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"We Will Stop Printing The New York Times Sometime In The Fu
Manuello Paganelli, Photographer
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Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 12:38 PM on 09.28.10 |
->> I new this was bound to become a reality. Very sad.
Sulzberger Concedes: "We Will Stop Printing The New York Times Sometime In The Future"
http://www.businessinsider.com/sulzberger-we-will-stop-printing-the-new-yor...
And if the NYT is gone then the rest of the papers print editions may as well kick it too.
IT will be hard to get use to not reading the Sunday's NYT.
Sports shooters and all photojournalist you better have a plan B? |
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Tom Frick, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Narragansett | RI | USA | Posted: 1:13 PM on 09.28.10 |
->> "Asked about his response to the suggestion that the NYT might print its last edition in 2015, Sulzberger said he saw no point in making such predictions and said all he could say was that "we will stop printing the New York Times sometime in the future, date TBD."
Well, yes? But this could be 5 or 50 years from now. I think it's safe to say that media, in general, is changing. But how exactly it will effect the NY Times (and the other media outlets) is just not known... yet. |
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Randy Vanderveen, Photographer
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Yamil Sued, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Peoria | AZ | USA | Posted: 1:29 PM on 09.28.10 |
->> "Sports shooters and all photojournalist you better have a plan B"
Does this come as a surprise to any of you??
I have always said that Being a "STAFFER" on any publication is not whether or not you are going to loose your job, but WHEN!!
I became a freelancer on 2005 out of necessity, not choice!!
Now is the time for Staffers to start your relationships with us the freelancers for guidance on how to run a successful business in Photography from us that have been doing it for years! I have held several staff positions in the past since I graduated from Brooks 25 years ago, but I have always retained my freelance business. I never gave it up!! There's some staffers out there that have held the same position for over 20 years and are very successful and very efficient at their STAFF Positions, but what happens if they are let go?? They have held only ONE job in 20+ years!! They are very good at their job, but now they are out on their own trying to make a living??? That is a tough position to be in. I know, I was on a similar position in January 2005 when I was laid off, but because I still had my freelance business, I jumped right into it and I was up and running in under 3 weeks!!
This is a tough economy, folks are loosing their jobs left and right. Now is the time to start looking at what we, the freelancers are doing, because you might be among us very, very soon!!
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Geoffrey Bolte, Photographer, Assistant
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Spencer/Worcester | MA | USA | Posted: 1:43 PM on 09.28.10 |
->> With the changes in technology who says that staffers will lose their jobs. I know they are right now as papers are trying to keep revenue up, but figure their major overhead is paper and printing isn't it?? Yes in the end they may all lose their jobs but it still may not happen all at the same time.
I haven't been a staffer any where and don't know the full ins and outs of the newspaper business but it is what it is right??
With all the ereaders and web based news, with the NYT saying they will stop printing, it doesn't mean they will stop producing it. With the stopping of the actual print they actually make a decent profit, if they figure out the digital age with advertising rates, localization of ads, etc.
Hopefully by the time it happens a subscription plan will be in place for the digital age, like it should have been when they first appeared on the web. Why give out free content when it happens when your going to printing it for the next day?? Made no sense. Anyways good luck to all, I hope there is a turn for the better in the future. As good writing and great photos help the news!!
Figure Time Warner has already figured out the whole subscription deal with SI and their other magazines going on the iPad. Making users subscribe is the one thing they need. And with it there could be a whole lot more photography placed in each magazine as they can have a decent gallery per article. Not the few images here and there. It may make for less $$ per image but there could be a whole lot more in there.....
I love my freelance life and wouldn't give it up, has given me multiple opportunities that as a staffer I would have never gotten. Good luck to all when the time does come, and make sure you have your own gear as I'm sure the papers won't be giving them out!!
Guess we will see in the near to distant future!! Where's that Delorian?? |
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Butch Miller, Photographer
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Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 1:45 PM on 09.28.10 |
->> Well ... just because there won't be a print edition, does not necessarily equate that there will be no need for photography ... or photographers .... or that the NYT will cease to exist when the time comes for them to move away from a printed copy of the paper ....
The news/sports coverage will continue ... the medium in which it is delivered is currently and will continue to evolve ....
I know this may sound sacrilegious ... but I made a commitment earlier this year that I will no longer buy any printed books for use in studying/learning new versions/features for Photoshop, Lightroom, etc. ... my bookshelf is buckling and bowing with the weight of books I've purchased in recent years ....
That doesn't mean I will no longer buy books ... I will only buy electronic/digital versions. In fact, I may buy digital versions of printed books I already have, just to have handy access of those publications for location reference ....
The new Time, SI and other publications testing the waters with digital subscriptions seem to be doing quite well for the short period of time they have been in existence ... and they are still using the same (and in some cases more) imagery as they do in the printed version.
