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This is SO wrong.
Daniel Putz, Photographer
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Owings Mills | MD | USA | Posted: 11:39 PM on 04.24.10 |
| ->> *slams head into desk* |
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Matt Brown, Photographer
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Fullerton | CA | USA | Posted: 12:07 AM on 04.25.10 |
| ->> Nobody is that dumb. |
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Michael Fischer, Photographer
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Spencer | Ia | USA | Posted: 3:23 PM on 04.25.10 |
->> Matt...wanna bet? As P.T.Barnum once said, no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.
;-o |
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
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Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 4:24 PM on 04.25.10 |
->> This isn't the "public". This is supposedly a professional journalist.
Hardly professional behavior
Nuff Said. |
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Jeff Brehm, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Charlotte | NC | USA | Posted: 6:00 PM on 04.25.10 |
| ->> No worse than the photographers at Ohio State football games who wear their Buckeyes jerseys and "Go Bucks" T-shirts |
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Sam Morris, Photographer
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Henderson (Las Vegas) | NV | USA | Posted: 7:23 PM on 04.25.10 |
->> Meh.
Not sure of the circumstances, but if I wasn't expecting it to rain, I showed up to shoot and it started raining and was offered a poncho, I would wear it. If it weren't cold out, I would probably use it to cover my gear.
What was that Shakespeare play? "Much Ado About Nothing"?
Or maybe I don't quite get the whole SoCal football vibe.
Time to grill some pork chops. |
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George Bridges, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Washington | DC | USA | Posted: 7:33 PM on 04.25.10 |
->> I keep a freebie, give-away throwaway poncho in my bag in case of sudden rain without my full rain gear.
I've never opened the package but it was given away outside the stadium by local radio before an NFL game so it either has Ravens on it or such-and-such station rocks.
That replaced the same cheapie style that I bummed from the security supervisor at a Nationals game one year and eventually used after a couple years in my bag. |
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Ed Hyde, Photographer
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Big Rapids | MI | USA | Posted: 9:48 PM on 04.25.10 |
| ->> I shoot for a University and I would never wear their logo while shooting. To my way of thinking it is not professional. |
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Louis Lopez, Photographer
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Fontana | CA | USA | Posted: 11:10 PM on 04.25.10 |
->> "->> I shoot for a University and I would never wear their logo while shooting. To my way of thinking it is not professional."
Ed,
Why not? you are shooting for the school. The coaches, Athletic directors, PR people are all working for the school and wear the school colors/shirts with logos so why not you?
Just trying to see what your reasonong on this is.
Seems silly to me to go out of your way to not, wear clothing with the school logos and colors. Perhaps I am overlooking something simple.
At USC and UCLA games I see all the photographers employed by the school wearing shirts and jackets with the school colors and logos.
I could see your reasoning if you are with the AP, or Icon etc...trying to be impartial, but your employed by the school. |
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Willis Glassgow, Photo Editor, Photographer
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Florence | SC | USA | Posted: 8:16 AM on 04.26.10 |
->> We shoot for several universities across the country and I wear a t-shirt or sweat shirt for the university I am covering that day, EVERY TIME I cover a game. Sometimes, when I am covering for both teams, I will wear one schools' shirt in the first half and the other schools' shirt in the second half. At a basketball tournament a few years back, I had a whole stack of t-shirts at my work station with all the schools represented. It's totally for fun of course. The reason why I think it is OK to wear a shirt for the team you are covering, is we are NOT impartial. We are shooting for the school, which is also our client. Not for a newspaper or agency. NOW....with that being said, I do not cheer, or outwardly root for any of my clients. In fact, I almost never show any emotion at ANY game EVER. That IS unprofessional and I will be the first to say so.
On another point.....I would NEVER show up at a Clemson event wearing a South Carolina anything on or vice versa. That is totally taboo. Even if I had to get wet, I would never wear it. I would protect the gear however, but turn the poncho inside out so no one could see the logo. I'm sure the rivalry in SoCal is pretty intense, so I understand where this is coming from. |
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Sam Santilli, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Philippi | WV | USA | Posted: 12:35 PM on 04.26.10 |
->> I have known coaches (football mostly) who will not let any one with the opposing team's clothing on his sideline, behind the bench, etc. With all of the GWC's out there, and the GWC's are almost always jock stiffing homers, I can not argue with the coaches' choice to police their sideline.
