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MSNBC this overtly left leaning?
Landon Finch, Photographer
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David A. Cantor, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Toledo | OH | USA | Posted: 1:43 PM on 10.05.10 |
->> You can avoid the vote thingy by going to the original station video here:
http://tinyurl.com/28jlxa5 |
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Nick Adams, Photographer
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Lincoln | NE | | Posted: 1:48 PM on 10.05.10 |
->> Landon,
That is quote from a user, not the view point of MSNBC. Carl W. wrote that. That is the first one that is shown since it has more ratings then others. I'm sure if you would check back in a day or two, another comment would be listed. |
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Landon Finch, Photographer
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Colorado Springs | CO | USA | Posted: 1:49 PM on 10.05.10 |
->> Thank you for clarifying Nick. I (obviously) missed that.
Nothing here to see. Move on. |
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G.J. McCarthy, Photographer
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Dallas | TX | US | Posted: 1:55 PM on 10.05.10 |
->> Uhm, that appears to be a comment by one of the voters in the poll, and not necessarily something from the mouths (fingers?) of MSNBC.com staff.
Just a thought.
And in case you've been under a rock the last couple years, a lot of newspapers and media outlets these days let regular Joe's and Jane's comment on everything from stories, to videos and slideshows, to, yes, polls.
And by and large, the vast majority of people who comment are the most fractious, polarized members of our society. Many are pretty petty and cruel, too.
FWIW.
And there's me meeting my quota of one-per-year for "Totally Politically Charged SportsShooter Message Board Posts That Have Little To Do With the Photographic Medium In Its Myriad Forms" ...
Cheers,
- gerry - |
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G.J. McCarthy, Photographer
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Dallas | TX | US | Posted: 1:56 PM on 10.05.10 |
->> Woops. Apologies, Landon. Not trying to pile on you. Nick said it more quickly and concisely while I was still writing my note.
- g - |
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Landon Finch, Photographer
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Colorado Springs | CO | USA | Posted: 4:08 PM on 10.05.10 |
->> My apologies for not seeing that it was a viewer's comment. I have never seen it where a viewer's comment gets added to the poll results in this manner. To me it looked like it was part of the graphic MSNBC had designed and it really surprised me that MSNBC would have put that in there. I'm glad I was wrong.
And the last time I checked, journalism and bias are two things that get discussed here quite a bit.
Now for the off topic portion of my post:
By definition, the first post of a thread on SS.com cannot be off topic.
"Off topic
This should only be used when posts have absolutely nothing at all to do with the stated subject matter or theme of the thread. Do not use this to disagree with the fact that the subject matter exists in the first place." |
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Jim Colburn, Photo Editor, Photographer
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McAllen | TX | USA | Posted: 4:21 PM on 10.05.10 |
->> "By definition, the first post of a thread on SS.com cannot be off topic"
What if it's not about sports and not about shooting? |
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Landon Finch, Photographer
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Colorado Springs | CO | USA | Posted: 4:31 PM on 10.05.10 |
->> Jim, I didn't make the rules.
"SportsShooter.com is an online community and resource for sports photographers and other working photoJOURNALISTS."
"Off topic
This should only be used when posts have absolutely nothing at all to do with the stated subject matter or theme of the thread. Do not use this to disagree with the fact that the subject matter exists in the first place."
We should throw out the pissing match thread about TurboTax. |
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Landon Finch, Photographer
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Colorado Springs | CO | USA | Posted: 4:33 PM on 10.05.10 |
| ->> Might as well end this thread right here because Jim is always right. |
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Bradly J. Boner, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Jackson | WY | USA | Posted: 6:00 PM on 10.05.10 |
| ->> Only 39 more posts to 50... |
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Yamil Sued, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Peoria | AZ | USA | Posted: 9:30 PM on 10.05.10 |
->> Let it go farther, maybe Jim will get more Inappropriates this time!!
Y |
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Jeff Barrie, Photographer
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Indianapolis | IN | USA | Posted: 11:15 PM on 10.05.10 |
->> I don't think this has anything to do with politics, Tea Party or any other affiliation. It seems to be more about a rural resident not served by a fire district, which seems strange in itself.
I did read in one story the fire dept was a volunteer dept surviving on donations and the $75 fees. Their jurisdiction, for lack of a better word, didn't cover the area where this guy lived. Should they have stood by and watched, hell no. The thing that I wonder about the most is why didn't they agree to fight the fire and send the guy a bill? Could he have turned that in to his home owners insurance provider and get it paid that way?
A friend of mine had to take an ambulance ride to town from a rural area and it was something like $600 for an 8 mile ride. His health insurnce paid 80-90% of that.
Should an ambulance charge for the ride but a fire dept not for fighting the fire? Personally I would glady pay in advance to know that if my domain caught fire someone with a big red truck would be coming around to douse it with water.
I imagine his insurance company would have gladly paid a bill for fighting the fire rather than the total loss check they will have to write. |
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Jim Colburn, Photo Editor, Photographer
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McAllen | TX | USA | Posted: 10:18 AM on 10.06.10 |
->> Jeez, are people so bent out of shape that they cannot see when something's meant to be funny without a freakin' emoticon?
