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NCAA & Cameras behind the glass
Rick Yeatts, Photographer
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Dallas | TX | USA | Posted: 7:39 PM on 03.05.10 |
->> Does anyone have the NCAA official rule book that states the rule in it entirety regarding still photography cameras behind the glass in NCAA men & women's basketball regular season games. I know it can vary at each school as far as enforcement. I have been told just put it up and if the ref says anything then it come down, but no gobos whatsoever it distracts the players.
One ref had one sentence in a paragraph underlined which stated no visible cameras can be mounted behind the glass. They can only be mounted to the shot clock. The guy was so confused he told me I could mount it to the shot clock above the backboard and shoot over the basket. Hug........ I did not even go there. I just took it down and mounted it on the catwalk over the basket. I doesn't bother me that I can't put a camera where I want. It's just concerning that interpretation of the rules vary from one official to the other. At least in my case they have been inconstant. |
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Max Lashin, Photographer, Assistant
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Fort Lauderdale | FL | United States | Posted: 8:35 PM on 03.05.10 |
->> The SID at FSU had given me a copy of the Div. 1 ACC guide book page for remotes. It basically had a drawing of how it could be mounted. Gobo was allowed and so was mounting behind the glass. Refs checked it during practice and was told it was fine.
I did have trouble once and the asst SID said the camera had to be mounted behind the baseline.. the glass is about a foot or two in front of that so i really couldnt understand what she meant but the main SID said it was fine and to leave it |
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Darren Whitley, Photographer
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Northwest Missouri | MO | USA | Posted: 8:36 PM on 03.05.10 |
->> Rick,
The rule books are on the NCAA.org website in PDF format. Often times, the interpretations can be made to suit whomever needs the photos. If you shooting a regular season game, the conference can make ruling well before the game that will assist with making the referees happy. The SID and facilities people also need to have confidence in what you're doing. Start with the SID and work from there. |
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David Minton, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Denton | TX | USA | Posted: 10:05 PM on 03.05.10 |
| ->> I'll add that they told him this seemingly out of nowhere. He had done backglass remotes for several games leading up to the game when this incident occurred, all with Cinefoil gobos, none of which were very much larger than the area of the front of the lens itself. |
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Larry W. Smith, Photographer
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Valley Center (Wichita) | KS | USA | Posted: 10:46 PM on 03.05.10 |
->> Rick it is common practice to mount a camera above the shot clock looking down at the basket, usually next to the video camera the TV puts up so the referee was not confused on a camera being mounted to the shot clock.
Larry |
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
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Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 11:25 AM on 03.06.10 |
->> You can access the NCAA rule book here: http://tinyurl.com/ycdyscq.
You'll find there are only two references to cameras: one that allows cameras to be attached to a *recessed* shot clock, and another that prohibits a camera from being mounted to the backboard (note that the backboard is distinct from the support structure of the backboard).
In other words - the rulebook only goes so far. Don't know what the ref showed you but it's not in the current rule book. If it was Rule 1, Section 16, Article 1 on page 36 that he showed you, it does NOT say cameras aren't permitted BEHIND the backboard - only ON the backboard.
But of course, he wins anyway regardless of what the rule book says. |
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Gerard Burkhart, Photographer
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Valley Glen | CA | USA | Posted: 1:18 PM on 03.06.10 |
->> This is part of the Photographers protocols I'm trying to write for my students.
What are accepted practices and what are the citable rules that apply in these situations? |
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Matthew Bush, Photographer
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Hattiesburg | MS | USA | Posted: 6:46 PM on 03.06.10 |
| ->> Max has a Div. 1 ACC guide book page for remotes. Does anyone know of PDF of a guide book for Conference USA ? I would love to have one for reference. |
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
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Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 7:59 PM on 03.06.10 |
->> "What are accepted practices and what are the citable rules that apply in these situations?"
Varies from conference to conference.
From division to division.
From venue to venue.
From SID to SID.
Often (as indicated above) from official to official.
And from situation to situation. (For instance rules for regular season can be very different from post-season.)
Published "rules" in my limited experience are often looked upon as "guidelines" and just because it says on paper somewhere that a remote is allowed, it just takes one coach, official, SID, AD, etc. to say "Naaa. Ain't happening."
For the narrow area of remotes:
Don't assume. Submit your request in advance. Make sure you have your proof of liability insurance (especially if you're going to a venue you've never worked). |
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Rick Yeatts, Photographer
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Dallas | TX | USA | Posted: 10:50 PM on 03.06.10 |
| ->> Larry thanks for the clarification. |
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
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Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 3:48 AM on 03.07.10 |
| ->> Also be aware that rules change. The now-common practice of mounting cameras to recessed shot clocks was actually expressly prohibited just three seasons ago (I looked it up when I did my first backboard remote). Of course this didn't stop the NCAA's gravy train (CBS) from putting TV cameras up there, so they changed the rules. Just took a while for the rules to catch up with the money, I mean the reality. ;) |
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