Go nuetral or go home. |
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Jeff Lewis, Photographer
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Long Beach | CA | USA | Posted: 1:36 PM on 04.26.10 |
->> I'm wondering if she even knew it said "Fight On."
Sometimes people who shoot for newspapers are not as big a sports fan as some of us are and just doing a job for that day. Could it be possible that at an SC event, somebody gave her a poncho in a small plastic bag and she kept it in her camera bag for a rainy day? It just so happens that that rainy day happened to be at a UCLA practice.
If the person is who I think it is, she is a very nice person and really does not know or get into the whole rivalry thing. Its unfortunate that she made it onto the LA Times blog but I don't think she really knew it was on her back, she was probably just making sure she was dry.
Jeff |
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Erik Markov, Photographer
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Kokomo | IN | | Posted: 2:14 PM on 04.26.10 |
| ->> as long as we're critiquing here, what about the crappy photo? Yea yea, its taken by a pencil pusher, but still i hope he writes better than he photographs. I think this is kind of a non-issue in the grand scheme, it is practice not a Saturday afternoon game in front of 100,000. I've taken some images (particularly recently with the tea party events) that kind of made fun of some participants. They did show up to the event that way, I didn't misrepresent it. But still editors decided not to use b/c we didn't want to be mean. How is this different, because its a photographer/journalist? Seems like this writer needs to try to find better topics to write about and skip the low hanging fruit. |
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John Green, Photographer, Photo Editor
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BAY AREA | CA | | Posted: 2:32 PM on 04.26.10 |
->> OMG........who cares what he or she wears...
so I guess if I cover a Giants game and I wear a Giants ball cap it is un-professional... but if I wear a Giants ball cap to an A's game, it's okay? Or is the answer I should never wear a baseball cap with any team logo to a game I am working?
This is all poppycock as there are so many more important issues we should be concerned about in our world. |
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Bob Ford, Photographer
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Lehighton | Pa | USA | Posted: 2:48 PM on 04.26.10 |
->> "Or is the answer I should never wear a baseball cap with any team logo to a game I am working?"
That's what I was taught. |
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Mark J. Terrill, Photographer
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Simi Valley | CA | USA | Posted: 2:49 PM on 04.26.10 |
->> John,
I agree that there are more important issues, but that sort of "Poppycock" could get me suspended or fired. It's simply unprofessional. If you claim to be a photojournalist, as you say you do on your site, then you should act and dress professionally. That also means that you shouldn't be cheering from the sidelines as I've seen many do at events as big as the Final Four. Otherwise don't complain when you're treated in a less professional manner than the writers.
Mark |
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David Manning, Photographer
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Athens | GA | | Posted: 2:51 PM on 04.26.10 |
->> I feel it is an important issue.
Its about perceived bias, not whether you are biased at all. Sadly, the average person will judge you and how you go about covering your sports assignment based on the team colors you are wearing.
For example, i had a sports editor call me out because i was wearing my red Phillies hat to a Georgia game. Not because of the team but because it was the same colors and people would misconstrue my independence and objectivity. Needless to say, i've moved onto the green Phillies hat.
Its about professionalism and objectivity. While you and i can sit here and say that we can be objective no matter what color hat we wear, the average person doesn't make that distinction. And those are the people who buy our newspapers and magazines. |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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->> I have proudly worn my Red Sox hat to games at Yankee Stadium ...
...that said I do not wear any sports logos when covering sports for an editorial client. I know many news photogs who cover the Patriots that wear Pats hats or sweatshirts. Even when I covered the Sox I didn't wear my hat to the games...usually a SportsShooter hat could be found on my head. |
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Mike Janes, Photographer
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Attica | NY | USA | Posted: 2:59 PM on 04.26.10 |
->> Pretty much everything I have (jackets, hats, etc) are of teams/companies I'm affiliated with. One team I shoot for is a Cardinals affiliate, but since I always cover both teams I never wear my Cardinals jacket unless the camera is put away and I'm in the stands (usually try to bring a neutral jacket but if I don't I'm not freezing my backside off for no reason). Silently in my head I may be rooting for them but not trying to show it through what I do or wear. Now it'd be different if just shooting for them alone, the college I shoot for would have no problem wearing their stuff because I don't leave with one photo of the other team.