Let those Inappropriates roll! |
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Craig Mitchelldyer, Photographer, Assistant
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Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 10:26 AM on 10.06.10 |
| ->> Jeff, you do pay for the red truck to come. It's called taxes. |
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Dave Prelosky, Photographer
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Lower Burrell | Pa | US | Posted: 11:10 AM on 10.06.10 |
->> Craig,
Here in Pa, as I'm sure in most of the US, fire protection is provided by volunteers. That means unpaid folks who do the job.
Again, here in Pa. municipal governments can enact a dedicated "fire tax" of something like .5 mil to support the operations of local fire services. Most don't crying "no more taxes!" The local companies then turn increasingly to 50/50 cash raffles, gun bashes, and carnivals while some still have the backing to stage weekly bingo.
The only way you'll see your general taxes used to pay for fire protection is if your municipality has the tax base to support career firefighters. Volunteers - I think not. |
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Craig Mitchelldyer, Photographer, Assistant
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Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 12:14 PM on 10.06.10 |
| ->> Are you saying all fire dept in PA are volunteer? Really? Never heard of such a thing. I have heard of a few and far between very rural volunteer dept, but most city/county dept are funded by tax dollars. |
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Bob Ford, Photographer
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Lehighton | Pa | USA | Posted: 12:31 PM on 10.06.10 |
->> Craig, most cities in Pa. that I know of have paid departments, but not the smaller towns and boroughs.
I live in Carbon County and there is not one paid department in our County. Two of the neighboring counties, Schuylkill and Monroe, also have no paid firefighters.
North of here is Luzerne County. There is one city in Luzerne, Hazleton, Pa., that has a department with SOME paid firefighters, but they also rely on volunteers. |
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Dave Prelosky, Photographer
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Lower Burrell | Pa | US | Posted: 12:37 PM on 10.06.10 |
->> As an example, in the 700 sq mi. county where I work, there are 2 career departments. One is the City Of Butler with a paid chief, shift captains, and firefighters. The other is at the local VA hospital, with 2-3 FF's working per shift. The other 35 departments in the county are all volunteer, relying on fundraising, grants, and a few instances of the "fire tax" for their operating budget.
Here in Pa, career departments are probably outnumbered 20-1 by volunteers. |
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Craig Mitchelldyer, Photographer, Assistant
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Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 1:04 PM on 10.06.10 |
| ->> interesting. If I was a firefighter, I'd be annoyed by that. Isn't that similar to Guy with Camera working for free because they love it or need experience? |
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Butch Miller, Photographer
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Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 1:26 PM on 10.06.10 |
->> There is a mix of paid and volunteer fire companies in PA ... many larger cities have fully paid fire departments .. while other smaller municipalities have a hand full of paid staff supported by volunteers ... and smaller boroughs and townships are totally volunteer ... mainly due to the fact, that a full time staff would be cost prohibitive for many smaller communities.
However ... ALL the firefighters must be certified in fire fighting, emergency response and other areas before they are allowed to participate ... many of which pay their own fees, purchase their own turnout gear and invest hundreds of hours in training, seminars and workshops to keep their skills at a high level ... all in service to their friends and neighbors ... not to mention the lion's share of equipment is paid for by fund raising and donations ...
There was a time, early on in our nation, when property owners purchased fire insurance, the insurance companies placed a metal placard on the front of the home ... when the fire company arrived at the scene, if there was a placard, they fought the fire ... if not ... they let it burn ... looks like some locales are returning to that policy ... I know many of the volunteers in my area would not have let this home burn, regardless of the message the municipality was trying to send ... you don't let your neighbor's house burn just to prove a point ...
While the $75 fee for the department in question, referenced by the OP, does not seem excessive and in hindsight is a modest fee ... hardly seems worthwhile to punish someone over so little ... Thank God, doctors, nurses and hospitals are not allowed to be governed by such policies .... what may be interesting is to see if the victim's insurance company sues the fire department to recoup their losses ... |
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Dave Prelosky, Photographer
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Lower Burrell | Pa | US | Posted: 1:31 PM on 10.06.10 |
| ->> I suppose that's one possible interpretation, but the reality is most companies have been around for years, providing a necessary service that municipal government never offered. |
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Adam Vogler, Photographer, Photo Editor
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David A. Cantor, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Jim Colburn, Photo Editor, Photographer
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McAllen | TX | USA | Posted: 3:40 PM on 10.06.10 |
->> All in all it would appear that the guy was a bit of a fool to try and save himself the $75 in the belief that, "I thought they'd come out and put it out, even if you hadn't paid..."
I'll bet you that all of his neighbors will make sure that they're fully paid up from now on. |
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Landon Finch, Photographer
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Colorado Springs | CO | USA | Posted: 4:25 PM on 10.06.10 |
| ->> Why are you guys discussing the story? That is not what this thread is about. You're all off topic!!!!!! LOL ;-) Carry on. |
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David A. Cantor, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Toledo | OH | USA | Posted: 4:35 PM on 10.06.10 |
->> This one is leaning...
http://www.vententersearch.com/?p=237
...right of course...damn Tea Party driver...
