photographer
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Herndon | VA | USA | Posted: 9:43 AM on 05.03.11 |
->> "I said this in another thread and I'll say it here; Can we please get back to a subject that is remotely related to this site?"
This thread needs to hit 50 soon and all the related ones too. Geez!!! |
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Kirby Yau, Photographer, Assistant
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San Diego | CA | USA | Posted: 10:46 AM on 05.03.11 |
->> Wow, I can't believe I'm saying this, but I kind of miss the talk surrounding the Royal Wedding. ;)
Pete Souza, great job on capturing the mood in the situation room and the moments following it, you are awesome. |
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
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Princeton | IN | USA | Posted: 11:31 AM on 05.03.11 |
->> I am happy that bin Laden has been removed as a threat and he has now paid for his crimes of 9/11.
I personally believe all of this celebrating, flag waving and parties is unnecessary and frankly in a lot of ways, despicable. A simple nod of the head, perhaps the thought, "mission accomplished" is more along the lines of what we should be feeling, because rest assured, those people over in the Middle East are not going to go away. |
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John Germ, Photographer
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Wadsworth | Oh | USA | Posted: 12:08 PM on 05.03.11 |
| ->> Jeff - I agree with you as a person who didn't lose a loved one in the 9/11 attacks or the wars that resulted from those attacks. For anyone who has lost a loved one, it's not my place or anyone else' to tell them how they should behave. So I think your assessment applies to those doing the celebrating etc who didn't lose anyone. But having been fortunate enough to never lose a loved one due to the murderous intentions of another I just can't say one way or the other what is "appropriate" vs. "inappropriate" when the perpetrator of the murder is killed. |
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Sam Morris, Photographer
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Henderson (Las Vegas) | NV | USA | Posted: 12:26 PM on 05.03.11 |
| ->> Fin. |
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