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Poinsettia Bowl fiasco Part 2
Mark J. Terrill, Photographer
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Simi Valley | CA | USA | Posted: 6:55 PM on 01.04.10 |
->> Thomas,
That was a rather long winded response to what I thought was clearly a rhetorical question.
Believe me, I'm fully aware of who owns my copyright. The question was mostly tongue in cheek. You have to admit, though, that he has huge balls for stealing my picture and putting it on his Facebook profile page.
About your original post, I'm pretty sure that I'm not the only one that doesn't get your point or care.
The lack of professionalism and consideration for others is what is important here, not who actually blocked my picture. If Andrew and Christopher Hanewinckel, both with US Presswire had been fast enough to block my shot along with Donald Miralle, they would have.
>> Mark-
Obviously the last time I'm making a funny comment. You're getting closer to my point, but twisting the words in to a square knot. Go here:
http://images.google.com/images?client=safari&rls=en&q=gatorade%20dump%20ph...
I'm not going to bicker further on this publicly since we're on two different wavelengths. It's making us both look like children and apparently one of us isn't going to go "Oh, okay yea, I see your point but..." You can have the last word on it if you want or we can continue this privately.
Now then, if you're going to be this serious about my comment, I'll stop joking around and be serious about yours.
As for lifting your photo, personally (you know my history of being a copyright advocate) I find that more heinous than stepping on the field. Pulling a photo without asking the photographer permission is something that the rest of the world does, not us. We're _supposed_ to know better than that. If you see him at a game again anytime soon, grab his camera or laptop and say you're just using it for personal use.
"Should I be honored Thomas or file a lawsuit. Which is most fair?"
My first thought was; "I wonder how AP files their images at the Copyright Office"? Monthly? Daily? By photographer? The whole take? How do they keep track of it all?
My second thought was; technically you (personally) can not file a lawsuit, leaving your only available option of those two to be honored, which is the wrong reaction to have in a situation like this. During one of my lawsuits against EPA, a colleague actually asked my why I wasn't honored they "stole" my photo and that I should try to leverage it in to getting more work... There wasn't a single fleeting moment that I felt even remotely flattered about the whole thing.
Filing a suit against him is like trying to heat up your cocoa with a Tsar Bomba. Expensive hyperoverkill. The offense of the usage ranks even lower than if it were used on a blog since it's not publicly viewable. However they are still worth a cease and desist letter to start anteing up the damages in the cause of willful infringment. In the past when I had a widespread infringement, the person doing the redistribution was the one we really targeted, then since all the paperwork and research was already done and paid for, the bloggers (and by virtue, the facebookers) were tagged on to the file and sent cease and desist orders to minimize expenses and maximize the scope.
Most attorneys are going to tell you it's a disproportionate return on investment to just target one blogger because that $250,000 in damages limit is most applicable when the image is being redistributed for financial gain. Personal uses like that are more in the ball park of what the usage rate would have been plus a multiplier. So why pay an attorney $450 an hour when the settlement is only worth $300?
The reason I said you couldn't file a lawsuit is because as a staffer for AP, you're images are owned by AP and you can't file on their behalf. The contract I have with AP however allows either party to file on their own behalf. Harken back to the AP/Mannie Garcia/Shepard Fairey conundrum. There was no contract in place stating the terms of who owns the rights, so AP assumed that like a majority of the rest of it's contracts, they owned the rights to the photos and hence were justified in filing any suits. So for everyone out there currently looking over a staff or freelance contract, try to word in duality. Anyway, back to point, you can bring this to the attention of AP legal and they can send the cease and desist letter on their own behalf. Unfortunately, after the recent layoffs the legal department (I'm not even sure who's left now) is running a little light and a lot of the "little things" are so far on the back burner that they're behind the stove. For example I've been waiting two months for a contract amendment but was told they wouldn't be able to get to it until after the Superbowl. C&D though should be boilerplate so who knows. If you get all of Andrew's contact information and hand deliver it to them, maybe they can spit one out.
As you can see, the legal process is full of caveats and nuances. The only real reward is the personal satisfaction of scaring the person. Although, we always seem ready to pick up pitchforks out other photographers, so the other option is to keep mentioning this publicly to embarrass them enough to take the photo down. Frontier justice in the internet generation. |
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Thomas E. Witte, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Cincinnati | OH | USA | Posted: 7:30 PM on 01.04.10 |
->> Rick; perfect example of what I was mentioned in our email exchange? You're correct though, way to far off point, so I'm just letting the thread go.
Mark I let you have the last word like I promised. We can continue this privately if you like. |
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Jamie Sabau, Photographer
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Jamie Sabau, Photographer
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Thomas E. Witte, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Cincinnati | OH | USA | Posted: 8:02 PM on 01.04.10 |
->> Jamie-
Good Lord. I can't believe TWO cardinal rules were broken at once on this.
That's Kurt Coleman, not Jaamal Berry. |
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Jody Gomez, Photographer
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Murrieta | CA | USA | Posted: 8:18 PM on 01.04.10 |
->> Come on guys - let's be fair - as you ALL know, college rosters often have more than one player to a number. If you're not familiar with the team, it's very easy to get them mixed up when they are not on the field in their position. I'm sure you've all done it - I know I have.