(Hope you're happy, Landon!) |
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Landon Finch, Photographer
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Colorado Springs | CO | USA | Posted: 4:48 PM on 10.06.10 |
| ->> Way off topic Dave ;-) but funny. |
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Dave Prelosky, Photographer
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Lower Burrell | Pa | US | Posted: 6:44 PM on 10.06.10 |
| ->> I tend to digress late in the class, but circle back to the topic after being reminded by the professor... |
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Sam Santilli, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Philippi | WV | USA | Posted: 7:03 PM on 10.06.10 |
->> The early fire companies in our nation's history were all paid services. You ponied up the fee to what ever company you wanted to pay (NYC had dozens), and they gave you a 12" to 24" metal medallion to post on your house.
BTW....why build/buy a house that has no fire protection? $75 fire fee is very low. |
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
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Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 7:55 PM on 10.06.10 |
| ->> But yes, MSNBC is that overtly left leaning. |
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Jim Colburn, Photo Editor, Photographer
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McAllen | TX | USA | Posted: 10:24 PM on 10.06.10 |
->> "MSNBC is that overtly left leaning"
Only a true right-winger would think that the obviously centrist MSNBC is left-wing. |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 2:56 AM on 10.07.10 |
| ->> I know one thing. I'm never moving to Pennsylvania....I don't want my house to burn down because someone forgot to cash my check. |
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Butch Miller, Photographer
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Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 3:34 AM on 10.07.10 |
| ->> Chuck, the fire in question was in Obion County,Tennessee .... You'll be quite safe and comfortable in PA ... ;-) |
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Jeff Barrie, Photographer
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Indianapolis | IN | USA | Posted: 1:49 AM on 10.08.10 |
->> Craig I know I do pay for the big red truck thru my property taxes. Funny thing is until about 3 or 4 years ago the township I live in was a volunteer dept, supported by property taxes. Mind you, I live in Marion county, Wayne Township, Indiana which is Indianapolis and not a rural area. I can't verify but, the dept claimed at the time Wayne Township Fire Dept was the largest volunteer dept in the nation.
And believe it or not, their area of service also included Indianapolis International Airport....volunteers!!! |
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Mark Peters, Photographer
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Highland | IL | USA | Posted: 3:59 AM on 10.08.10 |
->> "Thank God, doctors, nurses and hospitals are not allowed to be governed by such policies"
Show up at a for profit hospital without insurance or a means to pay and then we'll revisit this topic. |
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Bryan Hulse, Photographer
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Nashville | Tn | USA | Posted: 9:59 AM on 10.08.10 |
->> I find it amusing the jack-off that made that comment actually think a Tea Party/Conservative/GOP type would actually want a house to burn down, if the residents didn’t pay the fee for services.
I think the person that wrote that comment listens to too much MSNBC. |
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Mike Janes, Photographer
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Attica | NY | USA | Posted: 3:48 PM on 10.08.10 |
->> @Bryan - I guess you missed those like Glenn Beck who said they were happy that the firefighters didn't put the fire out because if they did it's socialism since the neighbors paid for the service and would have ruined the system, since the house in question did not pay but still got the service. So yes they do like the fact they let the house burn and want it to burn if not paid.
This is by far one of the stupidest systems I've ever heard set up and there's a lot better ways to do it, there's good reason the old system of medallions on the houses went away but this area is still using a horrible system - what happens when they just screw up the paperwork and a house or business burns because the town secretary forgot to check off a payment? The property taxes would have gone up thirteen cents to get rid of this moronic system and they voted no to say they keep taxes down - pathetic.
@ Mark Peters - been there and done that, it's really fun let me tell you!! |
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Bryan Hulse, Photographer
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Nashville | Tn | USA | Posted: 6:08 PM on 10.10.10 |
->> Well, I try and not make opinions based on blogs and hearsay. It sounds to me like the community had no fire service, and the town reached a majority vote to provide the service, but the people in the community had to pay this $75 fee to support the service. Since property taxes apparently don't provide the funding for fire service, they had to basically establish their own tax.
This family opted not to participate.
After googling various stories, I did see an interview with Bill O'Riley and Glenn Beck. I understand what Glenn is saying, however I personally don't agree with him and do agree with Bill O'Riley, in that it was not appropriate to let the house burn, and they should have put out the fire, and billed the home owners after the dust settled. Fire service isn't free and has to be funded somehow. Firetrucks and hoses don't grow on trees.
If tax dollars funded fire protection, they wouldn't let a house burn if a home owner hadn't paid their taxes. But the IRS certainly would make sure all taxes had been paid, at some point. |
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Eric Isaacs, Photographer, Assistant
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Santa Barbara | CA | USA | Posted: 1:34 AM on 11.19.10 |
->> The problem with putting out the fire and billing after the fact is it creates a huge incentive to not pay unless you have a billable emergency. This leaves the fire department unfunded.
For the record, geographically most of the country is protected by volunteer departments, population wise most of the country is covered by paid, full time firefighters. |
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