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My Kind of Girls - Canadian Hockey
Rene Mireles, Photographer
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Holland | MI | USA | Posted: 10:38 AM on 02.26.10 |
->> The Canadian Girls Hockey Team celebrates with beer and cigars on the ice while wearing there gold medals, and IOC gets all peeved about it.
I think its great, let them party..
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Andrew Knapik, Photographer, Assistant
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Lincoln Park | MI | USA | Posted: 10:47 AM on 02.26.10 |
| ->> The best has to be when one of the girls got on the Zamboni!!! |
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John H. Reid III, Photographer
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Gates Mills | OH | USA | Posted: 11:35 AM on 02.26.10 |
| ->> That IOC - They're just a bunch of hosers, eh. |
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Peter Buehner, Photographer
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Orono | ME | USA | Posted: 11:37 AM on 02.26.10 |
| ->> I can understand wanting to party but underage drinking when you are now a role model isn't so great IMHO. I am sure that there will be lots of apologies forthcoming. |
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Craig Mitchelldyer, Photographer, Assistant
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Portland & Orange County | OR and CA | USA | Posted: 11:54 AM on 02.26.10 |
| ->> the drinking age in Canada is 19. Funny how they have no problem selling as many beers and you can hold for $8 a pop (and Canadians would buy 2, chug em and go back for two more), drinking about 6 a period, yet have a problem with the gold medal winners doing it. Just plain old silly. |
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Dave Prelosky, Photographer
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Lower Burrell | Pa | US | Posted: 12:13 PM on 02.26.10 |
->> I've said it before and I'll say it again:
If our cultural forebears hadn't been a batch of dreary Puritans, our national outlook might be quite a bit more interesting. |
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Matthew Sauk, Photographer
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Sandy | UT | United States | Posted: 12:17 PM on 02.26.10 |
| ->> A girl smoking a cigar brings back memories of Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky! |
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James Broome, Photographer
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Tampa | FL | US | Posted: 12:29 PM on 02.26.10 |
| ->> Craig - The woman that scored Canada's two goals was photographed drinking beer - but she's only 18. |
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Michael Granse, Photographer
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Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 1:12 PM on 02.26.10 |
->> When I was playing in college there were hotels that would not let us reserve rooms when they found out we were a hockey team! We used to make reservations as the "debate club" and at check in if the desk clerk saw a bunch of goons carrying sticks through the lobby I would just explain that debate can get a little heated at times.
Hockey players are supposed to be a little "rough around the edges" and if the girls want to cut loose and enjoy their gold medal on home ice they should be allowed to. Besides, it is better to have them getting crazy in a controlled setting of an ice arena with a security detail than turning them loose on the town like WE used to do after a game. |
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Mike Carlson, Photographer
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Bayonet Point | FL | USA | Posted: 1:26 PM on 02.26.10 |
->> To comment on the "underage" drinking - and yes this may be my Canadian bias shining through a bit - the woman that scored both goals will be 19 next month...though she's from Quebec, where the legal age is 18, and trains in Alberta where, you guessed it, the legal age is 18.
I realize they're now in BC and the rules are different but...c'mon, really? We're going to split those hairs?
And, as for role models... you ever see a baseball/basketball/insert-your-male-sport-here clubhouse after a playoff moment? |
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Alan Look, Photographer
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Bloomington/Normal | IL | United States | Posted: 1:31 PM on 02.26.10 |
| ->> Girls and cigars, wasn't that a big scandal a few years ago? |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 1:32 PM on 02.26.10 |
->> Good God! Those IOC guys need to get a life. As one of the posters on the blog wrote, "overpaid Swiss bureaucrats". This may be a little OT but I continually think it absurd the drinking age in this country is 21 but you can send an 18 year old to get their head blown off in war....but God forbid they can drink beer. I'm glad those ladies decided to party and hope since they have NOTHING to apologize for, they DON'T.
But I have to say after scrolling through the photos that one player wasn't drinking beer, she had a Coors Light, not beer!! |
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Jim Colburn, Photo Editor, Photographer
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McAllen | TX | USA | Posted: 1:36 PM on 02.26.10 |
->> "...the drinking age in Canada is 19..."
"The woman that scored Canada's two goals was photographed drinking beer - but she's only 18"
1) After two goals in the Olympic championship she deserves a beer.
2) The drinking age in Alberta (where the team did its training) is 18. A simple mistake...
