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The End is Truly Near....
Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 1:39 PM on 02.10.10 |
| ->> nppa.org/news_and_events/news/2010/02/carey.html |
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Doug Strickland, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Danville | KY | USA | Posted: 2:14 PM on 02.10.10 |
| ->> I suppose it's fair to assume that he's got all of his gear paid off... |
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Dave Breen, Photographer
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Somerset | PA | USA | Posted: 2:23 PM on 02.10.10 |
| ->> Somebody had too much Buzz Beer!! |
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Joe Cavaretta, Photographer
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Ft Lauderdale | FL | USA | Posted: 2:44 PM on 02.10.10 |
| ->> maybe its not so bad to have a spokesperson someone will actually pay some attention to, like it or not. |
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David Seelig, Photographer
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Hailey | ID | USA | Posted: 2:51 PM on 02.10.10 |
| ->> Seale, with his Leica S2, is next. |
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Scott A. Schneider, Photographer
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Minneapolis | MN | USA | Posted: 3:00 PM on 02.10.10 |
->> I love his quote:
"I really envy [photojournalist] Carolyn Cole of the Los Angeles Times and when I see Christiane Amanpour on CNN I think to myself, 'Man, wouldn't it be great to be her cameraman and just be there with her at these cool places where history is changing?’”
I didn't know that history could change. |
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David A. Cantor, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Toledo | OH | USA | Posted: 3:17 PM on 02.10.10 |
| ->> Rats....I was hoping the board would give Zoriah that appointment...oh well..... |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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->> Believe it or not back in 2003 I shot along side Drew Carey shooting the delivery of humanitarian aid to troops in Basrah Iraq with Richard Branson.
Carey flew out with the journalists using a EOS 1Ds kit with a 28-70f2.8 and 17-35f2.8. He wasn't all that bad. He was actually on the flight to meet with US Marines during the visit, but he also shot a lot, as well as shooting with us in Kuwait City without anyone knowing who he was. |
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Dave Einsel, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Houston | TX | United States | Posted: 5:33 PM on 02.10.10 |
->> It is not uncommon for organizations, corporations, institutions, etc. to appoint board members that are not deeply rooted in the specific discipline of the institution. These appointments bring a diversity of thought that, hopefully, will help the organization see beyond the end of its own nose. The NPPA has struggled in recent years due to a variety of factors. I let my dues lapse last year after nearly 28 years as a member. However, I applaud the current leadership and their efforts to stabilize and advance the organization and the membership. One "outside" voice will not make or break the NPPA but it might open a crack in the rusted armor and allow a bit of fresh into the room.
I met Carey at a soccer match several years ago and he was a wonderful unassuming person with a genuine passion for what he was doing.
Dave Einsel
www.daveeinsel.com |
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Sam Santilli, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Philippi | WV | USA | Posted: 6:00 PM on 02.10.10 |
| ->> Fir $25 & a sponsor, Drew could be a member here. |
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Curtis Clegg, Photographer
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David Richard, Photographer
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Robert Seale, Photographer
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Houston | TX | USA | Posted: 7:29 PM on 02.10.10 |
->> If it helps the organization, or generates publicity, money, sponsorship, or goodwill toward the photojournalism profession, I'm all for it. If he has contacts or a platform to help us educate people about why real photojournalism is important, then that's a good thing. Don't dismiss the guy so quickly.
On a personal level, I've heard nothing but nice things about him. Give him a chance and he (and the rest of the current board) might surprise you. I applaud them for thinking differently here. |
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N. Scott Trimble, Photographer
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Lake Oswego | OR | USA | Posted: 7:59 PM on 02.10.10 |
->> At least he has a passion, and apparently a focus to further things along,
Unlike Meredith Viera and Rachel Uchitel who get journalism jobs with with no serious backgrounds, just serious back time.
Sorry, just burns me up watching the Meredith special report on the Dad who got his kid back from Brazil and suffer the atrocious interview she gave, and the news today that Extra (and yes, I know, its not real news) hires Tiger Wood's club bag # 1 as a correspondent.
And to think I sacrificed so much to throw money away in JOURNALISM school...
