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Ad agency wants you to shoot on spec
Mike Nelson, Photographer
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Paul Meyer, Photographer
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Spring Creek | NV | USA | Posted: 8:57 AM on 08.20.10 |
->> #39 reply in the comments beneath...priceless!!
(from your 1st link) |
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Paul Meyer, Photographer
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Spring Creek | NV | USA | Posted: 8:58 AM on 08.20.10 |
| ->> sorry...secong link #39 |
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Jack Howard, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Central Jersey | NJ | USA | Posted: 10:10 AM on 08.20.10 |
->> One thing I am always curious about whenever I see these vehement, nearly frothing at the mouth reactions from heaps of photographers to things like this on the internet:
-How much time are you spending a month feuding on websites and battling the forces of evil versus how much time are you working on your photographic techniques and positive self-promotional efforts?
I think the latter should be significantly higher than the former, but maybe that's just me... |
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Clark Brooks, Photo Editor, Photographer
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Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 10:16 AM on 08.20.10 |
->> RE: #39
While amusing. It is the internet and the forum uses open posting. The response is probably not from the agency owner but probably by some viewer - who knows without tracking the IP address, who knows ;-) |
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John Korduner, Photographer
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Baton Rouge | LA | United States | Posted: 1:00 PM on 08.20.10 |
| ->> All it takes is a few photographers who include a few offensive additions that go unnoticed before publication. I'd like to see a dominoes pizza pic with a cockroach that looked like sliced olives at first glance. |
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Michael Fischer, Photographer
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Spencer | Ia | USA | Posted: 2:01 PM on 08.20.10 |
->> Of course, the flip side is true as well. You design an ad campaign that works for my studio and if it does, we'll use you down the road.
Go with what Jack and Clark wrote. Way too much "the sky is falling" which is easier to get excited about then actually working on making one's business successful.
Playing the victim ... think about WHY you have to go into that mode. The answer you come up with may give you some important personal insights. |
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Eric Canha, Photographer
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Brockton | MA | United States | Posted: 2:10 PM on 08.20.10 |
->> John I would be VERY VERY careful of pulling a stunt like that. The INTENT to damage Domino's image by means of trying to 'sneak' that cockroach pizza photo by the judges would most certainly be actionable. I am willing to bet that Dominos has a bigger legal budget than the photographer looking to embarrass them.
In cases like these it's one thing to bitch and yell from the mountains that these money loving, working professional hating, corporations are vile. You are entitled to that opinion and to express it openly. Take it too far and those pizza boxes may be what you find yourself sleeping on.
Put differently, what is a prank in the second grade is defamation, libel, or slander in the grownup world... |
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Sam Santilli, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Philippi | WV | USA | Posted: 2:21 PM on 08.20.10 |
| ->> exploratory.....explore Uranus everyone at Latcha + Associates. |
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Christopher Kays, Photographer
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Benton | IL | USA | Posted: 2:26 PM on 08.20.10 |
| ->> I actually laughed out loud after reading #39 from the second link. |
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Rick Yeatts, Photographer
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Dallas | TX | USA | Posted: 5:36 PM on 08.20.10 |
| ->> This should be sufficient evidence for the spec shooters on how this effects everyone from the top down. Advertising photographers have been loosing there studios due to stock photographer. Stock photographers have resorted to" royalty free". Now AD's are looking for free testing from photographers to bring fresh ideas into the mix and the lucky photographer gets the gig but with a crap deal in the form of a buyout with no $$ on the back end. |
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Dennis Wierzbicki, Photographer
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Plainfield | IL | USA | Posted: 6:32 PM on 08.20.10 |
->> I'm curious...maybe I missed something. It looked to me like this was more of case of submitting samples in order to select the contract photographer than a request to submit finished images (for free) with the hope of getting the contract.
Reading the thread linked to above, Latcha (or someone who created an account and used the name David Latcha) actually appeared to confirm that the submissions were not going to be used for anything other than selection.
"We are not “stealing” shots, these are samples that we are asking for. The brief describes that we are not paying for the exploration, but at the same time, we ARE NOT USING ANY OF THE PHOTOGRAPHY being shot AS SAMPLES for any purpose other than to determine the creativity and artistry that a photographer may bring."
How is this any different than not being paid for the 2 or more hours required for a job interview, which happens all the time, or not being paid to submit a portfolio submission?
Does anyone get paid when they submit a portfolio for review, or get paid to submit topic-specific samples for review (which sounds to me like what this is)?
Even the PDN article says "If Latcha likes your sample, you might become eligible to bid for actual jobs. "We will create a talent pool of those who hit the mark," the brochure says".
I wonder if anyone has seen the actual "Shoot a Sample" brochure to see what the truth is?
Clearly post number 39 is out of line, but as has been noted above, you (or I, or anyone) could register on that Web site and call ourself whatever we'd like, including David Latcha, and say anything we want to. |
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