This is not really a big deal. |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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| | | Posted: 1:39 PM on 02.26.10 |
| ->> You gotta see how the Cannucks celebrate when they win Curling... |
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Dave Prelosky, Photographer
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Lower Burrell | Pa | US | Posted: 1:44 PM on 02.26.10 |
->> Fish -
People who win shouldn't throw stones... |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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| | | Posted: 2:41 PM on 02.26.10 |
| ->> No, they should just sweep them neatly across the ice... |
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Dave Prelosky, Photographer
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Lower Burrell | Pa | US | Posted: 3:09 PM on 02.26.10 |
| ->> I'm gonna hijack this for a moment - could anyone offer a concise explanation of the curling broom's function? I'm soooo confused. |
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Matthew Sauk, Photographer
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Sandy | UT | United States | Posted: 3:20 PM on 02.26.10 |
->> Geez I thought my comment was quite funny, not inappropriate
Check mark to the person with no sense of humor |
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Matthew Sauk, Photographer
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Sandy | UT | United States | Posted: 3:21 PM on 02.26.10 |
->> The broom I believe heats up the service and cleans it. I think it is either to slow it down or turn it a certain way or slow it down.
But I believe it does something to ice, heat wise? |
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Juliann Tallino, Photographer
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Seattle | WA | USA | Posted: 3:31 PM on 02.26.10 |
| ->> the broom smooths out the ice and speeds up the stone, the curling is done when the stone is thrown. |
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Brian Dowling, Photographer
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Philadelphia | PA | USA | Posted: 3:34 PM on 02.26.10 |
| ->> I think the bigger issue is that a few players are drinking a Coors Light and not a Molson. |
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Israel Shirk, Photographer, Assistant
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Boise | ID | US | Posted: 3:42 PM on 02.26.10 |
| ->> So true, Brian. So true. |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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| | | Posted: 4:09 PM on 02.26.10 |
->> 10:40 left in the 2nd period and it appears that the Finland Men's Hockey Team must have been out partying with the Canadian Women's Hockey Team last night because USA is killing them!
U-S-A
U-S-A
U-S-A
U-S-A
U-S-A |
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Matthew Sauk, Photographer
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Sandy | UT | United States | Posted: 4:48 PM on 02.26.10 |
->> By the way I almost feel the reporter that brought it up to the IOC was trying to get them in trouble, almost like a 7 year old tattle tailing on her brother.
Anyone else feel that way? It should have never been brought up to the IOC as it had nothing to do with them. Game was over, fans were gone. Only people left were reporters. |
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Chris Large, Photographer
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Okotoks | AB | Canada | Posted: 5:01 PM on 02.26.10 |
->> Dave
By "sweeping" the ice they are causing the friction of the broom on the ice to actually heat the ice creating a fine fine layer of water which in turn makes the ice slippery and reduces drag making the rock slide easier and therefor faster. They call out how much sweeping they want which makes fine adjustments to the speed of the rock.
Chris |
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Kevin Seale, Photographer
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Crawfordsville | IN | United States | Posted: 5:08 PM on 02.26.10 |
->> The friction from the broom actually melts a thin layer of the ice and the thin layer of water reduces friction. Ice by itself is not that slippery, the layer of water created by heat or pressure is what really creates slippery conditions.
The same thing happens with ice skates. The pressure from a person's weight causes the ice to melt creating a think layer of water that allows them to glide. |
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Kevin Seale, Photographer
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Crawfordsville | IN | United States | Posted: 5:10 PM on 02.26.10 |
| ->> Chris, you must have typed faster than I did. |
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Grant Gartland, Photographer, Assistant
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Bloomington | MN | USA | Posted: 5:14 PM on 02.26.10 |
->> Also, contrary to what many think when watching for the first time with not close-up angles and not in HD. The ice is pebbled not smooth. The sweeping is generally melting those extra droplets that make the "pebbles."
If you have not tried it, it is very fun. Being a Bemidji State graduate and taking the Curling class there it was a blast, especially when 2006 Olympic Bronze Medalist Pete Fenson is your teacher. |
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James Broome, Photographer
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Tampa | FL | US | Posted: 5:22 PM on 02.26.10 |
->> "1) After two goals in the Olympic championship she deserves a beer.
2) The drinking age in Alberta (where the team did its training) is 18. A simple mistake...
This is not really a big deal."
