| Sign in: |
| Members log in here with your user name and password to access the your admin page and other special features. |
|
|
|
|
|| SportsShooter.com: Member Message Board
Photoshop CS5; drink the kool-aid
Phil Hawkins, Photographer
|
Alan Herzberg, Photographer
 |
Elm Grove | WI | USA | Posted: 7:18 AM on 04.13.10 |
->> Ha! I seem to remember a few posts from Phil on the installation of an early iteration of Photoshop.
I'll probably jump right in the water and download the CS5 suite the day it becomes available. The new features look amazing and a price of $199 to upgrade is irresistible. A digital siren call.
I resisted upgrading from CS3 to CS4, but CS5 seems to be a huge leap forward. Content aware filling and healing (a/k/a "the watermark removal tool"), new camera raw processing engine, new selection tools, and more. I'm more excited about this new software than any I can remember.
Plus, what could go wrong? |
|
Anantachai Brown, Photographer
|
Jacksonville | FL | | Posted: 7:55 AM on 04.13.10 |
->> i tell ya...jumping from cs3 to cs4 was a waste for me. for some reason if i'm using the stamp or eraser tool, sometimes a random streak would occur all the way across the screen. it would be the same width size as the tool I'm using but the streak is random. at first i thought it may be my video card or using two monitors, but its not. it also occurs while i'm using my laptop screen. cs4 has been a very aggravating upgrade to say the least.
this phenomenon does not occur while i'm using CS3. |
|
Randy Abrams, Photographer
|
Bath | NY | US | Posted: 9:36 AM on 04.13.10 |
| ->> I'll be making the leap once they start shipping. The new content-aware and selection controls make it worth it alone for me. As I shoot mainly for print sales (not editorial) the (hopeful) time savings of removing a garbage can or bench or something in the background of a picture will make it worth while. |
|
Jack Howard, Photographer, Photo Editor
|
Central Jersey | NJ | USA | Posted: 9:42 AM on 04.13.10 |
->> Me.
I've been working in CS5 beta builds since last year.
I am really impressed with this version's overhauls, upgrades, and additions. |
|
Eric Canha, Photographer
|
Brockton | MA | United States | Posted: 10:10 AM on 04.13.10 |
| ->> Well I won't be first but I'm sure that I'll convert by the fall. Just too many tools that can be used for my senior shoots to not make the jump. |
|
Jim Colburn, Photo Editor, Photographer
|
McAllen | TX | USA | Posted: 10:13 AM on 04.13.10 |
| ->> Never buy Version One (or any Version X.0) of anything. |
|
Butch Miller, Photographer
|
Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 10:29 AM on 04.13.10 |
->> I too have been working with the betas of CS5. I held off on CS4 because it was not 64 bit for Mac. I must say the speed and performance for several heavy duty tasks is much improved.
I know there are a lot of tools offered in CS5 that are of little need or interest to photojournalists and sports shooters, but the content aware healing brush is a godsend for retouching portraits, especially severe acne or Rosacea for HS seniors.
The quick selection brush is much more quicker in creating a selection, and more accurate while the improvements for refine selection make it almost unnecessary for a third party plugin to create cutouts of athletes for posters or special projects.
Not to mention all the updates to the RAW conversion engine in ACR 6 as well as superb noise reduction ... I know there has been a lot of hype about many questionable features for our line of work, however, CS5 offers quite a bit more than content aware fill and puppet warp. And the last several builds have been nearly bug free and extremely stable .... at least for me ... It should be a solid app at shipping time. |
|
Sam Morris, Photographer
|
Henderson (Las Vegas) | NV | USA | Posted: 12:22 PM on 04.13.10 |
| ->> Any word on the feature photojournalists need most: spellcheck? |
|
Phil Hawkins, Photographer
|
Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 1:42 PM on 04.13.10 |
| ->> All I can say is those of you using the beta version of CS5 have steel balls. After what happened with folks who did that on CS3 (or was it CS4; I've purged the horror from my consciousness) you'd think people would tread very carefully. Given the previous debacle, a cursory warning is warranted; be afraid, be very afraid when you go to install the final. (Strangely, I'm hearing the theme from "Jaws"... oh, and now the music from the shower scene in "Psycho"... wow, and now; the theme from "Alien") |
|
Eric Canha, Photographer
|
Brockton | MA | United States | Posted: 1:55 PM on 04.13.10 |
->> Phil I remember your issue and MINE too. Some may even remember my "Adobe Sucks" thread. Within hours of that thread I had one of the programmers at Adobe contact me directly. Within 72 hours I was up and running.
