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New mirrorless Nikon?
Jeff Brehm, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
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Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 3:36 PM on 07.13.10 |
| ->> Sounds like just an EVF. |
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Darren Whitley, Photographer
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Northwest Missouri | MO | USA | Posted: 4:00 PM on 07.13.10 |
| ->> I don't comprehend how Nikon can call themselves the largest mfg of SLR cameras. It would appear they lag behind Canon when you look at Flickr stats for example. Perhaps Nikon has more square footage of manufacturing. |
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Allen Murabayashi, Photographer
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New York | NY | USA | Posted: 4:32 PM on 07.13.10 |
| ->> they sold more DSLRs than canon last year, and i believe will sell more than canon this year. |
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Butch Miller, Photographer
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Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 4:52 PM on 07.13.10 |
->> " I don't comprehend how Nikon can call themselves the largest mfg of SLR cameras."
Not to mention how they owned the market from 1959 -2000 then they started to fall behind with the avalanche of DSLR introduction ... but it didn't take them long to catch up once the D3, D700 and D300 hit the market ... the past two Olympics, (Beijing and Vancouver) there were far fewer white lenses than the previous few games .... same on a local level ... I see fewer white lenses each year ...
Nikon used to make the F3HP that shot 13 frames per second with a fixed reflex mirror so their wouldn't be lag due to mirror movement ... the mirror allowed light to pass through to the film plane and also allowed unobstructed view in the finder ...
Fewer moving parts always piques my curiosity ... |
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Eric Canha, Photographer
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Brockton | MA | United States | Posted: 5:02 PM on 07.13.10 |
->> I'm amazed it took a full 30 minutes to slide into the groove of a good ole Nikon - Canon debate.
Butch I see white lenses all the time. I just recently saw 4 propping up a coffee table ;> |
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Darren Whitley, Photographer
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Northwest Missouri | MO | USA | Posted: 5:22 PM on 07.13.10 |
| ->> Actually Eric, I was calling into question the credibility of their self-given label. Just wondering if it wasn't PR-speak like our beloved Apple Computer produces. |
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Butch Miller, Photographer
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Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 5:48 PM on 07.13.10 |
->> What credibility issue? The linked article is not a Nikon press release , rather a story written for Bloomberg by Mariko Yasu. The wording used in the article "Nikon, Japan’s biggest SLR camera maker" shouldn't be misleading ... it could mean they have the most employees, the most manufacturing plants or historically ... the overall highest SLR sales in the world ... all of which are true ...
Don't get me wrong ... I have no issues with Canon or those who use Canon equipment ... while it's true over 5-6 years of DSLR production, Canon trounced Nikon pretty good in sales ... since then the playing field has leveled a bit ... it's all good ... but it is also good to have a historical perspective ...other than Flickr statistics ... |
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Michael Fischer, Photographer
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Spencer | Ia | USA | Posted: 6:11 PM on 07.13.10 |
->> Darren,
I didn't have a lot of time, but in doing a quick search I came up with this thread:
http://www.digitalphotographywriter.com/2009/11/canon-and-nikon-2008-market...
According to the writer, Nikon caught up with Canon in the Digital SLR market in 2008; Canon has lost share for the past several years.
So, while your perception of Canon holding a dominating market share was once true, they've been getting their collective butts kicked the last several years. Canon is big, but Nikon has had better product management and... Sony has grown share after buying Minolta out.
So, while I didn't see any 2009 figures, I'm guessing Nikon's claim isn't based of square footage but on real sales. Flikr stats aren't a good measurement evidently. |
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Andrew Carpenean, Photographer
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Laramie | WY | USA | Posted: 6:34 PM on 07.13.10 |
->> Butch,
I shot with two Nikon F3 HP (high eyepoint camera bodies) in the 80's and I don't recall it shooting at that advance of a rate. I believe it was about seven frames a second with a nicad pack.
And it was almost seven years before the release of the Nikon D1 to the D300 in Sept. 07. I used the D1, D1h, D1X, D2h and D2hs and had major issues with every single camera. To me that is a long time to catch up and why so many went with Canon at that time.
Not to knock Nikon's latest models as they are all spectacular cameras. |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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| | | Posted: 7:02 PM on 07.13.10 |
->> Canon made the EOS 1n/RS that shot 10fps through the mirror that I believe caused a loss of 1/3 stop of light.
I used one while shooting the 1994 World Cup as a loaner from CPS. I didn't know it was an "RS" with no mirror black out. I ripped through 3 rolls of film at 10fps before I realized what was going on (yes I felt like an idiot when I realized what was going on).
Nikon did make the Nikon F3H (not HP) , coupled with the MD-4H, that shot 13fps through a fixed mirror. Nikon made less than 500 of these cameras in '97 for the '98 winter games in Nagano. I don't believe they were ever officially sold, but I saw one at the annual photo expo at the Javits Center in NYC in 98.
