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How can you disable images being copied from the net?
Mchael Cullen, Photographer
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wexford Town | np | Rep of Ireland /Eire | Posted: 6:54 PM on 03.03.10 |
| ->> Protecting Your Images on the Web, without using watermarks, any software that can disable copying, I know flash images are hard to copy, but you can copy them if you want..... |
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Juliann Tallino, Photographer
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Seattle | WA | USA | Posted: 7:14 PM on 03.03.10 |
| ->> disable right click, use a clear gif. But nothing stops a screen shot. |
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Michael Ip, Photographer
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New York | NY | USA | Posted: 7:16 PM on 03.03.10 |
| ->> Could you possibly do something where flash replaces the image with a completely blacked out foreground when someone presses the screen shot sequence? |
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Phil Hawkins, Photographer
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Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 7:23 PM on 03.03.10 |
| ->> You can't. As long as one can do a screen capture it can't be done. |
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Les Bentley, Photographer
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Mike O'Bryon, Photographer
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Ft. Lauderdale | FL | USA | Posted: 7:51 PM on 03.03.10 |
| ->> As Phil noted.... you can't |
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Eric Canha, Photographer
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Brockton | MA | United States | Posted: 7:54 PM on 03.03.10 |
->> Can't be done. My favorite theft from my site was a kid who used a cell phone to take a photo of the monitor and put it on her facebook. You could see the crt's mask and a HUGE black bar from the refresh signal..... I was stunned.
Don't waste too much time trying. |
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Michael Ip, Photographer
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New York | NY | USA | Posted: 7:56 PM on 03.03.10 |
->> Lee,
Disabling right click can be overcome very easily - disable javascript and you can right click all you want. |
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Jim Comeau, Photo Editor, Photographer
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Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 8:06 PM on 03.03.10 |
| ->> Don't post it. That's the only way. |
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Jeff Brown, Photographer
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Greenfield | MA | | Posted: 4:40 PM on 03.04.10 |
->> I have been tying to figure this one out also because of the many kids lifting images off my site to put on their face book pages.
My wife suggested changing my watermark to something like....
"THIS IMAGE STOLEN FROM WWW.PSPHOTO.NET"
or
"I STOLE THIS IMAGE FROM..." |
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Jim Urquhart, Photographer
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Salt Lake City | UT | USA | Posted: 5:15 PM on 03.04.10 |
| ->> You could shoot photos like the ones I do. No one will ever want them. |
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Kevin Krows, Photographer
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Forsyth | IL | USA | Posted: 5:34 PM on 03.04.10 |
->> Here's what I do and it works pretty well.
So you catch a kid stealing an image off your web site.
1. Remove all pictures of that athlete from your site.
2. The next game you shoot, don't upload any pictures of that athlete. I didn't say don't shoot any pictures, however.
3. Do #2 until mommy calls wanting to know why you're not taking pictures of her little baby. You can tell her that you have plenty of pictures but your company policy is not to post images of athletes that violate your copyright (and break the law). Be ready to provide proof of the violation and the law.
4. Depending on her reaction, do what you want.
Most important, you don't want to look like the bad guy. All fingers need to be pointing directly at the person who stole the image.
BTW, if mommy or daddy are stealing, I just send them an invoice. |
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Mark Sutton, Photographer
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Herndon | VA | USA | Posted: 11:47 AM on 03.21.10 |
| ->> Doesn't matter if you put a watermark on it or not kids and pros will heist your stuff. I'm friends with a WNBA player who I've known since she was a kid and she has Getty stuff all over her Face Book page. Logo and all. |
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Juerg Schreiter, Photographer
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Fort Lauderdale | FL | USA | Posted: 12:41 PM on 03.21.10 |
->> I'm friends with a WNBA player who I've known since she was a kid and she has Getty stuff all over her Face Book page. Logo and all.
>>>> maybe you should talk to her and 'educate' her on copyright info. |
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David Manning, Photographer
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Athens | GA | | Posted: 12:54 PM on 03.21.10 |
->> .... Ive just come to accept that "If you can see it, you can steal it."
I only post things that are 576px deep. If someone wants to put that on facebook, more power to them. Its too small for any publication to make use of it. |
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Randy Abrams, Photographer
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Bath | NY | US | Posted: 1:24 PM on 03.21.10 |
| ->> The sad thing about this is that you'd think it is just the kids and their facebook and such, but I had a father come up to be last fall at a youth football game and show me his cell phone that had one of my pictures as his background...watermark and all. I was about ready to smack him right there. As has been said, the print screen is our enemy here. People don't care about quality as much as just having the pic. I think if you make your watermark to obnoxious then you hurt your chances of sales because people can't really see the pic. Your other option is to only put up low res, small sizes, but again I think you hurt your chances for sales due to the poor quality. Kind of a catch-22. |
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Mike Janes, Photographer
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Attica | NY | USA | Posted: 2:01 PM on 03.21.10 |
| ->> Parents, high school kids, college athletes, don't matter they all do it. I use an obtrusive watermark for a reason, just can't be stopped. Seen my images with watermark cropped out as best as they can before, some just leave it. Had a couple images taken from a flash slide show, screen shot and used in print by a team in their program that thought it was OK as long as they gave credit (they did not even do that, but that was the media guys argument that they should of given credit - not that they should have asked in the first place, just a byline made stealing it OK!) |
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Clark Brooks, Photo Editor, Photographer
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Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 2:40 PM on 03.21.10 |
->> "...post things that are 576px deep..."
