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advice on monitors
Greg Foster, Photographer
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Atlanta | GA | | Posted: 10:05 AM on 03.23.10 |
| ->> I'm looking for advice on a good monitor...does anybody have any input on Dell, Apple, Eizo, or any others that are working particularly well for you? |
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Bob Ford, Photographer
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Lehighton | Pa | USA | Posted: 10:20 AM on 03.23.10 |
| ->> I use a Dell 24 inch and love it. The last time this was brought up there were a lot of people using the same monitor, and I don't remember one negative review. |
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Kirby Yau, Photographer, Assistant
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San Diego | CA | USA | Posted: 11:04 AM on 03.23.10 |
->> Bob is referring to the Dell 24" UltraSharp U2410 LCD Monitor. It's an IPS panel versus the cheaper TN Panel that Dell also makes, so don't be confused.
I've had an older Dell 20" Ultrasharp for Five years now and it's still going strong. |
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Jesse Jones, Photographer
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Ponte Vedra Beach | Fl | USA | Posted: 11:15 AM on 03.23.10 |
->> You definently do not want any monitors with a TN Panel. This site is a good resource to find out what type of panel is in the monitor you are loking at:
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/
I grabbed a NEC on close out that was on their reccomendation list for graphics monitors and it is stellar. Has a 96% Adobe RGB Color Gamut and maintains it calibration really well. |
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James Broome, Photographer
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Max Gersh, Photographer, Photo Editor
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New Castle | IN | USA | Posted: 12:17 PM on 03.23.10 |
->> James, your link goes to the standard Dell 24". Here is the link to the UltraSharp:
http://tinyurl.com/yacwsgz |
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Randy Abrams, Photographer
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Bath | NY | US | Posted: 12:23 PM on 03.23.10 |
| ->> I'm another one using the Dell U2410. Highly recommend it-:) |
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
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Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 12:29 PM on 03.23.10 |
->> This 'sticky' thread has more info than you'll ever need on good monitors:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=39226
You'll see the Dell highly touted here; you can also find out why. :) |
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Garrett Hubbard, Photographer
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Washington | D.C. | USA | Posted: 2:03 PM on 03.23.10 |
->> +1 for the matte apple cinema displays. I've had mine for 18 months and I am really pleased with it. It calibrates easily with my x-rite i1Display 2
http://www.xrite.com/product_overview.aspx?ID=788 |
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Greg Foster, Photographer
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Atlanta | GA | | Posted: 7:23 PM on 03.23.10 |
| ->> I appreciate all the input, it's the kind of information I was hoping to get. I'm wondering if there is a lot of difference between the Dell UltraSharp 24" and the UltraSharp 22", I see there are some differences in contrast and the number of possible colors displayed, would this make that much difference in editing and other basic toning work? Same with the standard Dells vs. the UltraSharp, anyone know if there is an appreciable difference? |
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Mark Peters, Photographer
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Highland | IL | USA | Posted: 7:38 PM on 03.23.10 |
| ->> I have the ultrasharp 2209wa, which is an eIPS, I believe, and like it quite well. My frame of reference though is my laptop monitor. |
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Kirby Yau, Photographer, Assistant
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San Diego | CA | USA | Posted: 11:03 AM on 03.24.10 |
->> Greg, the 22" will probably fit the bill. The 24" would be the better choice for the connectivity and newer technology.
The standard Dells are ok, but you will be VERY annoyed with it because tones and color will change depending on what angle you are looking at the screen.
At work I have a 27" iMac with an IPS panel next to an TN panel Dell and it's night and day.
What type of computer are you going to be using with it?
Is budget your main concern? |
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Greg Foster, Photographer
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Atlanta | GA | | Posted: 12:33 PM on 03.24.10 |
->> Kirby, I'll be using it with a Macbook Pro. The newer technology and connectivity is not a big thing for me, as long as it will plug into my laptop. Budget is not a huge concern, I just don't want to buy something for my business that I wouldn't really need or make use of...like having 2 billion colors if 16.7 million will yield the same results. My main concern is to be able to have true color and contrast for toning, for output that will match up well for prints and books. I've been getting good results with the uncalibrated Macbook Pro screen, but I realize that I need to be a little more dialed in.
So far, the consensus from the people I've talked to seems to be the Dell screens are pretty good, make sure it's a eIPS and not a TN panel screen, make sure it's at least 16.7 million colors, make sure it's an LED screen, and obviously higher resolution is better. I still don't know the difference between the Dell standard and UltraSharp monitors (unless it's the eIPS vs. TN panels).