Jim I am not aware of point releases of CS so while I might hold off for a month or 2 waiting for CS5.1 might mean waiting until CS6 ;) |
|
Butch Miller, Photographer
|
Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 2:00 PM on 04.13.10 |
->> Phil ... how else can you beta test a program? If you are asked to be a tester you know the risks going in ... I didn't use the preview version for production work under deadline ... only testing booted from an external drive setup specifically for the situation. It's not very thoughtful to assume we tested blindly or without consideration of the potential pitfalls ....
If everyone had that attitude, how would developers be made aware of possible bugs, problems and shortfalls in the engineering? Better that beta testers discover this and not paying customers ... which is why I think Adobe offered CS5 to a broader base of beta testers using a myriad of system configurations ... so you wouldn't have to experience the pain of the discovery of problems after you laid out your hard-earned cash.
This by no means is an indication that the final release of PSCS5 will be perfect, no application ever is .... but I do think one will be very close .... |
|
Phil Hawkins, Photographer
|
Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 2:21 PM on 04.13.10 |
| ->> I'm not disparaging the concept of beta testing, the necessity is obvious. But what you have not done yet is install the final over the beta, which brought my system to it's knees, costing several hundred dollars, much time and loss of data. This is what you cannot predict. Given Adobe's track record on this, I'd just be very careful, that's all. It's interesting to note that in all the summaries of improvements and updates (see link above), nothing was mentioned about an improved/safer beta-to-final installation process. I remain dubious. |
|
Jim Colburn, Photo Editor, Photographer
|
McAllen | TX | USA | Posted: 2:25 PM on 04.13.10 |
->> "I am not aware of point releases of CS"
I'm working with Photoshop 10.0.1 (CS3) right now. |
|
Israel Shirk, Photographer, Assistant
|
Boise | ID | US | Posted: 2:31 PM on 04.13.10 |
->> Here's where you went wrong, Phil:
You installed the final over the beta! And you didn't have the previous version either!
You never, ever, EVER do that with ANYTHING!
Not just software with bad track records - if Firefox has an issue, I can just go straight to my backup copy. If Photo Mechanic has a problem during an upgrade, I can just go straight to my backup copy. If my power goes out during an upgrade, I can go to a backup copy. No software is ever perfect, and there are always bugs in every software package (even OpenBSD had a security hole once!)... To expect perfection is no different from asking you to take the perfect photo. It's just not going to happen.
You always at least keep your old copy nice and happy and even have it backed up too, so you can use it if the need arises. Not to do so is... (insert adjective here) |
|
Butch Miller, Photographer
|
Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 2:43 PM on 04.13.10 |
->> "But what you have not done yet is install the final over the beta"
That is why the beta was installed and used on a separate external bootable drive ... therefore there is no need to install over the beta ... all I will need to do is make a clean install of the final release on my normal working boot drive ... after it has been backed up of course .... if there is a problem, it takes very little time to bring everything back to a state prior to the install.
Adobe went to great lengths to warn testers against using the betas on a system otherwise .... they even had a great guide and tools for uninstalling old builds in order to install new builds which helped avoid many problems caused during such a process ... worked quite nicely ... some developers do learn from history ... |
|
Phil Hawkins, Photographer
|
Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 3:29 PM on 04.13.10 |
->> As I say, Butch, I suspect that Adobe has learned a great deal from previous experience, so none of this surprises me. However, none of this was in place previously.
