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7D vs. Mark IV
Long Nguyen, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Albuquerque | NM | USA | Posted: 10:44 PM on 01.16.10 |
->> I need to purchase a new body. I am a poor college kid so this is a hard decision for me. I have a 5D Mark II but i need something that is quicker but have the image quality like the 5D mark II.
7D with a battery grip is 1900.
1.6 crop
8fps
Mark IV is 5000
1.3X
10fps
Should i go with the 7D or spend the EXTRA 3000 and go for the Mark IV. Is 3000 extra worth it? they both have high ISO and megapixel. I dunno what to do. Thats also 3000 i could spend on other things. What are your thoughts? |
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Darren Whitley, Photographer
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Northwest Missouri | MO | USA | Posted: 11:16 PM on 01.16.10 |
->> Buy the cheaper camera, period! Two years from now, you'll need or want a new one anyway.
The only excuse you have for the pro body is if you're making a ton of money freelancing. But if you only bring in $5K per year, it's a losing proposition until you can buy a Mark IV as a used camera.
Cost vs profits. No excuses. Listen to Dave Ramsey's podcast in the meantime. |
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Anantachai Brown, Photographer
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Jacksonville | FL | | Posted: 1:02 AM on 01.17.10 |
| ->> in your case...7D. i have one, its a very responsive camera. use the extra money to buy fast primes. |
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Michael Ip, Photographer
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New York | NY | USA | Posted: 1:27 AM on 01.17.10 |
->> I second (and third) what Darren and Anantachai suggest. You don't need a $5k body right now. It's not bringing you in any money and it sure isn't going to help you learn any better.
That being said, at your price point, you could also consider a used 1dmkIII. Just make sure the AF is good on it. |
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Russ Isabella, Photographer
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Salt Lake City | UT | USA | Posted: 1:48 AM on 01.17.10 |
| ->> If you're a "poor" college kid, how can you even be thinking about the 1DIV? I typically don't associate your characterization with the opportunity to spend "the EXTRA 3000." Stay in school... |
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Matt Wier, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Santa Barbara | CA | USA | Posted: 2:44 AM on 01.17.10 |
| ->> If you don't want to dump on a 1D4, why not a go with a used 1D MkIII instead of the 7D? You lose video but you gain the 1.3 crop, pro body build, faster AF, and high FPS. |
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David Seelig, Photographer
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Hailey | ID | USA | Posted: 2:47 AM on 01.17.10 |
| ->> Actually I disagree the best tools help make good images. I like the 7d but i know the better image quality will help him get established. Always goet the best tools you can. That said if he will no no low light work never blow up an image much not use wide angles much. Then get a 7d. A 24 1.4 on a 1d mk1v is about a 30 mm lens remember the crop is 1.26 on a 1.6 crop it is about a 37 mm lens. One of the benefits to using canon is fast wide primes. Long examine what you shoot and what you need. That will give you your answer. |
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Jack Arent, Photographer, Assistant
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Alameda | CA | | Posted: 4:06 AM on 01.17.10 |
->> I tested out a 7D for a minute a few weeks ago and I wasn't impressed with the AF or the shutter lag (I'm comparing to a 1D series camera). What I did is test the AF indoors under average widow light conditions by tracking back and forth between two objects near and far in servo mode, in short it was OK.
Don't read into the specs of what the manufacture states the frames per second count is, the 7D is more like 2.5 to 3.5 fps. I don't think you want to buy a mid level camera that shoots fast, unless you are interested in creating a composite style image where you can track the flight of an athlete over a jump for example, or if you enjoy editing. Keep in mind that FAST, as in fps doesn't mean the shutter is as responsive as a "D" series camera.
If you want a camera designed for action I would go with a 1D M2n and deal with the ISO limitations, and use your 5D when needed, and save thirty two hundred dollars. Long- say that number again and let it sink in...
Don't buy a Mark IV, you are in school learning and the purchase of a Mark IV can't be justified. Bodies lose their value fast, you can buy a IV in two years used for half the cost. You would be better off spending the savings on a used 300mm since lenses hold their value better than bodies. |
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Michael L. Palmieri, Photographer
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Barnegat | NJ | USA | Posted: 7:59 AM on 01.17.10 |
| ->> Not sure what your medium is -- magazine, newspaper, etc. -- but my IIn makes wonderful files. Sure, the new bodies you mentioned have more megapixels, but if you need a fast AF body for action events, the IIn might be a much more cost-effective option. You'd be getting a proven 1-series body in combination with the high-resolution 5D you already have. |
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James Broome, Photographer
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Tampa | FL | US | Posted: 10:20 AM on 01.17.10 |
->> Journalism work? I'll agree with the 1DMkIIn suggestions. Hands down.