Okay, enough cynicism today. |
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Michael P. King, Photographer
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Appleton/Green Bay | WI | USA | Posted: 8:37 PM on 02.10.10 |
->> I implore everybody to look at the big picture, here:
*Drew Carey has a genuine interest in what we do for a living.*
It is rare that organizations or companies these days are blessed with board members who possess a genuine knowledge and interest in the group’s business – too many are merely concerned with stockholders, the bottom line, or earning extra income for serving. The National Press Photographers Association has the good fortune of having 15 dedicated people serving as board members (on a volunteer basis) who are all personally invested in making visual journalism thrive.
We are in no shortage of NPPA board members who are knowledgeable, practicing members of our profession. To see the current list of directors on the NPPA board: http://nppa.org/about_us/governance/board_of_directors.php
Of those 15 board members, about half are working staff photojournalists and editors (TV and Still). The remaining members are independent photojournalists, editors, and producers, as well as journalism educators. NPPA also has two appointed directors – Tom Kennedy and Ron Londen – who are insanely knowledgeable about new media.
Drew Carey will be a third appointed director... one equal member of that 15-member board... with no more and no less influence than any other director.
Yes, Drew Carey is a celebrity. Why do some see this as a detriment to his character, or to his potential effectiveness with NPPA? Why would you ever turn away from your doorstep somebody who wants to help you?
Visual journalism needs advocates. Visual journalism needs monetization. None of us can deny that. What possible harm could it do to partner with somebody who values the power of the visual image, is successful (in business and otherwise) and is listened to?
Like any organization, NPPA’s leadership needs to be comprised of a variety of viewpoints in order to succeed and look forward. There is great potential in Drew Carey’s appointment. As a board member I’ll welcome him, his ideas, and his help.
I speak my own opinion on this matter,
--Michael P. King
Board Member
National Press Photographers Association |
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David Bergman, Photographer
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New York | NY | USA | Posted: 9:36 PM on 02.10.10 |
->> I know Drew both personally and professionally and can assure you that he has studied the craft of photography more intensely than some of the full-time photographers out there. It's a wise move for the NPPA to bring in someone with a new, unique perspective on the industry and life in general.
Best,
David Bergman
http://www.DavidBergman.net |
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor
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San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 9:52 PM on 02.10.10 |
->> When I first saw this, I thought, "What the heck? Why is (NPPA President) Bob Carey appointing his brother to the NPPA board?" After rationality set in, I realized that it is utterly appropriate and organizationally healthy for corporations to appoint outside directors to their boards.
One of the common criticisms of all boards of directors is that they are too inbred. Many organization require that a certain number of directors be outsiders. Until now, the NPPA has seriously lagged in this regard.
Carey is an owner of a professional sports franchise, a celebrity and a knowledgeable photographer. He brings valuable insight from all of those worlds to the NPPA.
Oh yeah, Drew is no relation to Bob.
--Mark |
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor
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San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 10:07 PM on 02.10.10 |
->> Chuck, You posted a very supportive message on NPPA-L. Why not here?
--Mark |
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Thomas Boyd, Photographer
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Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 10:33 PM on 02.10.10 |
->> I see nothing but upside to this appointment. It's an inspired move. Plus, anyone who complains about this better be signing up for an elected position at NPPA. It's a member run organization.
I hereby nominate Nick Adams for a Regional President position.
Nick? You out there? |
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Nick Adams, Photographer
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Lynchburg | VA | | Posted: 11:11 PM on 02.10.10 |
->> Thomas,
I look forward to your support next election season. |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 2:42 AM on 02.11.10 |
| ->> mark, I think you confused me with someone else. I didn't put a supportive message on the NPPA site, that is unless of course you considered me suggesting they add Ashton Kutcher as another Director as being supportive........ |
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Kevin German, Photographer
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Ho Chi Minh City | Vietnam | | Posted: 3:22 AM on 02.11.10 |
| ->> I met him at a VII Seminar in LA several years back. He was just sitting smack in the middle of the audience not drawing a lick of attention to himself. He was talking with a few students in between talks and he was truly interested in what they were saying. He had that same "awe" look on his face as the students did when they were talking about their projects. I've been a fan of him ever since. I hope he can help move NPPA in a the right direction. |
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Thomas Boyd, Photographer
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Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 3:56 AM on 02.11.10 |
->> Chuck, it sounds like we have another candidate for NPPA office. You and Nick can run against each other, or you could be his running mate. You two are in the same region aren't you?
