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BP keeping media out of public places with military support?
Will Powers, Photographer
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Denver | CO | USA | Posted: 2:01 PM on 06.10.10 |
->> Just heard on CNN that BP is somehow using the military to keep media people out of public places, particularly beaches and marshes to photograph wildlife etc. Non media are allowed in or on.
If I were CNN or with a media outlet, I would want the agencies to challenge that with an arrest, and yes, I'd volunteer. |
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James Broome, Photographer
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Will Powers, Photographer
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Denver | CO | USA | Posted: 1:30 PM on 06.11.10 |
| ->> James, I'm sure that the nature of your post is to say that there is another message that talks about a similar topic, however, I mentioned that CNN had reported it as the military was keeping journalists out. I thought it was significantly different. You are free to disagree. |
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Michael Granse, Photographer
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Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 3:48 PM on 06.11.10 |
->> Why have people become so resistant to the idea of the United States Military being under the control of the United States Government?
This is the second thread in as many weeks that has stated that a corporation based in The United Kingdom has assumed control over the United States Military (the Coast Guard in the previous thread) for the purpose of denying access to journalists.
BP can be blamed for the explosion, the deaths of the rig workers, and the oil spill but it is a bit of a stretch to think that BP has now in charge of the United States Military. |
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James Broome, Photographer
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Tampa | FL | US | Posted: 4:34 PM on 06.11.10 |
->> Will - if you don't count the Coast Guard as 'military', then the articles are different. If you do (since they are, in fact, considered a branch of the US military), then the articles are saying the exact same thing.
From the article first posted:
"As BP makes its latest attempt to plug its gushing oil well, news photographers are complaining that their efforts to document the slow-motion disaster in the Gulf of Mexico are being thwarted by local and federal officials—working with BP—who are blocking access to the sites where the effects of the spill are most visible. More than a month into the disaster, a host of anecdotal evidence is emerging from reporters, photographers, and TV crews in which BP and Coast Guard officials explicitly target members of the media, restricting and denying them access to oil-covered beaches, staging areas for clean-up efforts, and even flyovers." |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 4:51 PM on 06.11.10 |
| ->> Michael, from everything I heard and read in many articles and NPR it was a collaboration between the Coast Guard and BP to limit access to media. It has since lightened up since the CG got egg all over their face when it came to light they were being used as stooges by BP. In fact I'm pretty sure that's why the highest ranking CG official was relieved of their command and replaced because he was to cozy with his buddies at BP. |
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Alan Look, Photographer
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Bloomington/Normal | IL | United States | Posted: 4:58 PM on 06.11.10 |
->> In the next election I think there will be one or more candidates running on a platform promoting more openess and access...
Just saying... |
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Will Powers, Photographer
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Denver | CO | USA | Posted: 5:04 PM on 06.11.10 |
->> Michael,
As I understand it, the military is for battles on foreign soil, not to be used against the citizens of the US in the US. That is what police abuse is for, as I understand it.
James,
CNN wasn't mentioned in the NYT article and the event CNN talked about had just happened so in effect it was new news. I think a new thread was in order. You're free to continue to disagree with my opinion. |
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Mark Peters, Photographer
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Highland | IL | USA | Posted: 5:42 PM on 06.11.10 |
->> Will
"The United States Coast Guard is a military, multimission, maritime service within the Department of Homeland Security and one of the nation's five armed services. Its core roles are to protect the public, the environment, and U.S. economic and security interests in any maritime region in which those interests may be at risk, including international waters and America's coasts, ports, and inland waterways."
http://www.uscg.mil/top/missions/ |
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor
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San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 6:27 PM on 06.11.10 |
->> Michael G., There have been a number of reports of the Coast Guard referring to BP as the authority for their keeping journalists out of an area.
--Mark |
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James Broome, Photographer
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Tampa | FL | US | Posted: 9:44 PM on 06.11.10 |
->> Will - So your first reason why you figured this bit of news warranted a new thread was that yours had military keeping press away. When it was pointed out that the original article said the same thing, you reason that since the press being kept out was CNN, then that makes it new? Should someone post a new thread when ABC is kept out? Then another when USA Today is kept out?