Too big, IMHO. On an inkjet printer this would allow someone to make a decent 3x5 print. I recommend a no more than 420px long. |
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Clark Brooks, Photo Editor, Photographer
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Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 2:56 PM on 03.21.10 |
->> " I think if you make your watermark to obnoxious then you hurt your chances of sales because people can't really see the pic. Your other option is to only put up low res, small sizes, but again I think you hurt your chances for sales due to the poor quality. Kind of a catch-22."
If you are creating content that is very desirable and is being 'lifted', 'pilfered', 'stolen' or however you want to describe the activity, the better solution is allow visitors to view thumbnail images only, but charge a fee on a per image, per week, per month basis for preview (non thumbs) sizes. Charge a premium fee to view images without a watermark. In other words charge for the access since you know, if your work is desirable, it will be either screen captured or downloaded. |
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Anthony Vasser, Photographer, Assistant
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Houston | TX | USA | Posted: 4:28 PM on 03.21.10 |
->> Can't. If you post something someone wants bad enough, and they can see it, they can get it. Please don't ban me for posting solutions I found on Google.
Easiest is printscreen. Or, I guess, photograph the screen (seems desperate).
In Flickr, the clear spaceball.gif is overcome by just blocking it as if it were an ad (or by making a custom style)
@-moz-document domain(flickr.com) {
img[src*="spaceball.gif"] {display:none !important;}
}
Sportsshooter is a little more clever with spaceball in that blocking it changes the viewable dimension of the underlying pic. But you can just pull it off the imageserver by changing the last 6 digits to whatever the image ID is. So for your current profile image is:
http://www.sportsshooter.com/showImage.html?id=?????? (replace ?????? with 889994)
Bert, it's been like this for a few years but I'll start timing how long it'll take to resolve it now that I know you know.
Wires suffer from a similar issue, as does every image sales site.
Generally to bypass javascripts, embedded images, and sometimes even flash, with firefox and Adblock plus, just push cmd+shift+v (or cntl+shift+v) to see the html location of all things displayed on the page. Copypaste the address into the browser and save it. If you open a .swf file in Flash you can extract the images, but sometimes people leave the .fla on the server to make things easier.
There are a couple other ways too, even for things behind password protection. For many sites the spiderbots still can, and there's plugins etc to configure your browser appear like a bot to a server.
These are the advantages and disadvantages of allowing automated systems to crawl metadata/exif and improve SEO. The tradeoff for visibility, customers ease of use, and IT cost.
Best suggestion is to accept that you can't prevent it. Spend your energy addressing the apparent need people have for cellphone/facebook sized images. There are some good suggestions in this thread. |
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Jesse Beals, Photographer
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Tracyton | WA | USA | Posted: 4:47 PM on 03.21.10 |
->> Offer facebook 2x3 downloads to $2.50. If they still steal report them to facebook. Nothing worse then a kids account with 800 plus photos getting shut down for copyright infringement.
I spent one day surfing the local kids who I shot and found over 500 stolen photos. I contacted all the kids and said hey these were taken from my site. I offer facebook down loads. I gave them a choice to take the photos down or pay for the facebook files minus the watermark. I also attached a copyright infringement form on what hey were doing and why it was wrong. Of the 50 kids who had taken photos, 32 took the photos down, 17 paid me for the facebook files and 1 said PISS OFF. The kid who said PISS OFF had his photos removed by facebook and his account suspended.
I ended up making $310.00 on facebook photos sold to the 17 kids who had originally stolen my work. Not to bad for a days worth of work searching for thief's.
Jesse Beals
www.jboriginals.com |
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David Manning, Photographer
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Athens | GA | | Posted: 6:02 PM on 03.21.10 |
->> Clark, I respect your opinion on this, but if they want to make a 3x5 print, its not going to break my heart. (You want to make it a framed & matted 11x17 & I've got an issue.)
I understand where you T&I owners/shooters are coming from on this. Its your livelyhood.
Anything i post online or anything my employer posts online, i expect to be stolen or ripped off. If it turns into a problem, like what happened with Jacob Langston last month, I'll invoice them & take other action. |
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Clark Brooks, Photo Editor, Photographer
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Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 2:07 PM on 03.23.10 |
->> David Manning: No offense taken at all.
Anthony Vasser: Way, way too much work...LOL... If you are using FireFox it takes just four mouse clicks to grab content from any website (I'm not telling how) FireFox also has a add-in called Download Helper which is a click solution to download to your hard drive any content - flv, jpgs - displayed on a web page.
The question that photographers are going to have to face in the next few years is; Knowing a photo will be downloaded, thanks to browsers that make it easier, and transferred to multiple devices, and given for people that a low, screen res photo is satisfactory especially for their hand held devices, do you allow people access to your content for free and try to maintain a business model that relies on print sales or do you charge an access or subscription fee to recover the expenses to produce the content for client/user base that is satisfied with quality to suit the needs of their mobile device? |
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