Jim - I agree with you...mostly. Yes, she scored two goals and her team won gold in the Olympics. Yes, her team trains in a province where the drinking age is lower than where the incident occurred.
However, none of those things make it legal for her to drink when underage. Is it a big deal? No, I don't think so. Is it illegal? Yeah, it is. |
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Darrell Miho, Photographer
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Los Angeles : SFO : HNL | CA | usa | Posted: 5:30 PM on 02.26.10 |
| ->> you obey the local laws. period. winning a gold medal does not entitle anyone to special exceptions from the law. |
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Eric Linsley, Photographer
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West Haven | CT | USA | Posted: 6:23 PM on 02.26.10 |
->> I have to say even though we are all photographers on this site but what is the point of photographing a team hanging out by themselves drinking and smoking cigars?
If these photos were never taking no one would know about it unless they were in the arena. I think it cool to show a team celebrating a great victory and Canada's 1st gold in any kind of hockey on their own ice but now these photos are being used to get the IOC involved. |
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Matthew Sauk, Photographer
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Sandy | UT | United States | Posted: 7:02 PM on 02.26.10 |
->> Eric,
That is what I was thinking, plus the fact that some reporter asked the IOC his feelings on it. Had he not said anything of course the person had no idea.
But I got a HUH click for my post, when I think it is a relative question to this subject |
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Eric Linsley, Photographer
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West Haven | CT | USA | Posted: 7:13 PM on 02.26.10 |
->> Yeah it is a relative question
Its not like they came on national tv and drank during the award ceremony but if these pictures were never taken and no one said anything to the IOC no one would know.
This also happen to a USA snowboarder Scotty Lago who had a picture taken of him out on the town after he won bronze. |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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| | | Posted: 7:26 PM on 02.26.10 |
->> Eric,
What is the point of shooting the locker room after the World Series? Why follow a Boxer down the hall after a big fight? Why shoot NASCAR race crews packing up and kicking back after a race?
Those are all non-action private moments post event aren't they? |
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Chris Large, Photographer
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Okotoks | AB | Canada | Posted: 7:33 PM on 02.26.10 |
->> Darrell
Cut the girls some slack here..they didn't go out and do drive by shootings or hold up a bank. Do you turn your self in every time you drive 5 mph over the speed limit? They enjoyed the victory, enjoyed their chance to let their hair down...after the crowds left the building.... no harm no foul. In the big picture this rates at .0001 out of 10.
Nothing to do about winning a gold making you above the law.
I spent 20 years as a cop and I was never this hard as@@d -
"you obey the local laws. period." |
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Eric Linsley, Photographer
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West Haven | CT | USA | Posted: 7:43 PM on 02.26.10 |
| ->> yes Steven they are....Maybe I shouldn't of said they shouldn't of been taken but they should be shown as a team being happy and not being showed as 1 team member who is 18 drinking. |
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Stew Milne, Photographer
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Providence | RI | USA | Posted: 8:00 PM on 02.26.10 |
| ->> OH CANADA!!!!!! |
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor
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San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 10:29 PM on 02.26.10 |
->> I'm pretty sure that none of the hockey players in question were "girls."
--Mark |
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Jeremy Harmon, Photo Editor, Photographer
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Salt Lake City | UT | USA | Posted: 12:02 AM on 02.27.10 |
| ->> Some of the comments here rank among the most ridiculous I've ever read on this site. |
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Thomas Boyd, Photographer
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Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 12:07 AM on 02.27.10 |
->> Eric and Matthew:
Photojournalists shoot photos of things like athletes celebrating because it's a story-telling image. It was a moment unique to the 2010 Winter Olympics. They were the Canadian Women's Hockey team drinking Canadian beer after winning the gold. It was a uniquely human moment in sports that wasn't staged or expected.
That's why it was photographed and that's why a reporter asked about it.
Here's a post from sportsshooter member Sol Neelman who was there:
http://www.solneelman.com/blog/?p=2931 |
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Daniel Putz, Photographer
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Owings Mills | MD | USA | Posted: 12:17 AM on 02.27.10 |
->> Next they'll make fist pumps and group hugs after goals illegal.
Excellent moment, excellent image. :) |
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Rob Shook, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Rochester | NY | USA | Posted: 12:24 AM on 02.27.10 |
->> "Maybe I shouldn't of said they shouldn't of been taken but they should be shown as a team being happy and not being showed as 1 team member who is 18 drinking."