I will accept your offer of continuing to disagree with your opinion. |
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Will Powers, Photographer
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Denver | CO | USA | Posted: 12:05 AM on 06.12.10 |
| ->> It would not bother me. |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 12:06 AM on 06.12.10 |
| ->> James, this is a pretty common happening here on good ole SS. You (according to your member page) are obviously not an editorial news photographer. These things tend to affect those of us who DO shoot NEWS. so why do you have a problem with will starting a new thread? I'm very confused. this is a HUGE issue. BP has attempted a HUGE coverup. if you want to drink their brand of kool aid, fine....but don't dis someone who questions what's going on with what may be the biggest ecological disaster in our lifetime. |
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John Korduner, Photographer
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Baton Rouge | LA | United States | Posted: 12:47 AM on 06.12.10 |
->> "If I were CNN or with a media outlet, I would want the agencies to challenge that with an arrest, and yes, I'd volunteer."
You're a brave man! I can't fathom seeking an arrest and conviction followed by years of appeals, hoping to win a 1st amendment argument.
I just spent six months fighting for the return of my wife's security deposit...and court costs alone consumed over half the settlement amount. I can't imagine multiplying my (pro bono) effort by 1000x, over several years while being constantly pestered about the status of the successful removal of her felony conviction... |
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Gene Blevins, Photographer
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
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Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 7:01 AM on 06.12.10 |
->> Glad you explained that, John. I thought Will was volunteering to place the US Coast Guard under arrest.
Just glad the military isn't enforcing SS thread starting protocol. The self-appointed board nazis are bad enough. Funny that the guy who seems most offended by this 'waste' of a thread has contributed more meaningless verbiage to the board than anyone else who has posted here... |
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Robin Loznak, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Roseburg | OR | USA | Posted: 8:37 AM on 06.12.10 |
| ->> I've been down here attempting to cover the spill since Monday. Access has been a challenge, but not impossible. I was on s USCG airboat tour yesterday and was scheduled for a flyover today. I've been into the pelican cleaning facility and the sea turtle rescue facility. I do wonder if the oil is less toxic in Alabama. The beaches are still open in Alabama, but on Grand Isle you get arrested for stepping over a line in sand about halfway across the beach. The heat is making things difficult. Check my blog to see how I'm doing...http://robinloznakphotography.blogspot.com/ |
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James Broome, Photographer
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Tampa | FL | US | Posted: 9:00 AM on 06.12.10 |
->> "James, this is a pretty common happening here on good ole SS. You (according to your member page) are obviously not an editorial news photographer. These things tend to affect those of us who DO shoot NEWS. so why do you have a problem with will starting a new thread? I'm very confused. this is a HUGE issue. BP has attempted a HUGE coverup. if you want to drink their brand of kool aid, fine....but don't dis someone who questions what's going on with what may be the biggest ecological disaster in our lifetime."
Chuck L - I worked most of my life as an editorial photographer. If you're assuming I'm joining hands with BP or justifying their actions, you're completely missing the point. This *is* a huge issue. BP is attempting a news blockade to protect their image. I agree 100%. I live on the Gulf and am boycotting BP. Trust me, I'm *not* drinking the kool-aid.
My posts have been about the duplicating of topics. Plain and simple. I'm not 'dissing' anyone. I was making a point that a thread already existed that covered the same topic. That's all.
Chuck S - Again, just trying to explain my point since it was questioned. I am not, nor was ever, offended.
Politics. Always good fun. Carry on, y'all. |
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Mike Anzaldi, Photographer
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Oak Park | IL | USA | Posted: 10:39 AM on 06.12.10 |
->> "If I were CNN or with a media outlet, I would want the agencies to challenge that with an arrest, and yes, I'd volunteer."
also agree that this is not a good idea. you would win even if you won. if he who was arrested in this instance got away with defending themselves for $20k, that would be lucky.
