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Will iPad lead you to redesign your website?
Will Schneekloth, Student/Intern, Photographer
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New Brunswick | NJ | USA | Posted: 3:24 AM on 04.02.10 |
->> The title says it, but does the fact that the iPad doesn't support flash have anyone considering a redesign of their flash website?
I personally had been really impressed by the prospect of integrating my Photoshelter account with a Graph Paper Press blog design, and pulled the trigger yesterday and have been working on porting over. That said, I still have been using the Photoshelter embeddable flash galleries to make my new portfolio pages on the GPP blog.
Any good suggestions out there for non-flash gallery solutions? It looks like Jack Gruber has a mix of html and flash galleries on his GPP website, specifically his Olympic sections are html while his "War" and "News" galleries are flash. I'm not partial to flash apart from how easy it is to embed a simple and clean gallery from Photoshelter. |
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Svein Ove Ekornesvaag, Photographer
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Aalesund | Møre og Romsdal | Norway | Posted: 6:17 AM on 04.02.10 |
->> Well, I hope the iPad will lead the consumers to not accept this BS. Does the average guy or girl know what they are buying? I guess a lot of people will be surprised when they come home, turn the iPad on and then try to enter their favourite website only to find out that it's not supported.
If Apple is lucky people will believe that it's something wrong with the website and not the iPad..
The competitors will for sure make similar devices very soon and I bet they will support flash. |
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Kent Nishimura, Student/Intern
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Honolulu | HI | USA | Posted: 9:24 AM on 04.02.10 |
| ->> svein, that...or Apple will possibly strongarm content producers to adapt their vidoes to HTML5 for iPad/iPhone playback... |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 9:25 AM on 04.02.10 |
| ->> We changed our photo galleries about a year ago because a lot of people are moving away from flash based systems. now folks with a wifi enabled ipod touch or an iphone can look at the galleries... I think you can just chalk this up as technology changing. |
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Landon Finch, Photographer
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Colorado Springs | CO | USA | Posted: 9:56 AM on 04.02.10 |
->> I agree with Svein...I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they figure out Flash sites don't work. This has been touted as a web appliance and a lot of the web is flash based or has flash elements. Something doesn't compute there.
I have not specifically set out to get rid of flash on my sites, but some recent decisions I've made regarding my websites will naturally lead me away from flash or at least the flash elements will have a non-flash work around that the viewer won't even notice. |
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Svein Ove Ekornesvaag, Photographer
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Aalesund | Møre og Romsdal | Norway | Posted: 9:59 AM on 04.02.10 |
->> The technology is changing for sure. But this is more a question about principles, not just about flash itself. It reminds me more about censoring and user control than technology changing.
If Apple don't like this or that app, technology or website content they can block it and the consumer just has to deal with it or throw away the iPad. |
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Butch Miller, Photographer
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Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 10:07 AM on 04.02.10 |
->> I will likely be modifying my site to make it more mobile friendly. Many web designers are showing a preference for JQuuery Javascript solutions over flash based solutions for site design ... still has many of the thrills without excessive coding ... and much less processor intensive ... which I think is the problem Apple has with Flash on their mobile devices ... Flash just wants to hog resources aplenty ...
Once HTML5 is implemented ... much of this situation is moot ....
Also, according to the Apple site ... there is a dedicated function for YouTube and there is a rumor of this:
http://www.powerpage.org/2010/04/01/rumor-hulu-may-offer-all-you-can-eat-su.../
and some have adapted already:
http://www.powerpage.org/2010/04/02/abc-cbs-to-have-ipad-compatible-content.../
So internet streaming video on the iPad/iPod/iPhone is possible ... just not so much via a Flash player it seems. |
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Clark Brooks, Photo Editor, Photographer
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Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 10:15 AM on 04.02.10 |
->> "...Apple will possibly strongarm content producers to adapt..."
May be Adobe will drop or negotiate a lower licensing fee for the code necessary to smoothly integrate flash into the OS/browser code that Apple has developed. |
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Tim Gruber, Photographer
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New York | NY | USA | Posted: 10:29 AM on 04.02.10 |
->> My wife and I just launched our new team website and in designing the site made sure everything was mobile and social media friendly. So that meant doing away with flash completely.
Our photo galleries no longer use flash and mobile friendly versions of our videos are also available now.
http://ackermangruber.com/ - If you'd like to give it a peak.
The iPhone and the lack of support for Flash was a big factor in going Flash free but so was having a site that was more SEO friendly.
7 million people tried to download Flash to their iPhones/Touch devices in December alone. - http://www.tuaw.com/2010/02/10/7-million-iphone-and-ipod-touch-users-tried-.../
It should be interesting to see how things play out. |
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Joshua Brown, Photographer
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Israel Shirk, Photographer, Assistant
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Boise | ID | US | Posted: 12:37 PM on 04.02.10 |
| ->> The number of people hitting my site even from an iphone is significantly less than those using IE 5. |
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor
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San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 1:05 PM on 04.02.10 |
->> The tail is already wagging the dog. YouTube is in the process of converting all of its content to H.264. Vimeo also has non-Flash solutions.