I think this transition from print is doing more to solidify the use of imagery rather than diminishing it .... |
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Michael Fischer, Photographer
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Spencer | Ia | USA | Posted: 1:48 PM on 09.28.10 |
->> I think Butch makes a good point. The biggest loser on this is the Goss printing press salesperson.
Having said that, I'd be planning on my current position changing or being eliminated if I was a staffer. In other words, plan B. |
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Louis Lopez, Photographer
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Fontana | CA | USA | Posted: 3:13 PM on 09.28.10 |
| ->> Print always had a limited amount of photos that would run in each issue. Now with digital versions and or web content I think there will be a need for more images as the site and issues can be updated more easily, and in the case of a website, hourly or more often than that. |
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Jeff Mills, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Columbus | OH | USA | Posted: 7:07 PM on 09.28.10 |
->> I certainly agree with you Butch, but I think the big issue, at least for those hoping to earn a living shooting, is going to be the huge difference between the perceived and real value of a web image vs a print image.
A print 1/4th page in SI is worth about 20 times what you get for an image being ran as a leading half screen sized image on the website. Web images are next to worthless is most cases even today.
As the inevitable shift towards electronic media continues, how much further down is that going to drive pricing in comparison to the days of print media ?
Newsprint as its been said is simply tomorrows bird cage liner but at least its got a 24 hour life span. If web content is getting updated every few hours (Which consumers will expect and demand) I can only imagine how "disposable" a web image will become. |
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Butch Miller, Photographer
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Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 8:26 PM on 09.28.10 |
->> I get your point Jeff ... and I think as a profession ... we have to help shape the pricing of the future ... though currently the rates paid for print may be considerably higher than what a web counterpart would garner ... the message we need to send to publishers is, that even though the medium is evolving ... it still takes the same equipment, talent and expertise to constantly produce the high quality images we provide ... regardless of their end use.
Also ... even though digital editions have the capability of immediate updates, imagery provided will be available in perpetuity, or nearly so ... so while newsprint isn't a lasting art form ... digital delivery is.
I firmly believe that those publications that insist on top drawer content for their paper editions, will continue to expect and pay for the same in the future ... especially if they are not consumed by a mountain of invoices for newsprint and ink ... |
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Dave Einsel, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Houston | TX | United States | Posted: 11:22 PM on 09.30.10 |
->> Sulzberger Concedes: "We Will Stop Printing The New York Times Sometime In The Future"
Really?
In 2007 at the World Economic Forum in Switzerland, Sulzberger was asked if the New York Times would still be printed in five years.
His response, "I really don't know whether we'll be printing the Times in five years, and you know what? I don't care either."
Clearly, this has been the plan. |
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Andrew Carpenean, Photographer
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Laramie | WY | USA | Posted: 6:46 AM on 10.01.10 |
->> I think its always wise to have a plan B considering your career no matter what field your in being you can't predict the future and you may be more marketable having additional skills depending on what they are as some things may overlap.
Although I don't think the NYT sets the bar for other newspapers as a whole. There are many more smaller markets for which newspapers still suffice for local advertising in print editions. Yet on the same note I wouldn't be comfortable hanging my hat on anything pertaining to this business. |
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Chris Peterson, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Columbia Falls | MT | USA | Posted: 1:37 PM on 10.01.10 |
->> Let's face it, even the best newspapers with the best reproduction are printed on crappy gray paper.
That's why I think magazines will fill a niche market of folks who want to hold something in their hands without having to plug it in or recharge a battery and the rest (most newspapers, save for very niche or ultra local markets) will go the way of the Web.
Sulzberger isn't conceding anything. He just speaks the truth.
Your plan B should be to find yourself a niche and do what you do very, very well. Ordinary doesn't cut it. |
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Michael Granse, Photographer
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Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 3:52 PM on 10.01.10 |
| ->> Unfortunately, several magazines and and photo agencies have valued that "niche market" at $50 per photo regardless of placement or size. |
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Yamil Sued, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Peoria | AZ | USA | Posted: 6:36 PM on 10.01.10 |
->> Michael,
That is one of the main reasons that I DO NOT work for ANY publication!! Corporate work is where the money is!! OTOH if I'm on a Corporate shoot and a Publication offers me say, $300 for a Photo, sure, they can have it!! $50??? NO WAY!! Not even if I'm already getting Corporate Money!! Magazines in my industry can afford to pay!! I'm not going to start lowering my prices because it's a Magazine!!
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Bradly J. Boner, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Jackson | WY | USA | Posted: 7:06 PM on 10.01.10 |
| ->> I'm with Andrew - Small newspapers that have a strong emphasis on local coverage and have little or no competition will be around for a long time. |
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor
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San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 7:24 PM on 10.01.10 |
->> Why should we give a bleep one way or the other whether the New York Times is printed on paper or not?