the first amendment is not on the list of things being protected in the gulf. |
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Mike Anzaldi, Photographer
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Oak Park | IL | USA | Posted: 11:48 AM on 06.12.10 |
| ->> that should read "you wouldn't win even if you won." |
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Nina Zhito, Photographer
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bay area | CA | | Posted: 2:36 PM on 06.12.10 |
| ->> Let us not forget that the United States Coast Guard is part of the Department of Homeland Security, and we all know that interfering with Homeland Security activities will quickly get one branded a terrorist. Thanks to all who are monitoring and reporting about the spill. |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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->> Nina,
While USCG is DHS ... they are still the United States Military. |
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Doug Keese, Photographer
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New Orleans | LA | United States | Posted: 2:08 AM on 06.13.10 |
| ->> Well, if anybody was looking for more proof of what's going on down here, check out this video clip: http://www.wdsu.com/video/23877998/index.html From one of our local new orleans tv news stations. If there isn't some kind of cover up going on, I don't what the hell their problem is. What I do know, is just 2 months ago, I was sitting in a boat just a few hundred yards off of the beach their cleaning up and catching 40" redfish. Now, the boat hasn't left storage b/c all of the fishing grounds I know are closed. And to top it all off, some asshole private security guard is telling the local media that they can't gather the info to better inform me of what's going on. Heads should roll over this video clip, but I doubt much will come of it. |
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Mike Brice, Photographer
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SLC | UT | USA | Posted: 2:18 AM on 06.13.10 |
->> I love how on the clip after a local sheriff got involved, it was clear that he told the rent-a-cops that the media could walk down and talk to the workers.
Three cheers for a sheriff who knows the law. |
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Nina Zhito, Photographer
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bay area | CA | | Posted: 6:58 PM on 06.16.10 |
->> Our Coast Guard in Action...
U.S. Coast Guard Provides
Ceremonial Delivery of NASCAR Trophy
SONOMA, Calif. (June 16, 2010) – Infineon Raceway received a special delivery on Wednesday, thanks to the United States Coast Guard Air Station San Francisco, the “Guardians of the Golden Gate.”
The Coast Guard arranged for safe delivery of the winner’s trophy for this weekend’s Toyota/Save Mart 350 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series race. A Coast Guard MH65C Dolphin helicopter, departing from an unknown location in the Bay Area, landed on the road course on Turn 11 with the trophy safely stored.
From there, two raceway handlers, dressed in black suits and wearing white gloves, and David Ragan, driver of the No. 6 UPS Ford, secured the trophy and stored it in a safe place until Sunday’s race.
Mission accomplished.
“It was great to take part in this trophy delivery by the United States Coast Guard,” Ragan said. “They do an incredible job for our county and I was happy to be part of this experience. I’m really looking forward to the race on Sunday.”
The crewman who hand-carried the trophy from the MH65C Dolphin was AMT2 Bryan Patrick. The pilots of the aircraft were Lt. Lane Steffenhagen and Lt. j.g. Ian Groom.
“The Coast Guard is pleased to be recognized by NASCAR and Infineon Raceway as a symbol of safety and security,” said Lt. j.g. Matt Kroll, a pilot at Coast Guard Air Station San Francisco. “Whether it's saving a life 50 miles offshore or protecting cargo entering the San Francisco Bay, our missions often put us in unique situations. Delivering the Winner's Trophy today was a great way to put our MH-65C multi-mission helicopter to use in a real life training scenario. The Air Crew was proud to represent the Coast Guard today and looks forward to returning on Sunday for the start of the race."
The Coast Guard will return on Sunday as part of the ceremonial fly-by moments before the green flag is dropped on the Toyota/Save Mart 350.
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Toyota/Save Mart 350 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series
WHAT: Big O Tires Racing Season Presents: Toyota/Save Mart 350
WHEN: June 18-20 (Father’s Day weekend)
2009 POLE WINNER: Brian Vickers (Red Bull Toyota)
2009 WINNER: Kasey Kahne (Budweiser Ford)
NOTABLE: The weekend will also feature the Thunder Valley Casino Resort 200 NASCAR Pro Series West race on Saturday.
TICKETS: $25-$130 single day/$99-$180 weekend; parking is FREE. Discounts for military.
INFORMATION: 800-870-RACE, infineonraceway.com or ticketmaster.com |
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