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Photo interns shot in Juárez.
Ivan Pierre Aguirre, Student/Intern, Photographer
El Paso | TX | United States | Posted: 10:15 PM on 09.19.10
->> Sad.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39222936
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Dave Einsel, Photographer, Photo Editor
Houston | TX | United States | Posted: 10:24 PM on 09.19.10
->> Madness.
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Jody Gomez, Photographer
Murrieta | CA | USA | Posted: 11:18 PM on 09.19.10
->> My in-laws live in El Paso which is right across the border from Juarez. The situation in Mexico is very grim and in many ways is spilling into our border cities. In August there were 322 people killed in Juarez, and over 5400 murdered in the last three years. There were 1800 murders in Juarez in the first 6 months of 2010 alone, and that doesn't count the over 800 women who have been raped and murdered since 1993.

The gangs and drug cartel control the city by murder. Due to these murders, many papers have stopped reporting on the drug wars. It's a shame that there is so much corruption down there.
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Jody Gomez, Photographer
Murrieta | CA | USA | Posted: 11:31 PM on 09.19.10
->> "The battle for Ciudad Juárez began about two years ago when the Sinaloa drug cartel, led by Joaquin ``El Chapo'' Guzman and based along Mexico's Pacific coast, began trying to wrest control of the crucial drug smuggling corridor into the U.S. from the Juárez cartel.

Fighting for the Juárez cartel is a street gang known as the Aztecas that operates on both sides of the border. Most Azteca members are heavily tattooed ex-cons who served time in Texas jails. One of the top Azteca leaders, Eduardo Ravelo, is a U.S. citizen."

Very interesting quote from this article
http://tiny.cc/fygve
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 12:28 AM on 09.20.10
->> It's certainly more dangerous than Kabul. Very sad.
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Octavian Cantilli, Photographer, Assistant
Columbus | OH | United States | Posted: 10:00 AM on 09.20.10
->> This is an editorial passage published on the front page of El Diario de Juarez on Sunday, the paper where the two murdered photojournalists worked.

"Leaders of the different organizations that are fighting for control of Ciudad Juarez: The loss of two reporters from this publishing house in less than two years represents an irreparable sorrow for all of us who work here, and, in particular, for their families," the editorial said. "We ask you to explain what you want from us, what we should try to publish or not publish, so we know what to expect."

http://tinyurl.com/2vbyh7p

Don't let them die in vein!
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Joe Cavaretta, Photographer
Ft Lauderdale | FL | USA | Posted: 3:45 PM on 09.20.10
->> pls take a few minutes:

http://vimeo.com/14678900

and next time someone tells you that drugs are a "victimless," crime, remember the situation in Juarez
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Phil Hawkins, Photographer
Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 3:52 PM on 09.20.10
->> A small rant: Why the heck can't we just invade Juarez and Tijuana (with Mexican permission) like we did Kabul and Baghdad? This is bull****. I cannot but believe that the Mexican authorities would welcome direct US military aid.
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David Seelig, Photographer
Hailey | ID | USA | Posted: 4:01 PM on 09.20.10
->> Why because no one on Mexico threatened to kill Bush's father like Saddam did, and they do not have iraq's oil reserves.
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Bryan Hulse, Photographer
Nashville | Tn | USA | Posted: 5:32 PM on 09.20.10
->> In late summer and early fall of 2002 I spent quite a bit of time in Juarez on business. Of course there were places I was warned not to go. But I was amazed how the town was really thriving. There were a lot of well educated people from auto manufacturer employees to computer programmers. The town really seemed to be on an upward swing. I never felt at risk driving or walking the streets at the market or in the business part of town.
I wish I could find some of my contacts email addresses down there and see if they are still around. I am guessing with so much manufactering work going to China and professional work going to India, the Juarez boom is long since over, even without all of the violence.
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Nick Doan, Photographer, Assistant
Scottsdale | AZ | USA | Posted: 6:26 PM on 09.20.10
->> That's right Phil! If you don't like something, invade it and kill em all!
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Jay Adeff, Photographer
Salinas | CA | USA | Posted: 7:47 PM on 09.20.10
->> The only solution is to decriminalize these drugs. This would cause the price of U.S. grown drugs to drop so much that it would put the Mexican drug cartel out of business (the U.S. made stuff is already of much higher quality anyway). However, even if we did decriminalize, our politicians would screw it up by taxing the daylights out of domestic drug production, which would again feed the desire for illegally imported drugs supplied by the Mexican drug cartel.

The "war against drugs" has gone on for decades and the problem has only gotten worse. Why does the U.S. Government keep beating this dead horse?
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Butch Miller, Photographer
Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 8:34 PM on 09.20.10
->> "Why does the U.S. Government keep beating this dead horse?"

More importantly .... Why does the Mexican government tolerate their country being run by the drug lords? .... Most of the Mexican politicians (from the lowest levels all the way to the top) are either on the take or extremely fearful for their lives .... resulting in nothing being done to stop the insanity and senseless loss of life ... which is now spilling across our southern border .... the resolution of this problem will not be pretty, no matter who takes on the cause as criminals with as much power as they currently possess in Mexico will not go away quietly ... no matter what is "decriminalized" north of their border .....

As long as those responsible officials in Mexico value profits from drug sales more than they value their own citizens, this issue will persist .... which is a shame because Mexico could be a very solid economic power in the world if their leadership would ever make the effort to free themselves from the criminal element that is holding them hostage ....
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Sandy Huffaker, Photographer
San Diego | CA | USA | Posted: 8:36 PM on 09.20.10
->> Fortunately there has been some(limited)success in curtailing the flow of drugs coming over the border. Unfortunately some of these drug cartels have resorted to kidnappings for ransom which has put more ordinary citizens in a state of constant fear. It used to be much more of a druggie on druggie thing, now everyone has to keep an eye out. We've got a long way to go until this war gets under control. The cartels have deep roots in these border towns and will never just cede their territory, even if we legalize drugs.
My thought are with the photogaphers killed.
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Phil Hawkins, Photographer
Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 9:55 PM on 09.20.10
->> Hi Nick; "If you don't like something, invade it and kill em all!"

Precisely!! The bad guys, anyway! You're catching on.
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
| | | Posted: 10:04 PM on 09.20.10
->> Phil,

Wait is this an election year? Hmmm
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Michael Fischer, Photographer
Spencer | Ia | USA | Posted: 8:44 AM on 09.21.10
->> Here's a link to a NYT story on this; http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/21/world/americas/21mexico.html?_r=1&th&emc=...

There actually has been discussion of using electronic military capabilities to aid the Mexican government. The current Mexican government has been willing to do what previous administrations has not: Challenge the drug cartels. The situation is very difficult in part because it's alleged that a lot of money went to government officials in previous administrations. The cartels are very deeply rooted.

I am against legalization of pot. Having said that, I believe it will become legal in the US. Consider the impact on drug cartels if it did. They will legalize it because of the tax revenue and economic impact it would create, but the cartels would be severely impacted if pot were made legal in the U.S.
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