--Mark |
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James Broome, Photographer
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Tampa | FL | US | Posted: 1:09 PM on 04.02.10 |
| ->> Yep. Flash is on the way out in a big way. (says the guy with the Flash website) |
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Robert Caplin, Photographer
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New York | NY | USA | Posted: 1:14 PM on 04.02.10 |
| ->> This weekend I'll be building a splash page that detects iPhone/iPad users which will redirect to my blog for the time being. But yes, I think a redesign of some sort is necessary. I have a feeling many more people will be browsing via iPad in the very near future. |
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Mike Greener, Photographer
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Fairfield | CA | USA | Posted: 5:22 PM on 04.02.10 |
->> Yeah I also am finishing up my second Graph Paper Press site. Currently you can view my Wedding site here:
http://www.greenervisuals.com
To get the slideshow look of flash ( aka as close as I could get) I used a wordpress plugin called NextGen gallery. You can view the link here:
http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/nextgen-gallery/
It's fairly customizable if you are savy with CSS. The best alternative I have found so far. |
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Israel Shirk, Photographer, Assistant
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Nate Ryan, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Northfield | MN | | Posted: 7:33 PM on 04.02.10 |
->> I just redesigned this winter, and made a conscious choice to avoid flash. I am using the javascript library JQuery, and the gallery interface Galleria. It definitely took me a while to learn all the technical programing to customize it, but in the end I am happy to have site I had control of from the ground up.
It loads quickly on my iPhone as well, hopefully it will work just as well with the iPad. |
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Christopher Park, Photographer
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San Diego | CA | United States | Posted: 9:18 PM on 04.02.10 |
->> When CS5 is released those of us with any flash based websites may be off the hook. One of the big features if flash CS5 is the ability to export to an .ipa file (ipad/iphone app). So, with a little finagling im betting there will be a way to handle a quick redesign an export your site as an ipa. Then possibly use this for a web-app. Only guessing though as I cant even test this out until CS5 is released. Fingers crossed!
http://www.cparkphotography.com |
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Baron Sekiya, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Hilo | HI | USA | Posted: 4:29 AM on 04.04.10 |
->> My site is pretty much iPhone/iPad friendly. I have a plugin WPtouch installed which detects if the device is a mobile device and delivers a mobile version of the site.
http://www.hawaii247.com
On the normal site our slideshow on the front page uses Javascript instead of flash so it works on the iPhone OS. Also I embed an iPhone/iPad friendly version of movies and slideshows alongside the Flash version.
Soundslides has an experimental Flash to .mp4 converter that works well for slideshows. http://video.soundslides.net/converter/
Because I built my site using WordPress it was pretty easy to publish for a number of clients. So we can be viewed on a computer, iPhone/iPad and also push out a Kindle version.
In the past I didn't use Adobe Flash and all of my movies were presented in QuickTime but Apple broke all my movies with Snow Leopard. The recent Snow Leopard update finally fixed QuickTime so it works again. |
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Jonathan Castner, Photographer
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Denver | CO | USA | Posted: 10:09 AM on 04.04.10 |
| ->> I'm curious what format the soundslide is going to take in an HTML5 world. How we are going to be able to do a simple embedding of an audio and still photography package for our web sites? Yeah we can output the things as a video file but the creation won't be as easy and for some not as flexible. No more self resizing slide shows and folios. Right? Does anyone know if HTML5 can self color profile like Flash does? |
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Svein Ove Ekornesvaag, Photographer
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Aalesund | Møre og Romsdal | Norway | Posted: 11:32 AM on 04.04.10 |
| ->> What about Silverlight, is that supported on the iPad? |
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor
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San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 3:16 PM on 04.04.10 |
->> Svein,
Silver-what?
--Mark |
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Daniel Putz, Photographer
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Israel Shirk, Photographer, Assistant
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Boise | ID | US | Posted: 5:35 PM on 04.04.10 |
->> Silverlight is Microsoft's version of Flash.
The basic issue with flash and other plugins not working with the ipad and iphone is that first, it's a different processor architecture, which means some reworking of things (usually not too bad), but moreso that Apple isn't allowing third-party plugins into its embedded browsers.
Honestly, I think it's a good thing long-term, as it will push people to use HTML/CSS and other standards-compliant stuff, rather than flash or silverlight, which are controlled by single companies (who expect more payment as time goes on...)
CSS3 support and other various technologies about to come out will really negate the use of flash and silverlight, also, as is the switch to H.264 many content publishers are making. |
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Clark Brooks, Photo Editor, Photographer
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Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 5:53 PM on 04.04.10 |
| ->> I'm not a mac guy, but I thought the Ipad browser was safari. Doesn't flash work in safari? |
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Israel Shirk, Photographer, Assistant
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Boise | ID | US | Posted: 6:25 PM on 04.04.10 |
| ->> Safari is built on webkit, which is the underlying rendering engine. They all share webkit and a similar look and feel, but aren't quite the same as the safari browser. |
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David Manning, Photographer
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Athens | GA | | Posted: 6:31 PM on 04.04.10 |
| ->> Okay, i need to do more freelance to hire someone to take care of this stuff for me. |
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor
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San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 2:06 AM on 04.05.10 |
->> Daniel/Israel,
My posting about Silverlight was tongue-in-cheek.
--Mark |
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Michael Troutman, Photographer
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Carmel | CA | USA | Posted: 4:35 AM on 04.05.10 |
| ->> Silver halide? ;0) |
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Israel Shirk, Photographer, Assistant
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Boise | ID | US | Posted: 10:08 AM on 04.05.10 |
| ->> Sad... I'll go back to the nerdtorium now... |
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Eric Canha, Photographer
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Brockton | MA | United States | Posted: 11:24 AM on 04.05.10 |
| ->> So this means that none of my Soundslides slide shows work??? Wonderful. |
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