It's like old concert thing, you never wear a band shirt of the band you're going to see. |
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Jeff Lewis, Photographer
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Long Beach | CA | USA | Posted: 3:02 PM on 04.26.10 |
->> When I started out in this business, I used to wear something that said Dodgers, 49ers, Lakers, Yankees, etc., but it became very clear very quick that that was unprofessional. I am a huge sports fan but my allegiance to my teams should not be seen by others while working.
Somebody several years ago said to invest in lots of branded hats to wear to games or get some free ones from Golf and Tennis events. Nike hats, Adidas hats, Reebok hats, and polo shirts. Now, the only 49er logo is on my car.
That statement was so useful to me in my life, I even started dressing better and not advertising for teams with my chest or head when I was not working. People now seem to take me more seriously because my dress is better.
Jeff |
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D. Ross Cameron, Photographer
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Oakland | CA | USA | Posted: 3:46 PM on 04.26.10 |
->> I wear an Orioles cap when I cover baseball games -- except when one of the two teams in question is (you guessed it) the Orioles.
Anybody wants to call me on that, please feel free. Forgive me if I hang up without saying "Adios."
Poppycock, and stay thirsty, my friends,
DRC |
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Eugene P. Tanner, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Honolulu | HI | USA | Posted: 3:57 PM on 04.26.10 |
| ->> One thing I really don't like seeing are photographers getting roasted on the SportsShooter message boards. But it happens. The majority of those that do get roasted deserve it. In this case this photographer should have exercised better judgement. Take it easy gang. I know each and everyone of you and me have made bad decisions while out on the field. I know this photographer and she is a really nice person and one heck of a photographer. What I admire about her the most is she always keeps trying even when those closes to her keep pushing her down... She may not be the best sports photographer but when she shows up for a game she gives it her 110% everytime. Thanks Jeff Lewis for your remarks. I believe what you said is true... |
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Diego James Robles, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Athens | OH | U.S. | Posted: 4:05 PM on 04.26.10 |
->> I'm going to have to disagree with the Big Kahuna on this one. I think many of the SoCal people know who this is, especially since the blog says it's a The Orange County Register staffer.
I don't think wearing that poncho or whatever it is to a UCLA practice is a good idea. It's a practice and what other people have said about simply grabbing rain gear makes sense to me.
I know this person and although she likes sports, I don't know if she cares about rivalries when shooting practice, in the rain. I think it would have been a way bigger deal if she wore UCLA colors to a USC football practice.
Anyway, not a good idea or anything I would do but to be in the Los Angeles Times blog and singled out, I don't think it's very fair. And I have to agree with Jeff B. on this one, many of the Columbus and Central Ohio shooters are ridiculous when it comes to shooting the Buckeyes. |
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Primoz Jeroncic, Photographer
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Kranj | SI | Slovenia | Posted: 4:14 PM on 04.26.10 |
->> For Christs sake guys. It's wrong to wear rain coat which you got from somewhere for free? It's not professional? Ok I guess I'm from other side of pond, where we have a bit different point of view to things which are professional and things which just doesn't matter. But wearing rain coat you got somewhere and staying dry has very little to do with being professional. But if someone think, this is not professional, it's their own choice to be wet. Personally I never have problems wearing "rain" coat I got from certain national ski team, even if it has all team logos, flags and sponsors on. It keeps me dry and warm. Is it professional? As long as I'm dry and warm, and as long as I deliver photos I'm paid for, I really don't care about what rain coat I'm having on.
But then again, it is professional to have Canon/Nikon all over lens hoods, and I guess we all still remember frantic search (also here on SS) for those freebie CPS monopod sleeves. It's professional to use free Lowepro bags they were giving our in Vancouver etc.? Using those is professional, while using some other freebie is not? |
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Jim Colburn, Photo Editor, Photographer
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McAllen | TX | USA | Posted: 4:28 PM on 04.26.10 |
->> Free poncho from another gig. Rain starts. Put on poncho.