Art-type stuff? Probably the 7D. |
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Alan Look, Photographer
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Bloomington/Normal | IL | United States | Posted: 12:17 PM on 01.17.10 |
| ->> www.keh.com |
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Alan Look, Photographer
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Bloomington/Normal | IL | United States | Posted: 12:18 PM on 01.17.10 |
| ->> Or call Jody Grober at Roberts and see what he has used or refurbed. |
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Anantachai Brown, Photographer
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Jacksonville | FL | | Posted: 12:58 PM on 01.17.10 |
| ->> i had a Mrk II N....i'd still choose the 7D |
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Greg Foster, Photographer
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Atlanta | GA | | Posted: 1:07 PM on 01.17.10 |
->> You asked "what are your thoughts?"
If you really are a poor college kid, and you already have a 5d Mark II, you don't need another camera. If you have $5000.00 laying around, and you are trying to figure out what to do with it, put it in the bank.
Other than high iso capability (which your 5D Mark II has), a new camera is not going to help you take better pictures.
Just my thoughts... |
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Long Nguyen, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Albuquerque | NM | USA | Posted: 2:21 PM on 01.17.10 |
->> Alright. Thanks for everyone's thoughts. Super Helpful.
So no Mark IV.
What if I bought a used Mark III. Would people prefer to buy a 7D over a Mark III? I know some of my friends in the freelance biz are all selling their Mark III cause they didn't like it. But i do have others who love theres with the up dated system. and the average used Mark III is about 2300 and i am willing to spend the extra 400 for it.
Yeah i am a poor college kid but I do have some room to play with. I usually spend my money traveling to events to shoot. But yeah. |
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David Seelig, Photographer
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Hailey | ID | USA | Posted: 3:00 PM on 01.17.10 |
->> HI Long
I would prefer a good mk 111 to a 7d you shoot action you get the best. My biggest client does not accept the 7d but does the mk111 . I am getting the mk 1v will be selling my mk111s over time. I do like the 7d but the mk111 to me is the better camera. I still say though contact Jody at Roberts get a mk 1v. I have better autofocus in hs gyms with the mk111 then the 7d . Every where else the 7d is fine |
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Darren Whitley, Photographer
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Northwest Missouri | MO | USA | Posted: 5:25 PM on 01.17.10 |
| ->> Try before you buy on a Mark III. |
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Diana Porter, Photographer
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Houston | TX | USA | Posted: 10:44 PM on 01.17.10 |
| ->> Go with the 7D. Get established and then go into debt for a new pro body. |
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David Seelig, Photographer
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Hailey | ID | USA | Posted: 11:56 PM on 01.17.10 |
| ->> A long time ago Chuck Solomon of SI told me to always get the best glass I can otherwise assignments will go elsewhere. In this day and age that means get the best IQ possible and like it or not hat means the best camera body as well as lenses, get the mk 1v or 111 |
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Patrick Fallon, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Columbia | MO | USA | Posted: 5:00 AM on 01.18.10 |
->> Long,
Do NOT buy a Mk IV. Get the 7D or a 1DMKIIN, or maybe a MkIII that has been fixed.
Why? Because THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS is a LOT of money - you could get a 300 f/2.8, pocket wizards and remote gear, lighting/flash equipment, oh or INSURANCE [don't assume your parent's homeowners will cover it all].
You have a 5DMKII - thats one heck of a camera in the right hands.
Now gear aside, what are you trying to achieve? What kind of work do you really want to do in the long term? |
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David Seelig, Photographer
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Hailey | ID | USA | Posted: 11:54 AM on 01.18.10 |
->> Everyone if you look at his member page it is action photography
David |
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Brian Dowling, Photographer
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Philadelphia | PA | USA | Posted: 12:01 PM on 01.18.10 |
->> I would say list your lenses first.
I would much rather have a 1D2N + 300 2.8 IS than a 1D4 and just have a 70-200 for sports. |
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Darren Whitley, Photographer
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Northwest Missouri | MO | USA | Posted: 12:58 PM on 01.18.10 |
| ->> Test and find a good Mark III. |
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Nigel Farrow, Photographer
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Suffolk | UK | United Kingdom | Posted: 1:48 PM on 01.18.10 |
->> Ask your friends who are happy with their MkIII if they are planning to sell it in order so they can upgrade to a MkIV. You'll know how it has been treated and be able to test it properly and they'll know they will be getting the money.