Sounds like a winning ticket to me. |
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Sean D. Elliot, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Norwich | CT | USA | Posted: 8:24 AM on 02.11.10 |
->> Mark, you got your Chucks mixed-up. It was Fadely who was positive. Mr. Liddy still has his curmudgeon up.
The NPPA is indeed a member-run organization. without volunteers to do most of the things we do ... well, you get the idea. The number of opportunities is quite large. We have committees in need of members, we have regions in need of chairs, we have education programs that can use volunteers. We have a board of directors made-up of volunteers.
I'm happy to hear constructive criticism, that's what got me onto the board a decade ago and keeps me interested, but I'm not really thrilled at full broadsides, especially when they come from people who's level of involvement in the organization is limited to lobbing virtual tomatoes.
How many of the critics commented in June when the board voted for a radical change in the governance structure? That's when the ability to appoint those three directors was created. That's when we changed the representation model for the board to at-large from regional. I saw not one comment on the web story about those changes.
With engaged volunteers the NPPA can accomplish a lot more than with a stable of monday-morning quarterbacks. Do you have a vision for what the NPPA could or should be doing? Get involved. If you've given-up on the organization so much that you aren't willing to be involved constructively, then really, your criticism is little more than self-aggrandizing vitriol.
Sean |
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John Germ, Photographer
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Wadsworth | Oh | USA | Posted: 9:51 AM on 02.11.10 |
| ->> some great comments here from people who actually met the man or have an open mind. Purely my opinion but it seems there's an attitude with some members that if you aren't employed by a newspaper you cant bring any value. I think it's that elitist, close-minded attitude which is more harmful than involving a celebrity who also has an ownership position and who has a healthy respect for the industry and people in general. It's good to see members here who have an open mind. |
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Chip Litherland, Photographer
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Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 10:11 AM on 02.11.10 |
->> Maybe he can institute some sort of Price is Right system for photographers to bid on jobs. Everyone tries to guess the retail value, and whoever comes closest (without going over) wins. Then everyone gets pissed when that one person comes along and bids $1 and wins.
Seriously, I'm with Seale on this one...why not? Anyone that can bring awareness to the profession and what we do daily is fine by me. Might work with the new creative director of Polaroid (Lady GaGa)...although it sounds like Drew has a much more genuine interest in our profession.
Chip |
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David A. Cantor, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Toledo | OH | USA | Posted: 10:14 AM on 02.11.10 |
| ->> Some of these opinions might matter more to me if they were from actual members of the organization........last time I checked dues are still less than $10 per month which is less than most folks' weekly Star*#ks budget...effective advocacy, especially in light of the post-9/11 clamp down on photography in public, requires strength in numbers as this site has sometimes proven......I'm just sayin'.... |
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Steve Apps, Photographer
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Madison | WI | USA | Posted: 10:30 AM on 02.11.10 |
| ->> If Mr. Carey continues to be a positive voice for photojournalism, I fully support his director role in the NPPA. I've been a member of the NPPA for 29-years and can only see good things coming out of this relationship. |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 11:32 AM on 02.11.10 |
| ->> as an act of full disclosure just so everyone knows I am NOT a member of the NPPA anymore. I dropped my membership several years ago when the membership rates got out of control and I really didn't think there was much to be offered. I really look at this as just another instance of our celebrity crazed society. I understand mr. carey likes to shoot photos but I kind of equate this with how a paparazzi can make several hundred thousand dollars off of one lurid photo but a news photographer can slug it out in the trenches every single day for years and barely pay the bills. it's the cult of personality. and to be honest, from what I'm reading on the message boards, this was not a well thought out move by the organization. it looked to me that 80% of the comments were people saying that this move was the last straw and memberships were being lost. the other 20% were comments by former and current board members circling the wagons. but, as folks say around here, I ain't got no dawg in this fight, I was just making a comment... |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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->> David
FYI, I am an NPPA Member |
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Kevin Martin, Photo Editor, Photographer
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Baton Rouge | LA | United States | Posted: 12:03 PM on 02.11.10 |
->> Full disclosure: I'm on the executive committee for NPPA. But I don't speak for NPPA as a whole.
