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Turning the tables on free
Stephen Brashear, Photographer, Assistant
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Erik Markov, Photographer
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Kokomo | IN | | Posted: 12:57 PM on 03.12.10 |
| ->> do the contractors need to provide their own tools? |
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Stephen Brashear, Photographer, Assistant
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Seattle | WA | USA | Posted: 1:03 PM on 03.12.10 |
| ->> Erik - I don't see why not. They probably have them any way. |
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Juliann Tallino, Photographer
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Patrick Fallon, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Columbia | MO | USA | Posted: 1:26 PM on 03.12.10 |
| ->> I turned down two requests this week to use images for Free. It feels good to say no. |
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Stephen Brashear, Photographer, Assistant
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Seattle | WA | USA | Posted: 1:40 PM on 03.12.10 |
| ->> Juliann - Yeah. I saw that after I posted. Sorry I didn't mention it. |
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Mark Peters, Photographer
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Highland | IL | USA | Posted: 6:54 PM on 03.12.10 |
| ->> Do you have it cached by chance? It got flagged for removal. |
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Mark Peters, Photographer
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Highland | IL | USA | Posted: 6:54 PM on 03.12.10 |
| ->> Should have noted - the original, not the reply. |
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Juliann Tallino, Photographer
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Seattle | WA | USA | Posted: 7:13 PM on 03.12.10 |
| ->> Sorry should have pasted the whole ad, but if you just put photographer in place of contractor in the other ad it's almost word for word. They wanted photos of their staff and truck and if you did a good job they might pay you to shoot one of their jobsites, if they get work that is. |
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Israel Shirk, Photographer, Assistant
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Boise | ID | US | Posted: 7:18 PM on 03.12.10 |
->> Here's the original:
"We are a 5 person construction company and need to update our website and brochure with NEW images of our staff. We would like to give an opportunity to the right photographer to take our company images. Ideally we need a formal and an informal picture, also a landscape shot of our company vehicle. Basically these pictures will help us get off the ground and renovate our website.
If you do a good enough job on our company portraits then you will ideally be awarded a future PAID contract to take pictures of our job sites (once we get a job!). We will want to have the rights to be able to use the photos on our website and brochure/print media. You will get a boost to your portfolio!
Experience in corporate photography along with a portfolio is a MUST or your email will be disregarded. We are looking at scheduling the shoot within the next week so be prepared to move fast!"
And response:
"We are a 5 person photography company and need to update our photography studio and shooting space with NEW office spaces for our staff. We would like to give an opportunity to the right construction crew to build our new company digs. Ideally we need a formal and an informal working space, also a landscape crew for our out side shooting area. Basically these structures will help us get off the ground and renovate our old space.
If you do a good enough job on our company building then you will ideally be awarded a future PAID contract to build structures of our photography clients (once we get a job!). We will want to have the rights to be able to exploit you as we see fit just for credit and a great job! You will get a boost to your structure building skills!
Experience in corporate building along with a portfolio is a MUST or your email will be disregarded, after all beggars can be choosers. We are looking at scheduling the construction within the next week so be prepared to move fast! " |
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Eric Canha, Photographer
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Brockton | MA | United States | Posted: 7:50 PM on 03.12.10 |
| ->> In the future maybe it would be better to contact these 'companies' and the out them properly. It's one thing to point a finger at an anonymous listing and poke fun but lets face it, if we knew WHO they were it could be more useful to let the world know that ABC Corp is a bottom feeder. |
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Paul Alesse, Photographer
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Centereach | NY | USA | Posted: 7:52 PM on 03.12.10 |
| ->> Oh okay, I get it now. It makes sense and is funny now that I see the original and the response. |
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Stephen Brashear, Photographer, Assistant
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Seattle | WA | USA | Posted: 8:29 PM on 03.12.10 |
| ->> Sorry - I had it copied and pasted, had a small computer problem in the mean time. I debated posting, since it is copyright material. |
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Dave Prelosky, Photographer
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Lower Burrell | Pa | US | Posted: 8:57 PM on 03.12.10 |
->> Stephen,
I believe satire and criticism are legitimate reuses of material.. |
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Mat Gdowski, Photographer
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Las Vegas | NV | USA | Posted: 9:20 PM on 03.12.10 |
->> Now that's damn funny...yes, it's also sad and wrong, but the response is funny.
It does stink that people think they can put that out there to basically rip off the photographer that decides to take it. It will probably be something that is trying to break into the biz and thinks this is an awesome opportunity. :-( Just wrong all the way around.
But it's hard not to laugh at that response. ;-) |
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Mark Peters, Photographer
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Highland | IL | USA | Posted: 9:54 PM on 03.12.10 |
->> The freeloader has a white knight. I'm missing the whole "pay is negotiable" part of the original ad they are referring to.
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/crg/1640942732.html
"Hey Mr/Ms I-have-a-chip-on-my-shoulder,
The original post actually said pay is negotiable. I didn't see anything that indicated they were looking for a photographer to work for free. Don't get me wrong, as a full time professional photographer I also get irritated when people expect free work in exchange for "I get to use it in my portfolio"* but the OP didn't say anything about that. Don't be so quick to judge when you don't read/acknowledge all of the facts.
*For the record, if a photographer shoots ANYTHING they can use it in their portfolio. With the click of the shutter the photographer owns that copyright so those of you posting here looking for a free shoot and "allowing" the photographer to use the photo in their portfolio? Educate yourself. Unless the photographer signs away their rights (which, unless they're equally uneducated, they would never do) "allowing" the photographer to use the photo that they take is condescending and off putting." |
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Mark Peters, Photographer
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Highland | IL | USA | Posted: 9:56 PM on 03.12.10 |
| ->> I guess, in fairness, the above could have been in response to a recently deleted post, but almost immediately follows the response in the OP. |
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Larz Schwartz, Photographer
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