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Just in case you wanted something else to argue about.
Chip Litherland, Photographer
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Brian Hollingsworth, Photographer
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Brad Mangin, Photographer
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Pleasanton | CA | USA | Posted: 5:55 PM on 09.23.10 |
->> Chip- I like it. Read your blog this morning. I am older than you, so I am REALLY feeling you. Of course no one ever accused me of being creative.
Good stuff and thanks for sharing. |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 1:09 AM on 09.24.10 |
| ->> I'm sorry. Slap me and call me Sally. Argue? About what? Come on Chip.....I bought this....and all I see is someone trying to get hits on their new update. I'm sure I'll get 300 inappropriates but geez....that's kind of sad you would start a thread like this.... |
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Louis Lopez, Photographer
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Fontana | CA | USA | Posted: 2:28 AM on 09.24.10 |
| ->> WTF?? |
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David A. Cantor, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Toledo | OH | USA | Posted: 3:07 AM on 09.24.10 |
| ->> Wow..Chuck biffs a satirical title for a content rich message... |
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Chip Litherland, Photographer
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Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 9:11 AM on 09.24.10 |
->> Guess I should have started one about a missing 6x7 back or why I'm switching to Canon or how I'm ruining the industry by not buying someone's 5x7.
Much richer or insightful debates.
Chip
Tongue firmly in cheek. |
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David Bernacchi, Photographer
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Milwaukee | WI | USA | Posted: 9:23 AM on 09.24.10 |
| ->> Chip...Great take, I like it too! |
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Matt Barton, Photographer
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Lexington | KY | USA | Posted: 11:23 AM on 09.24.10 |
->> "...it all just reeks of what Ashton Kutcher would see as art."
Chip is my new hero. |
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Ken Blaze, Photographer
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Cleveland | OH | USA | Posted: 11:35 AM on 09.24.10 |
| ->> "hipster art" its all the rage! |
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Travis Haughton, Photographer
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Crystal Lake | IL | USA | Posted: 1:49 PM on 09.24.10 |
->> "Stop carrying your camera with you everywhere."
Amen! |
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David Brooks, Photographer
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San Diego | CA | USA | Posted: 4:22 PM on 09.24.10 |
->> What happens to us as photographers that causes us to go from artsy and idealistic to practical? In my experience I would say reality, an editor and a deadline. And if you shoot long enough, you become a cynic like Chuck.
I'm definitely a better photographer now than I was when I was an idealistic photojournalism student but I wouldn't mind to have a little of that enthusiasm back... it comes and goes like a cold. |
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Brad Barr, Photographer
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Port St. Lucie | FL | USA | Posted: 5:41 PM on 09.24.10 |
| ->> can i have my 5 minutes back?? |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 6:51 PM on 09.24.10 |
| ->> Cynic? Me? Man you SO hurt my itty bitty feelings. Come on. I just didn't see the point of starting this thread. I mean honestly, what if everyone who updated their page started a thread? you get your name on the top of the page when you update. that was my point. I guess now when you speak the truth about stuff you're a cynic. And David, I don't know where you come off labeling me as a cynic. I've been doing this full time day in and day out at every sized newspaper you can imagine longer than you've been breathing. I hope you have the enthusiasm I STILL have for this craft after 36 years. If your enthusiasm "comes and goes like a cold" you might be lucky if you hang around another five years..... |
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Jim Colburn, Photo Editor, Photographer
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McAllen | TX | USA | Posted: 7:09 PM on 09.24.10 |
| ->> There's a Photoshop plug-in that'll do that. |
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David Bernacchi, Photographer
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Milwaukee | WI | USA | Posted: 9:48 PM on 09.24.10 |
| ->> Chuck..which David? I do not think you are a cynic, I do like I said appreciate the original post. |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 10:28 PM on 09.24.10 |
| ->> the david who apparently is hot and cold. |
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Daniel Celvi, Photographer
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Schaumburg | IL | United States | Posted: 6:09 AM on 09.25.10 |
->> When I read Chip's comment about not taking your camera everywhere, it reminded me of an extreme scenario where I witnessed this.