I don't believe it is the photojournalist's duty to sensor those events that they think are controversial. |
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Jeremy Harmon, Photo Editor, Photographer
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Salt Lake City | UT | USA | Posted: 12:27 AM on 02.27.10 |
| ->> Well said Thomas. |
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Matthew Sauk, Photographer
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Sandy | UT | United States | Posted: 12:36 AM on 02.27.10 |
->> So what was the journalists trying to accomplish by asking the IOC member that question? Was there ulterior motives?
Why even go ask the IOC that kind of question? No one was there except the players and workers. It hurt no one, it affected no one, till a journalists thought he/she should go ask that question.
The only reason this is even an issue is because of that question. |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 12:58 AM on 02.27.10 |
| ->> this whole thing is total bullshit. sorry I didn't use some thingymajingee's to make it nice. if they would have been MEN there would have been not a SINGLE outcry. I can't believe some of you folks would take the side of the morons who are bitching and moaning. this is a totally useless thread...unless it had been supporting these women. |
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Scott Gardner, Photographer
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Columbia | SC | USA | Posted: 1:05 AM on 02.27.10 |
| ->> FYI - I was not the photographer of these photos. I have received a few emails from some irate Canadians. Please stop sending me your rude comments about my professionalism or my apparent dislike for Canadians. I respect the country and its citizens EXCEPT THOSE THAT SENT ME THE EMAILS! |
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Thomas Boyd, Photographer
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Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 1:12 AM on 02.27.10 |
->> Matthew:
If you are a reporter and you know this happened and you know there are photos being sent to every major news agency in the world, and you know that it's going to be controversial, are you saying, knowing all that, you wouldn't ask an official about it?
If for some reason you are a reporter that didn't think to ask that question, I can guarantee your editor would insist you do. Why? because it happened, and they are going to want a story to explain the photos they are going to run on the sports cover.
But, I can also guarantee, there aren't many reporters covering the Olympics that wouldn't chase that story if they were covering women's hockey. Most of reporters up there are seasoned vets who know a story when they see one.
By any standard of measurement, it's an interesting sidebar to the story of the Canadian women winning the gold.
Reporters have one motive, and that is to tell interesting stories. They don't care what happened, the just want to describe and explain it. That's what they are paid to do. It's what they are passionate about. Very much like the motive of a photojournalist. |
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Jeremy Harmon, Photo Editor, Photographer
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Salt Lake City | UT | USA | Posted: 1:21 AM on 02.27.10 |
->> To add to what Thomas said, to assume there is some kind of ulterior motive in the reporter's question doesn't make sense. The event didn't become controversial because of a question. The event became controversial because it happened. If journalists don't report on the controversy, they aren't doing their job.
Personally, I agree with Chuck. If it had been men, there would likely not have been an outcry, but there was an outcry. That becomes part of the story regardless of how people feel about it.
However, saying the journalists caused the outcry is like saying a thermometer is too blame when it is hot outside. |
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Chris Large, Photographer
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Okotoks | AB | Canada | Posted: 1:37 AM on 02.27.10 |
->> One more post and maybe this thread will stop.
Chuck - I agree with you 100% but you just gotta stop trying to be pc and really speak your mind. Don't hold back for once.
Chris |
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David Harpe, Photographer
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Denver | CO | USA | Posted: 2:44 AM on 02.27.10 |
->> I'm not taking sides with the IOC, but I do think it was a pretty selfish and thoughtless thing to do. You want to do that kind of stuff, don't do it in uniform. Don't do it in public view. That's why they have private areas in the Olympic Village. Or in the locker rooms.
Now their legacy is not the gold medal, but their silly celebration. Every time a TV show mentions their victory, these images will be shown. Coverage won't feature the winning goal. It won't feature a key point in the match. It won't feature any of the athleticism they worked so hard on year after year. Instead, coverage will show the women drinking champagne and smoking cigars and trying to drive a Zamboni. And oh yeah, it might mention the gold medal reason for the celebration. You can argue all day about whether that type of coverage is right or wrong. But it should not surprise anyone.
Somehow I don't think that is the kind of legacy their parents and coaches hoped for after all those years of early morning practice and long drives to out of town meets. And it's doubtful the women on the team were hoping for that legacy, either. But there it is, and it's unfortunate.
Because winning a gold medal at the Olympics is special enough. They didn't need to make a sideshow of it. |
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