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National Geographic Cloning?
Sara D. Davis, Photographer
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor
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San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 3:31 PM on 08.19.10 |
->> You'd think they'd get better at doing things that they say they don't do.
--Mark |
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Bradly J. Boner, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Jackson | WY | USA | Posted: 4:08 PM on 08.19.10 |
->> "You'd think they'd get better at doing things that they say they don't do."
...or get better at spotting it. |
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Bradly J. Boner, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Adam Brimer, Photographer, Assistant
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Knoxville | TN | USA | Posted: 4:36 PM on 08.19.10 |
->> All of the photos that appeared to have cloning issues were removed. I originally saw this on the NPR Picture Blog. Here is what NPR said:
"Update: Thanks to user comments, we noticed blurring in two of the images. We inquired with National Geographic; they attribute the file corruption to a computer glitch. In the magazine, the corrupted parts of the images have been cropped out. The corrupt images have been removed from this gallery, and we are awaiting replacement files." |
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Adam Brimer, Photographer, Assistant
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Knoxville | TN | USA | Posted: 4:39 PM on 08.19.10 |
| ->> Also, I saw at least three images with cloning / "blurring" issues. Including the two Sara mentioned above, there was a third of the nickel mine which appeared to have some cloned areas at the top of the frame on the NatGeo site. The photo on the NPR picture blog does not have that issue. |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 4:44 PM on 08.19.10 |
->> aha! the old "computer glitch" excuse. not the "I didn't mean to send that file", or the "I was just fooling around showing off what photoshop can do and mistakenly transmitted it" or my personal favorite "I was very sleepy when I was imaging the photo and didn't realize I cloned something in."
of course not to be too harsh but remember this?
www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/photo_database/image/the_case_of_the_moving_pyramids/ |
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Adam Brimer, Photographer, Assistant
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Knoxville | TN | USA | Posted: 4:52 PM on 08.19.10 |
->> The tree on the far left that appeared to be photoshopped into the frame is still with the feature story on their site. You just cannot see the repetitive clone areas or the corner where the grass disappears.
The photo still looks off.
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2010/09/madagascar/draper-text |
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David A. Cantor, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Sara D. Davis, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 5:11 PM on 08.19.10 |
->> In trusting Nat Geo, the photos would appear cropped in the magazine, whereas they are actually full frame. I guess the computer glitch could have repeated the information along the side, hence looking like a bad clone job and widening the photos.
Non-the-less, good catch Adam. |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 5:25 PM on 08.19.10 |
->> Okay...is today "destroy photojournalism day"? check out this article a friend just sent me.
www.salon.com/life/life_stories/index.html?story=/mwt/made/2010/08/19/father_making_photographs_open2010
things were different back in the 60's and 70's I know and he is a very famous photographer but recreating photos of things you had seen and using your kids to make them perfect? geez reading that gives me the heebie geebies. |
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Adam Brimer, Photographer, Assistant
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Paul Hayes, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Littleton | NH | USA | Posted: 8:18 PM on 08.19.10 |
| ->> So was the verdict guilty? I looked at the images in the galleries above and was not convinced anything was done one way or the other. Were the images updated? |
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Sara D. Davis, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 10:31 PM on 08.19.10 |
| ->> Yes, new unaltered photos have been updated and NPR explained the error on Adam's latest link. |
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Scott Serio, Photo Editor, Photographer
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Colora | MD | USA | Posted: 11:46 PM on 08.19.10 |
->> OK, help me out here. Formatting? It seems like the response on NPR was that image space was ADDED to make it fit the page. Did I read that right? That doesn't make sense. Why not crop to fit, if it is such a minor crop. What does Pascal Maitre's original image look like.
I would submit that the original work was photojournalism, but something happened in-house at Nat Geo.
Was space added to fill the page? Did NatGeo use a content-aware CS5 fill to run the image out to fill a canvas?
Sorry, I am confused on this one and just asking a logical question. When something has to go through that many editors, "mistakes" of this level just shouldn't occur. I am not in the printing business, I take photos. Please tell me what formatting error could lead to this. |
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Derek Montgomery, Photographer
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Duluth | MN | USA | Posted: 1:28 AM on 08.20.10 |
->> What I think they were doing is increasing the image size by cloning the edges so that when the printer cut the page, the image would bleed across the edge of the page. Basically the cloned material was planned to be chopped out of the final print version to accomplish the full bleed, but somehow got onto the web.
I would think there are certainly better and less-controversial ways to do this than cloning the edges. It doesn't take much these days for people to believe an honest mistake was something more sinister and I hope that it was just a poorly executed plan to accomplish the full-bleed in this case. |
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