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Robert Scheer, Photographer
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Indianapolis | IN | USA | Posted: 2:34 PM on 02.25.11 |
->> So, one of my side projects is roller derby photography. My wife skates, which makes me her league's photographer. I do the work pro bono, as all their volunteers do, and retain the rights to all of my work and have final say on how they use it.
I participate in a couple of roller derby photographer forums. Some are newbie GWCs, a few are pros, most fall in between.
Anyway, an upcoming tournament (in Washington State) has been asking photographers, including official league-based ones, to do a couple of things:
1. Pay them $40 for the right to photograph their team in the tournement. Under pressure, they've changed this policy to apply only to unattached GWCs, not team photographers.
2. (this the good one) The tournament organizers are asking all photographers (including the official team photographers) to grant them automatic commercial rights to their work (I haven't seen the specific language).
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Curiously, some photographers appear to be signing over their rights to photograph the tourney.
I don't recall ever having seen something like this, and I chalk it up to organizers who don't know WTF they're doing.
Anybody seen monkey business of this nature before? How did you deal with it?
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Eric Canha, Photographer
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Brockton | MA | United States | Posted: 2:42 PM on 02.25.11 |
| ->> Robert how do you sign over rights that YOU YOURSELF don't have? That's how I've dealt with it in the past. I don't have COMMERCIAL rights to tournament photos because I don't have releases for the people or products or TM/SM in the photos. Usually that ends the argument. |
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Brian Dowling, Photographer
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Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 3:34 PM on 02.25.11 |
| ->> Charleston Fashion Week told photographers to send in a cd of all their images after the runway shows. I've never shot the event, but read it on their website. Pretty insane! |
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Robert Scheer, Photographer
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Indianapolis | IN | USA | Posted: 4:09 PM on 02.25.11 |
| ->> Eric, absolutely! I'm unclear if the organizers expect the photographers to round up model/property releases as part of the "deal" Pretty wacky. |
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Mark Peters, Photographer
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Highland | IL | USA | Posted: 4:12 PM on 02.25.11 |
| ->> I seem to recall a thread about a year or two ago of an event organizer (Australian perhaps?) that not only was grabbing rights but was actually telling the outlets they then had to license their own work back from the organizer. I'm not having any luck finding the thread. |
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Robert Scheer, Photographer
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Indianapolis | IN | USA | Posted: 5:22 PM on 02.25.11 |
->> Update on the form that all photographers are expected to sign (some are):
The exact language of the agreement is: "Images take at Slaughter County events may be used (with proper credit given) to advertise future events, to thank sponsors in advertisements and reports, or in other published media covering said event. I hereby grant Slaughter County Roller Vixens, LLC the right to use and incorporate (alone or together with other materials), in whole or in part, photographs or video footage taken as a result of your participation in said Slaughter County Event." |
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Michael Granse, Photographer
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Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 5:43 PM on 02.25.11 |
->> Why would someone pay to photograph roller derby (or hockey, or football, or baseball, or any other sport as I am not deliberately singling out roller derby)?
This seems like freelance photography in reverse. |
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Mark Peters, Photographer
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Highland | IL | USA | Posted: 7:32 PM on 02.25.11 |
->> Robert -
I located the thread.
The original topic was the Australian cricket association trying to charge media outlets for the right to distribute editorial content ($10,000 was the fee mentioned).
Later, the example I was thinking of was mentioned, whereby a New Zealand drifting organizer would "sell back" images to the news organization which took them.
http://www.sportsshooter.com/message_display.html?tid=27092 |
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Robert Scheer, Photographer
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Clark Brooks, Photo Editor, Photographer
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Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 7:27 PM on 03.01.11 |
->> "Why would someone pay to photograph roller derby (or hockey, or football, or baseball, or any other sport as I am not deliberately singling out roller derby)? "
Michael: That exactly what event photographers do who give/donate/kick back a percent of sales derived from shooting roller derby, football, table tennis or any other sports. So that practice is not uncommon.
Robert wrote: "I chalk it up to organizers who don't know WTF they're doing."
The organizers know exactly what they are doing. They are getting a lot for absolutely nothing. In charging a fee they are looking at their ability to grant photo access as a revenue stream. They and any organization that ask photographers/media to sign such agreements are preying on the uneducated, primarily PWCs and those photographers who lack the sophistication to understand or could care less the rights the transfer when they sign the agreement. The focused only on taking photos of 'their team'. So there will be many who sign because they are willing sacrifice some or all of their right to 'be there'. |
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Robert Scheer, Photographer
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Indianapolis | IN | USA | Posted: 7:42 PM on 03.01.11 |
| ->> Clark, perhaps, perhaps not. As the typos would indicate, the Board of Directors for that roller derby league is not a polished bunch. I don't turn a lot of freelance, but I am learned enough to know that such an agreement is unusual to say the least. Still, there are plenty of PWCs who are foolish enough to sign it, and the league in question is admitting as much. Plus, it looks like the agreement does not make an exception for legitimate media who might want to cover the event. I'd love to see the look on a Seattle Times photog's face, who would be presented with the form, if they choose to send a coverage team at all. . . |
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Andrew Fielding, Photographer, Student/Intern
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Denver | CO | USA | Posted: 11:31 PM on 03.01.11 |
| ->> Looks like Slaughter County slaughtered their lawyer because this is ridiculous. |
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