I see no problem here. The original blogger is a ass trying to stir up non-existent controversy. |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 4:51 PM on 04.26.10 |
| ->> As a policy, I try and be aware of what both team's color's are when I cover a game and not wear either color. that said...I once thought I knew the team colors of the opposition one night during a basketball game and got there and realized I had goofed and was wearing a shirt that was, shall we say, not neutral at all. I took a lot of good natured ribbing from evryone that knew me including the head coach and the SID, but I was more than mortified I had done it. but not knowing who this is and wondering since it hardly ever rains in socal (except when I'm there) if I had been caught in a rainstorm and my gear was going to get damaged from said rainstorm I would have used whatever was at hand. that's not unprofessional, it's common sense. |
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John Green, Photographer, Photo Editor
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BAY AREA | CA | | Posted: 5:00 PM on 04.26.10 |
->> Right on Jim...
darn it.... I just wish Mark had informed me about being a professional before those hundreds of games I have covered in my photojournalism career even though I have not always worn a ball cap, a couple of times I wore a cowboy hat and got booed for that .... go figure. Just kidding about wearing the western hat... I only wear those when i cover a rodeo |
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Alex Jones, Photographer, Assistant
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Quincy | MA | USA | Posted: 5:29 PM on 04.26.10 |
->> In the words of a very wise SI photog:
Wear pro to college. Wear college to pro. |
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Mark J. Terrill, Photographer
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Simi Valley | CA | USA | Posted: 6:12 PM on 04.26.10 |
->> John,
My post wasn't meant to be a slam on you or the photographer in question. I tend to agree that it was probably a mistake or an emergency on the photographer's part. On the other hand she could have had something that she had purchased without a logo on it on hand. People can wear whatever they want. I'm just saying that after 28 years doing this I've seen the negative reaction from employers and PR people to this kind of thing. I've also seen how the unprofessionalism of others effects me and that's why I speak up.
Mark |
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John Green, Photographer, Photo Editor
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BAY AREA | CA | | Posted: 7:13 PM on 04.26.10 |
| ->> I understand where you are coming from Mark and agree with most of what you have to say. Photographers cheering on the sidelines always seems to bother me! |
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N. Scott Trimble, Photographer
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Lake Oswego | OR | USA | Posted: 7:45 PM on 04.26.10 |
->> I kinda look at it as shooting a civil war reenactment. I have to look the part to get close enough to shoot what I want, so I dress up too, short of bringing out a 200lb view camera that is.
I have no problem wearing what the team colors are, it let's me do my job while being somewhat invisible, or just wear something neutral so no one is offended. I expect you are asking for trouble and therefore disrupting the environment by wearing something controversial.
Photography 102–dress for the event. |
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David Shea, Photographer
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Riverside | CA | USA | Posted: 7:47 PM on 04.26.10 |
->> Freebie poncho...provocative slogan (to UCLA)...raining...Solution: Next time turn the poncho inside out!
I honestly don't think she would have worn that poncho if she understood the bitter rivalry between the schools. Hopefully it's a learning experience for her.
As far as being a professional journalist, think of it this way, if a journalist shows up at the Democratic convention wearing a Republican t-shirt and hat, guess which journalist will be considered the clown at the party.
To paraphrase Mark, if you want people to take you seriously, then you need to act seriously. That includes how you act and how you dress. There are too many instances where we are already overcoming a perception of bias without us actually wearing it on our sleeves. |
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Darren Whitley, Photographer
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Northwest Missouri | MO | USA | Posted: 8:53 PM on 04.26.10 |
| ->> I guess you had to be there. I don't think it matters unless you pick sides like Fox News. I'm not a fan or either team so I could care less. Proximity impairs judgement. |
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Jack Howard, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Central Jersey | NJ | USA | Posted: 8:41 AM on 04.27.10 |
->> I agree with the title of this thread.
It IS an awfully composed and exposed shot by a sports beat writer instead of an underpaid staff or freelance photographer. Isn't that the real tragedy here?
~~~~~
Guess you can't ever really predict with 100% accuracy the way a wolfpack is going to react. |
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John Howley, Photographer
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Circleville | OH | USA | Posted: 9:09 AM on 04.27.10 |
| ->> I wonder if there was anything USC-related on the front of the poncho or if the photographer even knew there was something on the back. |
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G.J. McCarthy, Photographer
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Dallas | TX | US | Posted: 9:21 AM on 04.27.10 |
->> Man, you guys are strict. I mean, am I the only one who likes to dress up like the team's rival mascot when I'm shooting a game? It makes kids and fans happy, usually gets me free (or better) parking, and it's normally never too challenging an attire to work in. Well, except for back when I used to shoot Nebraska playing Mizzou. You know how hard it is to hold a 400 steady when you're dressed like Lil' Red!?