I really appreciate all the input, it's helpful. |
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Kirby Yau, Photographer, Assistant
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San Diego | CA | USA | Posted: 12:44 PM on 03.24.10 |
->> Greg, good luck with your choice.
The standard Dell panels are typically TN panels and the high end Ultrasharps are E-IPS.
But follow the suggestions you've received from others and you should be fine. -K |
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Jason Joseph, Photographer
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Dublin | OH | USA | Posted: 12:44 PM on 03.24.10 |
| ->> I've been using a 24" Dell in my home office for a year or so and have been happy with it. However, I got a 24" Apple at work yesterday and it blows the Dell away. Now I don't like my monitor at home anymore. |
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Kirby Yau, Photographer, Assistant
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Greg Foster, Photographer
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Atlanta | GA | | Posted: 11:32 AM on 06.17.10 |
| ->> So I bought the Dell 24" U2410 monitor recommended by several people in this thread, and am looking for a little advice on optimum settings. Those of you using this monitor, do you usually leave it in the standard mode? Does anybody set it to the sRGB mode when doing photoshop work with files in the sRGB color space, or do you leave it in the standard mode? I'm happy with the monitor so far, just trying to get a grip on the various settings... |
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Paul W Gillespie, Photographer
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Annapolis | MD | USA | Posted: 5:25 PM on 09.25.10 |
->> To resurrect and old thread, is the Dell 24"u2410 still getting good reviews in the sub $600 monitor category? Any other IPS monitors I should be looking at? Maybe a lttle smaller, but also less expensive. Anyone using the The 23” NEC MultiSync EA231WMi http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824002524&nm_mc=OTC-F...+-+LCD+Flat+Panel-_-NEC+Display+Solutions-_-24002524
thanks |
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Kirby Yau, Photographer, Assistant
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San Diego | CA | USA | Posted: 10:08 PM on 09.25.10 |
->> Paul, the 23" Dell Ultrasharp is going for 239 after a online coupon on the Dell business site.
http://bensbargains.net/deal/157989/
Th 24" maybe better since it has greater resolution. |
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Paul W Gillespie, Photographer
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Annapolis | MD | USA | Posted: 4:56 PM on 09.27.10 |
->> What is the true story with the Dell Ultrasharp U2410. Some people rave about it, but some, more than I care to see, say that there is a dithering/pink tint issue on many of their screens. Is this just a case of those with problems complain more? Did those of you with this monitor have any of these problems. I was going to pull the trigger on this one, but now I have second thoughts. I could get two of the 23" Dells Kirby mentioned for the price of one of these. Anyone using the Dell U2311H?
Thanks |
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George Bridges, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Washington | DC | USA | Posted: 5:35 PM on 09.27.10 |
->> I've been using the U2410 since January and have not had a problem. I'm thinking of updating from plugging a laptop in and using it as the main monitor to a tower and will probably then add a second U2410.
I like the fact it takes any input (DVI, VGA, HDMI, DisplayPort, component)) so no matter what you need to hook up to it, it works. I usually use my DVI output on a MB Pro but have used the VGA hook up for a netbook when I needed. It also serves as a USB hub and has a plug for powering speakers.
If I want to hook up my 13-inch MB Pro as well then the monitor will take the display port connection.
I've seen no problems with color tints or shifts. |
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Alan Look, Photographer
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Bloomington/Normal | IL | United States | Posted: 5:38 PM on 09.27.10 |
->> I picked up a Viewsonic 22" LED. Really like it.
Anyone looked up the FCC number on the Dells to see who makes them? Just curious. |
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Jim Colburn, Photo Editor, Photographer
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McAllen | TX | USA | Posted: 6:39 PM on 09.27.10 |
| ->> An IT rumor is that the Dell Ultrasharp is, essentially, a Mac monitor in different clothing and so a very good deal. |
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Sean Popke, Photographer
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San Diego | CA | | Posted: 7:46 PM on 09.27.10 |
->> I was using two Apple 23" Aluminum LCDs and just upgraded to two NEC PA241w screens. I didn't want glossy screens, which kept me away from the Apple 24" monitors. I wouldn't say it's a night and day difference between the Apple and NEC screens, but they're very good.
