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? multiple flashes per second from different strobes?
Peter Buehner, Photographer
Orono | ME | USA | Posted: 6:15 AM on 12.16.10
->> I have a group on flickr and someone posted this question. I don't have an answer but figured if anyone would it would be this crew:
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Does anyone know of a piece of gear that would allow me to shoot sequentially from a bank of strobes?

I'm needing to fire multiple times per second which is cooking my white lightnings, even on minimum power (which is not strong enough). I have Einstein 640's on order, but even these will need to be in a bank of 2 or 3.

I have a bit of electronics somebody made for me into which you can plug up to 8 strobes then fire them all at once, or one after the other on a one strobe per shot basis.

It's more than a bit flaky and getting a redesign is highly unlikely. I've had a good search online to look for some commercial gear that would do this without joy - does anyone know of anything that would do this?
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Here is why he needs this ability:
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Hi Peter, not a SportsShooter member but happy for you to ask on my behalf there.

I look after the photography solutions for a company that runs a luge cart attraction at several sites around the world. I'm rebuilding the system used as the existing doesn't handle flash well at all (the homemade circuit board I was referring to). The part of the system I want to use these on is automated photos of people coming down the tracks on the carts (D90 using a laser tripwire to trigger). The tracks can be very heavily used (the Singapore site gets over 1 million people through per year) with clusters of people coming through at a rate of up to 3 or 4 per second in bursts, 1000 per hour in peak times, hence the need to spread the load over several strobes.
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Any thoughts? You could reply here for the benefit of everyone here or directly to the thread
http://www.flickr.com/groups/strobistforsports/discuss/72157625600699512/

thanks
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Matt Cashore, Photographer
South Bend | IN | USA | Posted: 7:34 AM on 12.16.10
->> PW MulitMax speedcycle function will accomplish this, but it's expensive (you'd have to have at least 5 MMs) and it appears that your max number of strobes is four.
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Bob Nichols, Photographer
Tipton | IN | USA | Posted: 8:08 AM on 12.16.10
->> I found this article where they achieved 40 fps with strobes - but it was with 4 cameras.

http://tinyurl.com/2a66osl

It was linked from the Strobist website.
http://strobist.blogspot.com/

I would search that website for more information, especially its Discussion Threads.

Bob
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Sam Santilli, Photographer, Photo Editor
Philippi | WV | USA | Posted: 8:10 AM on 12.16.10
->> "Hi Peter, not a SportsShooter member but happy for you to ask on my behalf there."

Hey Peter, his next question costs him $25.

SB-800 has the "RPT" Mode. A bank of them could be placed on PW's.
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Tom Ewart, Photographer
Bentonville | AR | USA | Posted: 8:35 AM on 12.16.10
->> I Would second the Mult-Max route, I use that set up for events with 3-4 set of lights when I need fast recycles. And Matt is Correct the max on the standard Multi Max set up is 4. And LPA Design's Wave Sensor is a good triggering device with a laser sensor or sound used to fire a camera. It's a good product as well, can you tell I'm a fan of LPA.
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Charley Starr, Photographer, Photo Editor
Ketchikan | AK | USA | Posted: 12:41 PM on 12.16.10
->> Check out the Mumford Time Machine with the flash sequencer accessory. It might be what you're looking for....
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Mediobarco Fotógrafo, Photographer
Madrid | Madrid | Spain | Posted: 1:57 PM on 12.16.10
->> Look at this
http://www.profoto.com/kelly-kline-pro-8a-air

Actually I´m working in a similar project (30fps)
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Peter Buehner, Photographer
Orono | ME | USA | Posted: 4:41 PM on 12.16.10
->> On his behalf, thanks for all the replies.
Sam...good point and a great suggestion I am passing on to him.

Peter
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John OHara, Photographer
Petaluma | Ca | United States | Posted: 9:48 PM on 12.20.10
->> Balcar Mono bloc II's they are old but they are good. 3/10 sec recycle or you can use many Multiblitz recievers and lots of strobes. I have three mono blocs two going back to 1974 and they are still going.
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor
San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 3:12 AM on 12.21.10
->> Bruce Dale shot a multi-strobe exposure of a single kernel of corn popping. It's Nat Geo stock number 404205. He probably used his Dale Beam device (or its predecessor) to trigger them microseconds apart.

http://www.nationalgeographicstock.com/ngsimages/explore/explore.jsf

--Mark
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor
San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 3:18 AM on 12.21.10
->> Direct link:
http://www.nationalgeographicstock.com/comp/04/106/404205.jpg
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Max Simbron, Photographer, Assistant
Phoenix | AZ | USA | Posted: 11:29 AM on 12.21.10
->> I would use MM's speedcycled, with a bank of lights connected to each MM via a splitter. This gives you a few advantages

First, the power is distributed to multiple lights per exposure. instead of one light at say 300ws going off every 4 seconds (say 1 light per bank, 4 banks cycling every second...), you can have 2 lights at 150, 3 at 100, 4 at 75, etc. This puts less stress on each light per pop.

Second, with each of the banks holding say 2-4 lights, if one light were to go out, you would still get a shot, perhaps underexposed, but by no more than half a stop.

Also, if each splitter had an extra outlet, you could always plug in a light to replace another without having to take the system offline.

So each Multimax would be its own zone (A,B,C,D), and each zone would have a bank of 2-4 lights say...

I've used a Belkin Rockstar (its an audio splitter) before, and it works, though for something like this, I wonder if you could find or make something a bit more pro.

As for the trigger, That wave sensor sounds great, but another alternative is CameraAxe. It's pretty nifty.
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