Israel, great information, but how was I supposed to know? (i.e., what the heck is "OpenBSD"?) Adobe gave no warnings of what you perceive to be basic knowledge about beta usage. If this is such basic information, why did Adobe not provide adequate instructions to it's beta users BEFORE we ever went down that road? These are all academic questions at this point, however. I USE software and in doing so can only rely on the developers' instructions on it's installation and trust that the developers have provided procedures that have been thought out and tested. Sadly, previously, such was not the case. |
|
Larry Lawson, Photographer
|
Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 6:15 PM on 04.13.10 |
->> As a systems admin (among other things), I can't stand Adobe's customer service or their licensing division, and unfortunately I have to support their software and use it. That leaves me with a distaste whenever an 'upgrade' comes along.
That said, while we got CS4 in and I saw how things worked, I wouldn't upgrade at the house. It seems that wasn't too long ago either... so with CS FIVE getting bantered about, I'm going to let the company absorb the shock of the upgrade and see how it goes before I thing about an upgrade at the house. CS3 still works great for me, although some automation features would be helpful.
btw - openbsd was rock solid, but can you find an adobe product to run on it? :D |
|
Scott A. Schneider, Photographer
|
Minneapolis | MN | USA | Posted: 11:33 PM on 04.13.10 |
| ->> I'm still using CS2; will I be able to upgrade directly to CS5? |
|
Delane B. Rouse, Photographer, Photo Editor
|
N. Scott Trimble, Photographer
|
Lake Oswego | OR | USA | Posted: 2:07 AM on 04.14.10 |
| ->> I will probably be getting CS5, currently being on CS3 and tired of not opening up in Photoshop from Lightroom like I would like to. Although, with the impending lawsuit Adobe plans to file against Apple, I am trying to figure out at the moment if I need to start thinking PC, or expect Apple to come out with their version of Photoshop to work with Aperture? |
|
Thomas Boyd, Photographer
|
Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 2:55 AM on 04.14.10 |
->> Scott:
http://gizmodo.com/5516077/rumor-adobe-prepping-lawsuit-against-apple
Can you explain what a rumored lawsuit concerning the updated SDK that was released with the iPhone 4.0 dev kit has to do with you switching to PC and hoping Apple comes out with their version of Photoshop to work with Aperture?
I haven't read anything like that anywhere. I'm not following. |
|
N. Scott Trimble, Photographer
|
Lake Oswego | OR | USA | Posted: 12:56 PM on 04.14.10 |
->> Thomas,
Its been brewing for awhile, and came to a head with CS5 announcement, and friends at NAB talking about it. This is the article I think you mentioned:
http://www.itworld.com/legal/104320/adobe-vs-apple-going-get-uglier
Right now, I haven't HEARD that Adobe would pull out of anything, and I do find it unlikely, but with the way Apple is treating them, I can see it happening. My comment is of course, circumspect, and a result of a particularly grumpy week (taxes and all) Anybody here picture Steve Jobs as the Soup Nazi?
If there is a lawsuit, and seeing as how Apple has openly stated that it is gearing its audience base more towards gamers and wider consumers, as opposed to students, educators and creatives in the past, I can see them coming up with a Photoshop product to compete against and even perhaps offer as an only solution if they part ways with them.
I think it would be a dumb idea, and there might be legal hurdles concerning monopolization, but if the relations between the two become so strained that we are left sidelined by software that delays operationally to the competition and support fixes are slow, then yes, I would have to consider changing platforms. if there is a better option to Flash, then I say "Adobe, move on and adopt a better platform" But if Apple once again wants to set up an island against the stream for the sake of it (they did that in the 90's and almost got sunk) then I certainly don't want to be stuck on that island as everything flows onward.
Might be smoke monsters there...: ) |
|
Shawn Lynch, Photographer
|
New York | New York | USA | Posted: 1:08 PM on 04.14.10 |
->> I'm making the jump all the from Photoshop 7, to CS5. I bought a new laptop a while back, got my A3, now I need some photoshop and maybe a new Photo Mechanic too...
Can't wait to have all the new tools! It's going to be so refreshing.
I can see many uses for all the new tools I do and the various types of photography I do as well. |
|
Return to --> Message Board Main Index
|