I'm using the NEC color calibration puck, and it's nice having the software talk to the screen directly to adjust brightness, color temperature, etc. I used a Spyder 2 with the Apple screens. |
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David Ahntholz, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Irvine | CA | USA | Posted: 8:23 PM on 09.27.10 |
| ->> I have an NEC EA231WMi and really like it. I use it as an external monitor for my Macbook Pro and have no complaints. I also have an NEC 2490WUXi for more color-specific toning, but wouldn't think twice about getting another EA231WMi. |
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Darren Whitley, Photographer
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Northwest Missouri | MO | USA | Posted: 8:53 PM on 09.27.10 |
| ->> I have a Dell Ultrasharp and it's been very good to me. I espcially like the USB ports and built in card readers. I use an EIZO at work and it's awesome when it comes to ease of calibration with an XRite. |
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Paul W Gillespie, Photographer
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Annapolis | MD | USA | Posted: 9:53 PM on 09.27.10 |
->> I am starting to debate whether I need a wide gammut monitor or is a good IPS standard sRGB will do the trick?
I am starting to look at the HP ZR24w 24-inch S-IPS LCD Monitor |
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Primoz Jeroncic, Photographer
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Kranj | SI | Slovenia | Posted: 3:34 AM on 09.28.10 |
->> Did anyone manage to compare (not just in store but in real use) Eizo or Nec Spectraview monitors with some cheaper monitors like Dell or Apple mentioned in this thread? I'm still using old, reliable CRT in office, but I have feeling that its life is slowly going to end, so I would need to start looking for new one.
Spectraview looks quite on pair compared to current CRT, but for 1500+eur it should be anyway. On the other side, I never had chance to do anything with above mentioned Dell's. Personally I don't really like Apple monitors all that much, not to mention, they are far from cheap.
So any suggestion or experience with this would be really appreciated. |
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Eric Canha, Photographer
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Brockton | MA | United States | Posted: 9:45 AM on 09.28.10 |
->> Paul it would depend on how you are going to output your work. If you work with a lab or clients that work in a wider space then your toning and colors may be slightly off when they get the files. On the other hand if your lab is working in sRGB and all of your work is for web display then all that extra color is never going to be used.
I'm caught in the middle myself. The T&I lab works in sRGB while the 'regular' lab is in the aRGB space. So I have to be able to see the wider space so as not to tone blues into purples....
It was funny to see this tread pop back up the same day that my 21" CRT began to flicker and grumble. I was going to pop this one back up but you beat me to it. $2k for a graphics panel is not going to happen so the Dell is looking better and better all the time.
~E |
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Greg Foster, Photographer
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Atlanta | GA | | Posted: 1:32 PM on 09.28.10 |
| ->> I've had the Dell U2410 for a few months now, and so far I really like it. If I really stare at it sometimes I think I can see the pink tint in the bottom right corner, but that doesn't bother me because I don't often sit and stare at it. The toughest part for me was figuring out which of the preset modes to use - there are 8. I had to do some testing with making prints from a variety of color and black and white files, and finally got it pretty well dialed in, using one preset for color and one for black and white. The other adjustment that takes some getting used to is the brightness - it is extremely bright. I turn it down to almost 0 for working on black and white, and around 30 for color. I did a lot of research before buying this monitor, and the biggest percentage of comments I saw on it were very favorable. Judging from all those comments, and my experience with it, I think it is probably one of the best deals out there for the money. I bought it on the Dell site on sale for $100.00 off - $499.00, which is the price on it right now. I appreciate the folks on this thread guiding me to this monitor; I know there are a few negative comments on it on some of the forums out there, but I like it. |
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Paul W Gillespie, Photographer
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Annapolis | MD | USA | Posted: 1:43 PM on 09.28.10 |
| ->> I do mostly all my corrections in sRGB. How does the dell u2410 look in sRGB mode? Am I understanding this right, you can switch between sRGB and Adobe RGB modes depending on what kind of file you are working on. With my Lacie CRT I just make one monitor profile with my Eye One Display and that is what I work with, no matter if it is an sRGB or Adobe RGB file. I would like to have the option of working in both spaces if need be and it seems the Dell gives me that. |
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Greg Foster, Photographer
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Atlanta | GA | | Posted: 9:30 PM on 09.28.10 |
| ->> Paul, you press a button on the bottom of the monitor and it gives you a menu of preset modes, including sRGB, AdobeRGB, standard, custom color, and a few others (game, warm, cool, and multimedia). I haven't been able to find any information on how these differ, or how they are supposed to be used, so I just figured out on my own which works best for which files. I use sRGB for black and white, and standard for color. I don't know if that is the way it is supposed to be used, but it is what has worked for me so far. Someone more technically inclined than me would probably know the differences... |
