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Well, how about THIS edited image?
Bob Nichols, Photographer
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Tipton | IN | USA | Posted: 8:48 PM on 04.02.11 |
->> Now that the other "edited photo" thread is over, (I think) how about thoughts on this newspaper photo?
http://tinyurl.com/429mtqw
Here is the original photo with a scanned copy from the newspaper.
www.sportsshooter.com/rlnichols/changedphoto/
Not counting the crop and removal of man on the left, I have found 3 major changes:
1. Hands off dummy in middle.
2. Red "blood" on dummy changes color.
3. Most of yellow pipes removed from behind subjects.
Any other changes you can find? |
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor
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San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 8:56 PM on 04.02.11 |
->> Not only that, their anti-spam mechanism isn't working, so you can't post comments.
--Mark |
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David Butler II, Photographer
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Somers | CT | USA | Posted: 9:01 PM on 04.02.11 |
| ->> white line on the building removed :-) |
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David Butler II, Photographer
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Somers | CT | USA | Posted: 9:03 PM on 04.02.11 |
| ->> grass looks freshly manicured :-) |
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Andrew Nelles, Photographer
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Chicago | IL | usa | Posted: 9:05 PM on 04.02.11 |
| ->> I noticed it says contributed photo, perhaps whoever gave it to the paper had modified it? |
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David Butler II, Photographer
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Somers | CT | USA | Posted: 9:09 PM on 04.02.11 |
->> The guy 2nd from the right looks like his eyes were liquified open and his mouth turned to a smile... :-) could be the scan...
last post I promise.. |
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Bob Nichols, Photographer
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Tipton | IN | USA | Posted: 9:25 PM on 04.02.11 |
->> The guy in the center front with the shades was the submitter. He told me that the newspaper made the changes.
The young man front left with the red hat is my son. The submitter is one of his college professors. That is how I found out about the photo in the first place and got a copy of the original photo. |
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Andrew Nelles, Photographer
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Chicago | IL | usa | Posted: 9:31 PM on 04.02.11 |
| ->> That is very troubling. |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 9:32 PM on 04.02.11 |
| ->> Well, it's not a shooter who made the changes. Exactly what is your point? There is a history of small newspapers doing crap like this. Remember the West Virginia photo from a couple of years ago. This is about 180 degrees different than misinformed members who think they are some kind of experts calling out a photojournalist. It's a group shot SUBMITTED...trying to see how you equate this with the other thread... |
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Dianna Russell, Photographer
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Springfield | MO | USA | Posted: 9:38 PM on 04.02.11 |
| ->> This is like one of those "find the differences" games. The hands holding the target are gone. |
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Bob Nichols, Photographer
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Tipton | IN | USA | Posted: 9:58 PM on 04.02.11 |
->> I didn't know people would give a pass to a newspaper changing a photo but not a photographer. In my book they are both wrong.
The other thread started out as an edited photo that was not edited. I think this example is a little more conclusive that a newspaper photo was edited.
Do you feel that since this was a posed, submitted photo this is more like a portrait or advertising photo where anything goes and not a news photo where changes are off-limits? |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 10:27 PM on 04.02.11 |
| ->> Well, here we go again. Bob, did you email anyone at the paper to find out what was up? Probably not. Not giving the paper a pass but what the hell is wrong with some of you people just accusing "photo misconduct" without getting some information first. Personally this is one of the things that's starting to disgust me on this site. Any yahoo with a point and shoot and limited skills thinks it's okay to hammer a newspaper, photojournalist over their perceived skill level. How about before you people flaming and trying to ruin reputations you make some inquiries. It's not professional. This is SUPPOSED to be a site for PROFESSIONALS. Try and act like one. |
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Mike Anzaldi, Photographer
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Oak Park | IL | USA | Posted: 11:27 PM on 04.02.11 |
->> THAT'S the liddy i know.
you're back on the christmas list buddy! |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 11:31 PM on 04.02.11 |
| ->> thanks mikey, workin' harder for the anzaldi! 8) |
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Mike Anzaldi, Photographer
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Oak Park | IL | USA | Posted: 11:42 PM on 04.02.11 |
->> Bah!
i got so caught up on the 'super-tele haze thread' that i missed the far more interesting image-manipulation smack-downs. |
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David Minton, Photographer, Student/Intern
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Denton | TX | USA | Posted: 2:41 AM on 04.03.11 |
| ->> I wanna buy Chuck a drink soo bad... |
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Eric Isaacs, Photographer, Assistant
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Santa Barbara | CA | USA | Posted: 3:06 AM on 04.03.11 |
->> Mr. Nichols says: "The guy in the center front with the shades was the submitter. He told me that the newspaper made the changes.
The young man front left with the red hat is my son. The submitter is one of his college professors. That is how I found out about the photo in the first place and got a copy of the original photo."
That sounds close enough to an inquiry to me. Mr. Liddy, your post sounds more flame-like than the OP. I appreciate much of your contribution to SS.com but feel your aggressive responses are as unprofessional as you accuse others of being. |
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Bob Nichols, Photographer
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Tipton | IN | USA | Posted: 8:45 AM on 04.03.11 |
->> For the record, I did not post on the "Heavy handed edit at NY Times" thread. What did I do? I read the responses and I e-mailed Laura Segall to get her response to the comments. She thanked me for contacting her and she responded to her critics right away.
The photo that I questioned was given to me by my son because he knows I have preached no digital manipulation in news photos. He was surprised at the changes that had been made. I contacted his professor BEFORE posting the images. I could have contacted the newspaper, but didn't feel that would add anything. I was confident that the submitter was telling me the truth and the photo was altered after it reached the paper.
Chuck, from you post on the other thread where you said - "and let's be clear, pretty much everyone knows my stand on ethics and digital manipulation" I am surprised at your attack on me for posting the images. I don't think manipulation should be done by the photographer or the newspaper.
Anyone want to give their opinion on a question I asked earlier in this thread? "Do you feel that since this was a posed, submitted photo this is more like a portrait or advertising photo where anything goes and not a news photo where changes are off-limits?" |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 9:29 AM on 04.03.11 |
| ->> Bob, sorry if the tone came of as rude to you. I realize that you didn't post on the other thread but it just seemed you were alluding to the same kind of thing. I just thought this was comparing apples and oranges. This paper has a circulation of 6000, I can't even find a staff listing on the website (which btw includes about 10 other newspapers) I would think they have folks in their shop who don't have any idea about photo ethics in journalism (obviously if they manipulated the photo as they did). Who knows what they were thinking. Maybe as Diane said above they were attempting to replicate that old video game where you had two photos and picked out the mistakes and scored points for every one you found. It is a very curious situation. I remember the response of the editor and general manager of the west virginia paper that got caught up in that huge manipulation scandal during the election....neither of them thought they did anything wrong by removing the democratic candidate from an awards photo....this looks to be the same kind of thing, done purely out of ignorance. My apologies to any sensitive SS members out there who took offense. |
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