--Mark |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 8:44 PM on 10.01.10 |
| ->> Well, Yamil, let all of poor ill-informed photojournalists bow to your advice. Come on dude, calm down. Newspapers (as Bradley stated) will be around for a while. Geezus, even I (Mr. Gloom and Doom) know that. Your comments are actually pretty insulting, at least to this newspaper photographer. I am so VERY glad you are doing well in your niche market....but shouldn't you be careful about what you say? What happens when the people YOU work for decide they WANT to spend $50 on a photo? you got plan "C" ready? |
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Yamil Sued, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Peoria | AZ | USA | Posted: 10:02 PM on 10.01.10 |
->> Chuck, I have gone to Plan C several times!!
Just say NO!!
I do it today!!!!
They want to pay $50, go find someone to go to a 15 hour 3-Gun match for 3 days straight and give them what I can do for $50!!
You know what happens Chuck??
They come back to me and pay my fees!!
Chuck, what you do is do a good job, do it for a decent and fair price and do it in a speedy time frame!! Meet Deadlines, you know how to do that Chuck!!
And you know what happens Chuck?? You build up a reputation as a PROFESSIONAL!!!
I will sit out the Nationals in Vegas this year!! You know why Chuck?? Not enough money?? I refuse to work 12 hour days, and shoot 15K+ RAW Images during a 7 Day Championship without making money!! I need to turn a profit!!
No insult intended Chuck!! Just advise from someone that was let go 5 years ago and suffered to turn a dream into a successful business!! That is a goal that everyone, staffer or not should have!! Or.... You can sit back and then be surprised when the Publication you Staff for today decides to close the Photo Dept and get Images from AP instead of paying a Staff Position!!
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PS, it doesn't hurt that not that many Photographers like what I do and turn their noses up at the industry I work for!! |
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John Korduner, Photographer
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Baton Rouge | LA | United States | Posted: 10:35 PM on 10.01.10 |
->> One day I'll find college cheerleaders to be a little young for my taste...
Prices for every commodity service seem to be in a deflationary spin. I've seen law firms advertising for contract attorneys at $25/hr...and there are so many out of work, there's no shortage for inquiries. But, I guess if you can't complain about people in Bangladesh working for $1/day, you can't really complain about publishers trying to squeeze photographers. |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 11:40 PM on 10.01.10 |
| ->> Yo, Yamil, you used my name seven times in your response, I guess I hit a nerve. and not to be rude, but honestly, you are more than somewhat ill informed if you think local newspapers are going to "get Images from AP instead of paying a Staff Position". dude, you DO realize that the AP relies on LOCAL newspapers for 95% of their daily report, right? and that figure is a little low. no offense to the AP but I can tell you right now if it wasn't for our newspaper and a couple of others in this state there would be NO report from the AP except for the sports wire. where have you been? the AP has abandoned news coverage. they are covering their ass with their contracts with the NCAA and pro sports. the rest of their report comes from us. the poor ill informed, guys in the trenches, photojournalists, LOCAL photojournalists. as I said before, you might think your safe in your niche photography, but me thinks you are a knat's breath away from someone not "turning their nose up" and offering some competition. hell, I would if I lived out there. you seem pretty ripe for the picking. |
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Yamil Sued, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Peoria | AZ | USA | Posted: 8:26 AM on 10.02.10 |
->> Chuck
Try to sell that to the good folks at the East Valley Trib.... |
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
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Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 8:52 AM on 10.04.10 |
| ->> All I can say is about time, since I stopped reading that rag years ago! |
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Yamil Sued, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Peoria | AZ | USA | Posted: 2:51 PM on 10.04.10 |
->> BTW Chuck, the Carolina Cup happens every year in June in Oxford, NC!!
I have been flown there from AZ to do that event!!
If you wanted to do the job, it's there for the taking..
There's a ton of major events in the east coast during the whole year, yet nobody ever shows up to do them, I get tons of calls to go to all these event, I can't be in 5 places on the same weekend... The jobs are there to be done, yet I have yet to see another photographer at any of the ones I have been to!!
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Armando Solares, Photographer
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Englewood | FL | USA | Posted: 4:36 PM on 10.04.10 |
->> The New York Times should have stopped printing (not publishing,) years ago. The company should have been the first to be web only. Others would have followed. Most people today get their news from broadcast tv, cable news networks and their presence on the WWW. Add that the proliferation of smart phones the ease of access to the internet and it seems to me publishing is at best barely surviving. News on paper just cannot keep up with the every minute news cycle.
And to Chuck, I was just at Geekfest in St. Pete. 80 percent of the photographers there were self-employed. It is quite the contrast to 5 years ago where it was the exact opposite. Not to mention the local newspaper here went from 13 photographers and 2 photo editors to 3 photographers and 1 editor in the 4.5 years since I stopped working there.
It is a different world than even a year ago. Good Luck to us all in whatever photography we practice. |
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