Whilst the MkIIN is a good camera it is now around 3 years old. Seeing how Canon are handling repairs of older lenses I wonder how easy it will be to get it Pro repaired in a couple of years time when, even though probably upgrading to the MkV by then, this purchase could still prove useful as a remote/spare body so giving you a better return on the investment. |
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Mike Anzaldi, Photographer
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Oak Park | IL | USA | Posted: 2:07 PM on 01.18.10 |
->> the 7d is a small mark3.
they are the same, no?
similar image quality, speed, iso performance. if you need video, get a 7d. if you don't, mark3.
you can beat the ever-loving hell out of a mark3, and get it wet. if you find one that has good auto-focus, you can be confident that you have canon's best news/sports camera short of the mark4. |
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Greg Foster, Photographer
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Atlanta | GA | | Posted: 4:57 PM on 01.18.10 |
->> Man, being a poor college kid has changed a lot since I was in school, and took out a student loan for a couple hundred dollars to buy a Nikon FM body.
Long, I'm just curious, why do you feel you need the body? If you are making money shooting these events, and need a backup body, I can totally understand that. Otherwise, I just don't see why you would spend so much money when you already have a great body in the 5D MarkII. The higher fps is not going to make you a better photographer. In fact, in my opinion, if you force yourself to shoot slower and not use the motor, the SLOWER fps might make you a better photographer, at this stage of your game. (Look at the great older stuff shot on Hasselblads and FM2s.) I also don't understand the concept of having to have such new, high priced bodies to have acceptable quality. The glass I do understand, but not the body, at least not for a student. The newest and hippest sensor is not going to make you a better photographer. What about a 40D? Pretty fast motor drive if that's important, and a lot less money than what you are looking at. (Of course, it might not look as cool to other photographers, but I sure as hell wouldn't worry about that.) I guess I just can't get my head around a student having this dilemma, and I'd like to see you save your money. Not for long lenses, or pocket wizards, or stuff like that, but for the future, when you get out of school and can use it. (ESPECIALLY if you are planning to try to do photography full time.) Of course, if you can absorb the financial hit and not flinch, you are fortunate, and you should ignore everything I say and call Jody at Roberts. He will be GLAD to fix you up...
I also think there is some excellent advice above about insurance - if you are going to have this high dollar stuff stashed around a dorm, or a shared house, or anywhere without a security system, it had better be insured, and that ain't cheap.
Take my advice for what it is worth, which is probably not much - it is coming from a guy who could hardly care less about fancy equipment, other than my long term allegiance to and affection for Hasselblads.
Besides, you are probably a lot smarter than me, as your concentration in school is in marketing, and not photography...whatever you do, best of luck. |
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Long Nguyen, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Albuquerque | NM | USA | Posted: 9:08 PM on 01.21.10 |
->> Hey Greg
I wanted another body for back up. I don't necessarily need 10fps but i want the speed. I want the 2 to 3 frames in a click rather than click..click....click. Dont get me wrong i love my 5D Mark II. when the 5D Mark II came out and the 1D Mark III i hand the money for a Mark III but i just loved the 5D Mark II more. I am a single frame shooter so i don't hold down the trigger very often.
Marketing is a fall back plan but i want to pursue photography as a profession. Just in case
I have done some work for Red Bull and have started a relationship and they require a camera that shoots 10mpx so Mark IIn is not an option haha. But the screen and quality of the 5D mark II is spoiling.
I do understand what you are saying. Thanks for all the tips |
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Greg Foster, Photographer
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Atlanta | GA | | Posted: 11:01 AM on 01.22.10 |
->> Long, if you are working and making money with the camera, I totally understand...I just wasn't clear on that...and good for you for making some money with your photography while still in school. I'd still lean towards the lower priced bodies if I were you, but you seem to have a pretty good idea of what you are doing.
You are smart to have the marketing background as a backup plan...again, best of luck. |
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Steve Saunders, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Dublin | IE | Ireland | Posted: 8:16 AM on 02.04.10 |
| ->> If you want a camera for fast action, the 5DII isn't the best choice. The AF isn't up to the job and frame rate is merely adequate. |
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Steve Saunders, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Dublin | IE | Ireland | Posted: 8:17 AM on 02.04.10 |
->> Sorry I misread the title and thought you were looking for a 5DII comparison.
Get the 7D, it will do fine until you have the money for a pro body. |
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David Welker, Photographer, Student/Intern
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Springfield | MO | USA | Posted: 8:56 AM on 02.04.10 |
->> Long,
If redbull is asking you to have a camera that is 10fps then why are you even considering the 7d? It is rated at 8,5fps. The same as a 1dmk2. So I see a problem in your logic. If I were you I would look into a 1dmk2 + good glass or a mk3. That being said I fully believe that the best tools only help you make great images so ill play devils advocate and say go for the 1dnk4. It will last you some time as a college student and you will have the best camera on the market that canon makes.
Just a thought. |
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