This thread, and other outcries of criticism and support, are very encouraging to me. This thread shows that people still care about an organization that does nothing but care for other people.
Whether or not people choose to act out that care (by serving or volunteering) for NPPA is another matter. But kudos to all of you who are voicing your opinions. They matter.
-Kevin |
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Robert Caplin, Photographer
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New York | NY | USA | Posted: 12:46 PM on 02.11.10 |
->> I was a bit surprised at first by this announcement when I heard yesterday, enough so that I sent out a tweet linking to the article. Based on the amount of web traffic and discussion this decision has brought to NPPA via Twitter, FB, and message boards such as this one, I cant think there's any negative to Mr. Carey's board membership. As you can see, yesterday a lot of people (members and non-members alike) were chatting about NPPA and visiting the website: http://bit.ly/info/bHP4zx and that's only one tracking code...I imagine the NPPA website lit up with hits yesterday, only proving that this announcement brought major awareness to the organization as a whole. I think that's a good thing.
Maybe Drew will give shout-outs to NPPA after asks his Price Is Right viewers to spay and neuter their pets! :)
Robert |
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Tim Kelly, Photographer
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Troy | MI | USA | Posted: 1:02 PM on 02.11.10 |
->> Hmmm. A guy with a real full time job and a passion for photography ends up on a sideline or two. Attends a bunch of seminars, has enough cash to buy some nice kit. That part sounds like 85% of the members here.
NPPA decides to use his perspective as 1/15 of their board. Not sure if he's qualified or not, but he's not Aston, using a Coolpix and D40x to wow the wedding guests....
The only thing missing here is pictures FROM Drew Carey. Anyone have a link? |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 1:25 PM on 02.11.10 |
->> "There is no such thing as bad publicity, except your own obituary."
-Brendan Behan |
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Lee Weissman, Photographer
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XXXXX | NY | USA | Posted: 2:08 PM on 02.11.10 |
| ->> He has shot games in the Meadowlands and has wanted nothing more than to blend in, shoot the game and work like everyone else. He also is very approachable, and truly a nice guy. Not sure why a guy who for instance is also a lawyer, gets appointed and would be less offensive. It is amazing how people throw out some of these opinions without basis. |
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Jason Joseph, Photographer
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Dublin | OH | USA | Posted: 2:35 PM on 02.11.10 |
->> "Maybe Drew will give shout-outs to NPPA after asks his Price Is Right viewers to spay and neuter their pets!"
Hopefully he doesn't trip over his words and ask the viewing audience not to forget to get their NPPA members spayed or neutered. |
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Bradley Leeb, Photographer
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Brad Mangin, Photographer
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Pleasanton | CA | USA | Posted: 3:04 PM on 02.11.10 |
->> I joined the NPPA in 1986 (#17055) and am still a paying member. Back then the NPPA was the greatest thing in the world to me. They hit rock bottom around 1998 when they screwed freelancers by not fighting the AP and The New York Times when they shoved atrocious contracts down everyone's throats. That was also the time when Ellen LoCurto became executive director and almost shut down the organization completely through some incredible and embarrassing events that are still hard to believe. And hard to forgive.
Since then I believe they have tried hard and have been making a VERY slow comeback- led by Don Winslow's efforts with News Photographer Magazine. Our business and the NPPA have been on the verge of going in the toilet for several years now- if Drew Carey can bring some eyeballs to our profession and help all of us through his association then I think this is a GREAT move.
I have never met Drew but have heard great things about him as a photographer and as a person. The NPPA is really trying to fix their image and by bringing people like Tom Kennedy and Smiley Pool to the NPPA's national Board of Directors (along with Carey) then I must say things are looking up. Things cannot get any worse- they can only get better.