I was eating dinner with a couple friends one night at a restaurant. Ahead of me and a bit to my right, I saw this guy and girl sit at a table, guy wearing a DSLR like a necklace. Normal enough of course for people in any major city. Dinner progresses, and I see the guy take a couple pictures of the pizza and the girl "eating" it, normal with obnoxious flash, but for the most part the camera sat on the table. Then the weird part happens: I see the guy get up, put his Canon-inspired necklace back on, and go to the bathroom. There is no ambiguity about where he was going: there was nothing else down the hallway to the bathroom, and the door outside was opposite the bathroom. He comes back to his table, and takes his necklace back off.
Who brings their camera specifically into the bathroom? Maybe I'm just not dedicated enough, but really? I'd always be terrified of dropping it into the bowl somehow... |
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Gerry Melendez, Photographer
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Columbia | SC | USA | Posted: 10:57 AM on 09.25.10 |
| ->> Chip, good stuff man. So a member wants to share how he sees the the current state of photography. Nothing wrong with that. I read through it. Good read. I move on. Sorry, I don't see the problem. |
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Darren Whitley, Photographer
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Northwest Missouri | MO | USA | Posted: 12:20 PM on 09.25.10 |
->> Pretty much sums up the problem with workshops, conventions, reading the same blog post by Chase Jarvis and watching Reverie too many times.
If all the ideas come from the same places, we all become a bunch of photo clones turning out incestuous images. Is my Dave Hill-style photo any better than yours? Probably not. Though I really did need to take it. I really did need to try to produce that look. John Sleezer, who mentored a lot of at K-State, used to say "Nothing's cliche until I've done it." So we all take turn trying to emulate one another's images and trying to explore what is that we love about a photo.
Thing is, everyone needs a turn with their Diana or Holga because we want one of our own. Most of us love our photos more than anyone else. Is there a photo you love more than your own? I can appreciate many photos by other folks but I learn more from the photos I take. I could stand to take a few more since I haven't been learning that much lately. |
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Thomas Boyd, Photographer
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Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 12:29 PM on 09.25.10 |
->> Chuck: I could see you pointing that out if Chip made a habit of starting a thread every time he posted something to his blog. He doesn't do that.
Fact is, two of the top photojournalists in the country are talking about something that's actually interesting and helpful to other photojournalists. Chip posted that to Sportsshooter thinking it may provoke a more constructive conversation about the way we think about creativity in photography.
I read both posts before they were posted here and I've been thinking about them quite a bit. I've been thinking about this idea for quite some time.
I do everything on his list and do the opposite of everything on his list. My feeling is that's it's helpful to try new things and stop doing new things. It's helpful for me to go in cycles of lighting things and not lighting things. To use a lot of lenses and then very few lenses. I think it helps me see things differently and change my approach and keep learning.
It reminds me a bit of the movie "It Might Get Loud" that features guitarists Jack White, Jimmy Page and Edge.
They all are highly creative artists and all take a completely different approach to their equipment. Edge uses a truckload of electronic modifications to shape his sound, Jack White purposefully uses a Holga equivalent to a guitar that's quirky and difficult to play and tune. Jimmy Page takes a masters approach to his instrument and just rocks the free world. |
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Mike Anzaldi, Photographer
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Oak Park | IL | USA | Posted: 1:34 PM on 09.25.10 |
->> ahhh, a version of the "what is art" argument.
talk about walking into a lions den.
in the third link: "21 photography cliches that should just go away" the first comment: "blog posts that think they know what's cliche and what's not"
awesome.
chips advice to limit yourself to one prime for a month is a good tip to someone who has A D D. if a zoom confuses and hinders your creativity by providing too many options, then yes, a 50mm prime is probably good concentration therapy.
a 50 1.4 is, regrettably, kind of cliche. cliche blog posts about photography cliches. awesome again. |
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Mike Anzaldi, Photographer
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Oak Park | IL | USA | Posted: 11:34 PM on 09.25.10 |
->> yeah, that was a regrettable post on my part.
disregard it. |
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Thomas Boyd, Photographer
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Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 4:05 AM on 09.27.10 |
| ->> Lenses are not cliche'. Certain types of images are. |
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