And on a random side note, I always thought "poppycock" was the name of that popcorn stuff. But, when I looked it up on the Internet, apparently it's an anglicized form of the Dutch word for diarrhea. Gross!! Thanks a lot, Wikipedia, for ruining yet another delicious snack.
- gerry - |
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Wally Skalij, Assistant
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Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 12:36 PM on 04.27.10 |
->> Jim,
So you think their is nothing wrong with wearing a poncho with a team logo on it? Did you know she was asked to leave to the practice field because of it? Imagine coming back to your boss and telling him the reason you have no photos.
Wally |
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Nick Adams, Photographer
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Lynchburg | VA | | Posted: 12:45 PM on 04.27.10 |
| ->> Well, I searched (ocregister.com) and found the photos that went along with the Bruins spring practice... Even if she was asked to leave, she or another photographer got photos. |
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Wally Skalij, Assistant
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Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 1:02 PM on 04.27.10 |
| ->> Well I guess your missing the point Nick, your representing a distinguished news organization and sporting your favorite teams colors. What if she was asked to leave at the beginning of practice only to come back with no photos not to mention the chance of never covering a practice again. |
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Nick Adams, Photographer
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Lynchburg | VA | | Posted: 1:50 PM on 04.27.10 |
| ->> I get your point. I was just saying she did get the photos... |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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->> Who else finds it completely wrong for a University/Pro-Team/Business to ask someone to leave for a slogan or logo on their clothing?
I know it may be 'SO wrong' but if its raining and the photog pulls out whatever rain gear they have, it really isn't a big deal. Being asked to leave and an SID being offended is just wrong, esspecially if it is an honest error. |
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Kevin German, Photographer
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Ho Chi Minh City | Vietnam | | Posted: 2:40 PM on 04.27.10 |
| ->> The amount of people who think this is ok is slightly disturbing. Your background is your background ... no idea if you have journalistic training or not. But if you are considered a member of the media then your job is to be carried out impartially. Clothes are seen as statements. If you wear something to an event that has anything to do with that said event, then you are stating an opinion. Plain and simple. It's a bigger deal than some may think. Credibility is our ace in the hole. Don't let that go. |
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Wally Skalij, Assistant
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Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 2:56 PM on 04.27.10 |
->> Nick,
Did she really get the photos she needed judging from the website?
I know this photographer and I would bet it was an honest mistake and she didn't realize the consequences.
I think Kevin German is right on the money. |
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Nick Adams, Photographer
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Lynchburg | VA | | Posted: 3:04 PM on 04.27.10 |
->> I have no idea. I'm just saying she was able to get some photos before leaving.
I don't think its right to show any logos while working. I wear plain shirts without any logos what so ever, I don't have bummer stickers on my car, I don't give money to any political party nor even have a pref on facebook. |
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David A. Cantor, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Toledo | OH | USA | Posted: 4:07 PM on 04.27.10 |
| ->> Nick...that's a drag about those "bummer stickers" |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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->> Cantor
My Bummer Sticker simply reads "I Know A Curmudgeon" |
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Louis Lopez, Photographer
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Fontana | CA | USA | Posted: 5:04 PM on 04.27.10 |
->> If you are employed as a photographer for the university/team then wearing logos or team colors is okay.
If you are there as a photographer representing a news media organization then stay neutral.
Sounds simple enough. |
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Jim Colburn, Photo Editor, Photographer
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McAllen | TX | USA | Posted: 5:11 PM on 04.27.10 |
->> I refuse to wear a hat with a logo when I play golf.
If Nike or Callaway want me to advertise their products so badly they can damn well pay me... |
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Rose Palmisano, Photographer
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Santa Ana | Ca | USA | Posted: 6:29 PM on 04.27.10 |
->> Since some of you have been having a field day with this, let me, the photographer wearing that dreadful poncho, respond. First, I bought the thing at a garage sale for fifty cents. I didn’t even realize it had the USC slogan. I agree, it was an unfortunate wardrobe choice but it wasn’t intentional. I never wear team logos on purpose. That said, does it not bother anyone that a fellow media member was so quick to embarrass another in such a public forum? The story not only ran in the blog but also in the newspaper.
I’ve seen this crowd mentality before from journalists. We love to kick each other when we’re down. Thank you to those who gave me the benefit of the doubt. To the rest of you, move along. There is nothing more to see here. |
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