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Calling all NHL photogs...
Matt Cashore, Photographer
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South Bend | IN | USA | Posted: 6:10 PM on 11.03.10 |
->> Hi-
Notre Dame is building a new hockey arena and I am hoping to have camera ports installed in the glass. I need to show the architects some examples of what I'm talking about, but I've never shot NHL hockey and don't have any firsthand knowledge of exactly how this works. If you routinely shoot at an ice arena with camera ports, would you be so kind as to photograph the setup and send me a photo? I need to show how large the opening is, and how it can be secured so that fans are not in the line of fire if a photog isn't there.
You can email me at mcashore@nd.edu or via my member page.
Much appreciated. |
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Dennis Wierzbicki, Photographer
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Plainfield | IL | USA | Posted: 9:35 PM on 11.03.10 |
->> Matt,
I'll email you a photo of the "old" holes from the United Center. I believe they replaced the glass during the off season and the new holes seem the same as the old ones, but I'm not sure.
Here's another thread from SS:
http://www.sportsshooter.com/message_display.html?tid=15569
Not sure how current this instruction is, but here's what the thread above says:
"The camera holes in the glass must be 6 1/2" wide x 5 1/2" in vertical length, with a 1 5/8" radius on all corners. All edges are to be polished and beveled. The bottom of each camera hole is to be a maximum of 5" above the top of the top sill (where the board connects to the glass). The outside of the camera hole is to be not less then 4" from the side of the shielding." |
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Mike Janes, Photographer
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Attica | NY | USA | Posted: 12:35 AM on 11.04.10 |
| ->> Talking with the local AHL team it was just about paying for the glass that comes with the hole already pre-cut, the set up seems to be leaving room for you, which the NHL team here did not leave much room for people, the cut outs at just at the end of the isle and very uncomfortable...so ask for room! |
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Ed Mulholland, Photographer
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Pompton Lakes | NJ | USA | Posted: 4:25 PM on 11.05.10 |
->> This will give you a quick look at one in reference to the players. This is at the Prudential Center, I'll snap off a quick one tonight to show you the area in the corner...
http://bit.ly/cRSOvf |
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Dennis Wierzbicki, Photographer
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Melissa Wade, Photographer
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Boston | MA | USA | Posted: 1:00 AM on 11.07.10 |
->> Covering the holes - keep it simple, a couple pieces of velcro tape on the glass, a couple pieces of velcro tape on the cover. No need for the extra stuff especially the key locks they installed in Saskatoon which is not only the most ridiculous covers I've ever seen, but also gets in photographer's way and weakens the glass since it required drilling holes to attach (not to mention cost them more $$s).
Size - should fit 300 2.8 with a little leeway. The holes that only fit a 70-200 straight on are a PITA.
Placement - a rink here in Boston added holes this year - Hooray? not so much. They placed them well back of the goal line so that you can't actually get the goal - just the crease area. Also tight to a 70-200 so you can't get any other action around you. Basically a set of 4 useless holes. Such an insane waste. (Exact placement depends on the shape of the rink other than on the goal lines). The corners can be shaped quite differently. The more awkward, the larger the hole to allow a bit of turning so not just shooting perpindicular to the glass.
Not sure how this is the architect's concern unless you are actually able to influence the seating layout. Lots of rinks do smush the photographers up close to the fans. Not fair to them and not helpful to us. If you are able to influence a little bit, how the last step/rail/etc. is placed can be helpful to photographers without inconveniencing fans, reducing seats, etc. Someone is going to be kneeling or sitting on a crate/stool there and space is needed. Some rinks are pretty awkward with that as well as the whole in-a-fan's-lap thing. |
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Melissa Wade, Photographer
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Boston | MA | USA | Posted: 1:06 AM on 11.07.10 |
->> One other thing, if they are going to be low to the dashers, remember they need to be up enough for a hand to comfortably fit under the lens, not to mention if wide on the fan side, you need to actually be able to use your camera as opposed to it being blocked by the lip.
I have small hands, but there are some rinks out there that I can barely get my hand under the lens to properly support/zoom/etc. while using the hole. |
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Melissa Wade, Photographer
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Boston | MA | USA | Posted: 1:15 AM on 11.07.10 |
->> Final note, since you are talking to the architects - try to get an open space for shooting between the benches (or no glass on the penalty boxes, but if they currently have glass, you'll never get that removed). Even better, open photo box with electrical so you can just have your laptop in there with you and not have to deal w/ battery life. Rink can require a waiver, liability insurance even a helmet if necessary to make them comfortable with an open space. I love open space. Monday, Tuesday & Wednesday of this past week I lucked out and had an open penalty box at 3 different colleges.
(Most open spaces are reached via one of the benches, occasionally there is no door and you just have to climb over the dasher.) |
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Dennis Wierzbicki, Photographer
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Plainfield | IL | USA | Posted: 10:17 AM on 11.08.10 |
->> Matt,
Created a new gallery at:
http://www.sportsshooter.com/dmwierz/photo_hole/
Updated the sketch and took several images to detail the photo hole. I including a shot of the slot where the cover is stored when off of the glass (the last one of the gallery).
Hopefully this is enough detail to allow you to go to your Facilities folks and work things out. Let me know if there's anything else you need. |
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Matt Cashore, Photographer
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South Bend | IN | USA | Posted: 10:59 AM on 11.08.10 |
->> Thanks to everyone who's responded here and via email. I think I have enough to show the University Architect's office. I was surprised to see such a wide variety of solutions--I assumed there was a set NHL standard but clearly there's not.
About 15-ish years ago ND cut holes in the corners at my request, but insisted that they be smaller than the diameter of a puck. Only the smallest lenses (52mm front element) could fit through. Mostly useless so they abandoned that idea. Currently there is a shooting space at ice level between the benches that I use when not bumped by TV. The only bad part of that is that the offense always has their back to me.
Thanks again everyone... |
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Dennis Wierzbicki, Photographer
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Plainfield | IL | USA | Posted: 11:21 AM on 11.08.10 |
->> Matt,
FWIW, I have found I rarely stick my entire lens through the hole, and in practice the 5.5x6.5 size is large enough for everything up to a 300 f/2.8 lens. Even a 400 can work, though you can get some odd vignetting on the images
The SS discussion I linked to early in this thread mentioned something called the "NHL Media Guide" that contains the rules for holes in the glass, but try as I might, I couldn't find anything. I've also run across something called the "NHLI Photo Policy" but again, couldn't dig up anything online. Does anyone have a link for the rules/regulations on this topic?
Good luck, Matt. |
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