Nice job NPPA. |
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Jim Colburn, Photo Editor, Photographer
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McAllen | TX | USA | Posted: 3:39 PM on 02.11.10 |
| ->> From what I hear he's a decent guy with a genuine interest in photojournalism. Many companies and organizations have outside directors so why not the NPPA? I cannot see him bringing anything less than positive publicity to the organization and I'm sure he'd be able to do a damn funny stand-up routine at the next annual dinner. |
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor
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San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 3:45 PM on 02.11.10 |
->> Chuck, Yep, I mixed up my Chucks. Sorry about that.
--Mark |
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Jesse Beals, Photographer
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Tracyton | WA | USA | Posted: 4:20 PM on 02.11.10 |
->> Give the guy a chance. Way to much crybaby crying on this post. If he helps us in this business then it's a bonus for “ALL OF US”. I am sure the majority of the un-employed photographers across the country just praying to get another break in this industry would probably thank him if it helped get them back into what they love to do “TAKING PICTURES”.
If he doesn't help, then chalk it up as an attempt to help save a dieing industry that failed. Lets be honest here, everybody on this site needs any help that they can get. No jobs these days are safe and I mean no jobs. The photojournalism industry is dead, face the fact it’s a reality. We all know this but have not accepted it because we hold onto hope of the love for what we do.
Editorial photography has turned into free Google download show / file sharing business. The pros and the weekend warriors are starting to even out on the playing field. The PR Drew can bring to the table could and should shine some light towards the real working photographers and let businesses know if they want to have good quality photography they need to pay for a PROFESSIONAL and stop accepting free work from the average Joe. |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 6:12 PM on 02.11.10 |
| ->> Mark, that's okay. Us old guys get confused a lot. I just hated that you defamed that other poor dude by mixing him up with me. 8) |
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Alan Look, Photographer
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Bloomington/Normal | IL | United States | Posted: 6:13 PM on 02.11.10 |
->> I'll sponsor Drew if he needs one to be a member here. He would help me attain the goal of us all needing to laugh and smile more.
I'm in wait and see mode on the NPPA appointment. I'm hoping for the best.
Welcome Drew! |
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William Purnell, Photographer
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Wichita | Ks | | Posted: 1:21 AM on 02.12.10 |
->> Sort of a side note, but I found this an interesting part of the article:
"Drew Carey is also an owner of the Seattle Sounders FC (Major League Soccer)"
For all of you guys that keep asking how to get press passes and sideline access. |
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Mike Anzaldi, Photographer
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Oak Park | IL | USA | Posted: 11:25 PM on 02.12.10 |
->> chuck- the title is "the end is truly near"
what is your opinion here? you didn't really say.
is this appointment a bad thing?
what's the role of a nppa board member anyway? |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 12:31 AM on 02.13.10 |
| ->> it is though isn't it? 8) |
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Sean D. Elliot, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Norwich | CT | USA | Posted: 11:44 AM on 02.13.10 |
->> Mike, thanks for the hanging curve :-)
from the NPPA's bylaws:
Mission
The National Press Photographers Association is dedicated to the advancement of visual journalism, its creation, practice, training, editing and distribution, in all news media and works to promote its role as a vital public service.
Object
The objects and purposes of this association are to advance visual journalism in all its forms.
• Encourage visual journalists to reflect high standards of quality in their professional performance and in their personal code of ethics. NPPA strives to create, promote and maintain a high spirit of community and a high standard of conduct among its members.
• Oppose violations and infringements of the rights of visual journalists or their organizations. It strives to promote a better understanding of visual journalists’ problems.
• Support legislation favorable to, and oppose legislation unfavorable or prejudicial to visual journalists. It shall work to maintain freedom of the press in all its forms, and to execute the constitutional rights of journalists.
• Cooperate with all recognized local visual journalism associations consistent with the aims and objectives of NPPA.
• Provide educational opportunities for those involved in all forms of visual journalism.
• Commit to reflecting diversity in all of NPPA’s activities.
Chuck's opinion has been notably absent beyond the naming of this thread in the first place ... |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 11:49 AM on 02.13.10 |
| ->> MIA.....no one cares what I think anyway Sean! 8) I mean look how many huh's I got!! LOL!! |
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