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Paul W Gillespie, Photographer
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Annapolis | MD | USA | Posted: 5:29 PM on 10.07.10 |
| ->> I went with the HP ZR24w 24-inch S-IPS LCD Monitor. MacMall had it for 329.00 after a 20.00 instant and 50.00 mail in rebate. I have seen too many people complaining about the Dell u2410's pink/green tint issues. I am sure you guys that have them, love them, but you may just be the lucky ones who got good screens. I am too unlucky to chance it. That and the fact that I do most of my work in the sRGB. For 329.00 I will use the HP for a while and if a better Wide Gamut monitor comes along, with less problems, I will think about upgrading. This way I will have both covered. |
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Kirby Yau, Photographer, Assistant
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San Diego | CA | USA | Posted: 9:36 PM on 10.07.10 |
| ->> Paul, thanks for the update. Post again when you get accustomed to your new HP display. |
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Eric Canha, Photographer
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Brockton | MA | United States | Posted: 10:11 PM on 12.23.10 |
| ->> Dredging this up yet again. I've got it whittled down to the Dell ultra sharp 24" 27" and the 30". I was about to pull the trigger on the 27 when I checked out the outlet and found the 30 selling for less than what the 27" was going to cost. What I can't find on the site anywhere is the warranty info. Anyone know what Dell's warranty on refurb merchandise is? Anyone have the 30" on their desk? Thoughts? |
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Paul W Gillespie, Photographer
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Annapolis | MD | USA | Posted: 10:34 PM on 12.23.10 |
| ->> I will say that I love my HP ZR24w. I have had it for a few months and I have no complaints. My pics look good, it calibrates easy and the price was right. I had none of the problems that some have had with the Dell screens. I stepped up from a 19 Lacie Electron Blue CRT and the new 24 inch 16x10 ratio screen is huge. I also have 19 inch cheap dell as a second monitor. So check out the HP, it is worth a look. |
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Michael Pina, Photographer
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SF Bay Area | ca | usa | Posted: 11:54 AM on 12.24.10 |
| ->> Hey Greg, i have been using the Apple 30 in cinema for the past few years and very satisfied with it's performance. I had one issue and took it into Apple for repair and thanks to the Apple care, no cost to me. I have also had some experience with the Eizo CG223W. we used it in our prepress department and boy was it nice. Calibration was picky but the color was spot on. If i had the $$$ i would be looking into the Eizo monitors again. |
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John Korduner, Photographer
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Baton Rouge | LA | United States | Posted: 8:38 PM on 12.30.10 |
->> Anyone have any opinions of the Apple 27" LED Cinema? I have one in the box staring me down, pleading for its freedom. I asked for a monitor for Xmas....but this wasn't even a model that crossed my path, and the restocking fee's 10% if I open it. Furthermore photographers seem to have strong opinions against glossy screens (but I won't be using it under any demanding lighting scenarios).
Obviously cost isn't an issue at this point...but I'm nervous this monitor might not be intended for photographers, and consequently could be like showing up at the Moto GP race riding a Harley. |
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Eric Canha, Photographer
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Brockton | MA | United States | Posted: 4:00 PM on 01.07.11 |
->> Had the Dell U2711 arrive today. This is in-freaking-credible! Like I said on my Facebook I had an eyegasam the second PM opened a contact sheet. It's like sitting in front of a view box with chromes! The colors are that intense and (according to my eye1) accurate.
Sheer heaven. |
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Eric Canha, Photographer
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Brockton | MA | United States | Posted: 7:36 PM on 01.28.11 |
| ->> Quick question to those of you using Dell Ultrasharp monitors..... Did you have to turn the brightness setting way down? I've calibrated mine and everything looks GREAT but damn this thing is BRIGHT. Like I want to wear shades at my desk, bright. Currently I have it set to 50% brightness. |
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Greg Foster, Photographer
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Atlanta | GA | | Posted: 7:43 PM on 01.28.11 |
| ->> I have mine at 25% brightness, and I turn it down to around 0% for working on black and white files. |
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Paul W Gillespie, Photographer
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Annapolis | MD | USA | Posted: 1:17 AM on 01.29.11 |
->> I have my HP ZR24w set at 5% brightness. For the first couple days after I got it it was not calibrated and was set at something like 100%. I swear it burned my retinas and I got a little sunburned also. Now it is perfect and plenty of room to go high as the lamps loose their brightness.
Paul
www.pwgphoto.com
http://photo-monkeys.blogspot.com/ |
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