With DSLR video I wonder why neither Nikon or Canon has explored the fixed mirror. Yes its a loss of 1/3 light, but the gain is more than the loss. |
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Anthony Phelps, Photographer
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Wellington | Wellington | New Zealand | Posted: 7:30 PM on 07.13.10 |
| ->> Canon also produced their F1 High Speed for the 84 LA Olympics which did 14fps; Nikon had their 10fps F2 High Speed there which i used. It was a spectacularly fast camera at the time and neither had any AF issues ! |
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Butch Miller, Photographer
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Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 8:10 PM on 07.13.10 |
->> Steve, your right ... I had the wrong designation it was the F3H high speed would only reach 13 fps only with with the MD-4H motor drive ... definitely a candidate for the 250 bulk frame holder MF-4 ...
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/htmls/models/htmls/slr...
The F2 High Speed was similar in configuration but only 10 fps |
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Darren Whitley, Photographer
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Northwest Missouri | MO | USA | Posted: 9:25 PM on 07.13.10 |
| ->> I actually use both, but that Nikon is the largest mfg was a surprise to me. I'm actually happy to see they're doing well since I switched my personal equipment over last summer. |
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Grant Blankenship, Photographer
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Macon | GA | USA | Posted: 10:58 AM on 07.14.10 |
->> "With DSLR video I wonder why neither Nikon or Canon has explored the fixed mirror. Yes its a loss of 1/3 light, but the gain is more than the loss."
With the image quality at high ISO, you do have to wonder why they haven't given it a go with the pellicle mirror again. I'd lose a stop of light in exchange for speed. Do you think that would further enable still capture in the midst of video capture or is that still a function of computation speed? |
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Eric Francis, Photographer
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Omaha | NE | United States | Posted: 11:51 AM on 07.14.10 |
->> For me, the best part of a pellicle mirror is that I could see my strobes fire and how they looked. Honestly, isn't 10fps enough for sports?
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Bradly J. Boner, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Jackson | WY | USA | Posted: 12:10 PM on 07.14.10 |
| ->> Eric - There's also a little screen on the back of your DSLR that you can look at after you take a picture and see how your strobes looked. |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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| | | Posted: 12:35 PM on 07.14.10 |
->> Bradley,
Focusing for video via the view finder is far easier than focusing via the LCD screen on the back.
...also seeing your strobes through the view finder 'live' as you shoot doesn't require than you stop and Chimp after a shot to make sure they went off. |
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Eric Canha, Photographer
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Brockton | MA | United States | Posted: 12:51 PM on 07.14.10 |
->> Two things to keep in mind.
First the mirror is exposed every time you swap a lens. Unlike the sensor that is protected behind the shutter, dust on the mirror will be much more likely.
Second cleaning the mirror will be a much bigger PIA than cleaning the sensor. The metal coating is deposited on the surface of the glass as opposed to the back of the glass like bathroom mirrors. That makes the silvering more susceptible to scratches and damage. Normally not a problem as the mirror flips out of the way BUT when you are recording images that are having to pass THROUGH that dirty mirror......
Yet more surfaces to keep clean..... kinda like using glass neg carriers. (yes I'm old). |
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Bradly J. Boner, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Jackson | WY | USA | Posted: 1:02 PM on 07.14.10 |
->> Steven:
1. Obviously the humor was lost.
2. I don't think I said anything about video. That's a good point, though.
3. Eric was talking about how strobes looked. Not whether or not they went off.
4. Points 2 and 3 are besides the point. Again, I guess the humor was lost. |
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
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Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 6:00 PM on 07.14.10 |
| ->> So glad for this insightful discussion of Nikon's next SLR...lol. |
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Eric Francis, Photographer
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Omaha | NE | United States | Posted: 7:36 PM on 07.14.10 |
->> holy crapy Brad, you're right!!!!
I went and check and there is a screen on the back of my camera that will show me pictures. What will they think of next?
Maybe I'm just to old school, but I like to have my eye actually in the viewfinder with my attention on my subject. |
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Bradly J. Boner, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Jackson | WY | USA | Posted: 8:46 PM on 07.14.10 |
| ->> Eric - you and I are from the same school. Remember when you didn't know exactly how your strobes were gonna look until you developed your film? |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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| | | Posted: 8:56 PM on 07.14.10 |
->> Eric,
Has Tri-X even reached Omaha yet? How about one of them 'lectric talkin' picture boxes? :0) |
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Eric Francis, Photographer
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Omaha | NE | United States | Posted: 9:24 PM on 07.14.10 |
| ->> TriX.... that's way old school. We're using Tmax 3200 these days Steven. |
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