Let's cut Chris a little slack here, shall we? I know him well and he's a good guy. |
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Jamie Sabau, Photographer
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Pickerington | OH | US | Posted: 8:32 PM on 01.04.10 |
->> Jody,
Unfortunately, in journalism, multiple roster numbers is not a viable defense. Check your facts twice.
Anyway, I know it's hindsight, but I refer you to this once again.
http://www.sportsshooter.com/members.html?id=535
Look at the player on the far right. |
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David Shea, Photographer
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Riverside | CA | USA | Posted: 8:52 PM on 01.04.10 |
->> From this point on, I think I'll copy and paste this post by Rick Rickman into every thread that talks about a photographer "fiasco," "clusterf#@&" or lawless scrum.
->> I've said this before and at risk of being the broken record.
There will never be a shortage of ignorance in the world. Photographers complain endlessly about the restrictions that are placed on them by event organizers and yet they continue to do selfishly stupid and moronic things that end up placing more restrictions on the process and this industry.
The biggest issue is always someone who doesn't have the technical skill to effectively focus a longer lens with confidence or, ones who don't really have any kind of self awareness and respect for their peers and think by shooting one picture their career will be made forever who create these kinds of issues.
Stupidity, Selfishness, Insecurity, and Desperation are way too prevalent in this business these days. Photographers really need to remember that this is a very small community populated by many very talented individuals with long memories. Alienating one's peers and stepping on toes needlessly is not the most intelligent of moves.
We also haven't been all that great at self policing our industry and to that end, I'd really like to thank Mark Terrill for taking the initiative of pointing out the names of a couple individuals related to this event. That kind of self policing needs to be more prevalent. I think that would help eliminate some of the mindless and selfish behavior we see too often. |
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Thomas E. Witte, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Cincinnati | OH | USA | Posted: 8:57 PM on 01.04.10 |
->> Sure I did it once. Then I got reprimanded and had to take a journalism class at the local university. I hated it at the time but it taught me a very valuable lesson and that's to verify facts.
If you ever run in to this situation, most universities and pro teams have their rosters online with player bios attached.
http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17300&SPID=1040...
Click on both number fours, then check what they look like. If they don't have an online roster, then you can usually google their name and browse the photos link. |
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Rick Rickman, Photographer
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Laguna Niguel | CA | USA | Posted: 9:01 PM on 01.04.10 |
->> Good Guy ? Good Guy ? Since when do " Good Guys" take it upon themselves to make things harder for their industry by ignoring all the rules and being so oblivious to everyone else and ... P***ing off many of their peers.
That slips out from under any definition of good guy I've ever seen.
Peripherally propping up bad behavior even in the slightest doesn't do anybody any good.
Performing badly and adding insult to injury by being a sloppy journalist just compounds poor judgement issues. |
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Mark J. Terrill, Photographer
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Simi Valley | CA | USA | Posted: 9:24 PM on 01.04.10 |
->> Jody,
I believe you and I'm sure Chris is a good guy and probably won't do it again.
Just to be clear and fair. I'm sure Rick and myself included have made some regrettable mistakes in our long careers. I don't think it's possible not to but we learned from them. When it becomes repititious, it's no longer a mistake. At least one of these photographers has made a habit of doing this in his very short career and clearly isn't the least bit sorry. |
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Michael Proebsting, Photographer
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Barrington | IL | USA | Posted: 9:40 PM on 01.04.10 |
| ->> I say really punish the Presswire shooters and make them return their $2 usage fee, six months from now when they get it. |
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Will Lester, Photographer
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Ontario | CA | USA | Posted: 9:57 PM on 01.04.10 |
| ->> I've heard from a reliable source that at least one of these photog's has had their credential yanked from the BCS Championship game. |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 10:39 PM on 01.04.10 |
| ->> Jody, love ya but if I tell my editor there were three #4's on the team and I didn't know who was who so I just oicked one out I would be in serious trouble. Not saying I've never made a mistake but there are media guides with mug shuts of evry kid in them. If you're unsure, part of being a professional is to make sure you're right. Just saying. |
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Jody Gomez, Photographer
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Murrieta | CA | USA | Posted: 10:44 PM on 01.04.10 |
->> Okay okay - consider me lashed. I stand corrected.
:~) |
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Luke Sharrett, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Washington | DC | United States | Posted: 11:17 PM on 01.04.10 |
| ->> Hey does anyone know where I could get some NFL credentials? :^) |
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Louis Lopez, Photographer
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Fontana | CA | USA | Posted: 3:05 AM on 01.05.10 |
->> I decided to post the following because as Mark posted above it appears at least one of these guys "clearly isn't the least bit sorry"
I have been receiving quite a few emails from people who know them with information on these two guys reaction to the whole thing on this incident, since posting and this guy Andrew needs to just keep quiet as he seems to be digging a very large hole for himself.
Speaking of not being the least bit sorry, this apparently is the attitude of Andrew Weber
about his actions. I have removed names to keep the persons who sent me these emails anonymous.
(I did keep the originals in case any Fed's show up looking to see the source, but they will need a subponea.)
Excerpts from several emails sent to me About Andrew.
"Andrew, on the other hand, in an ***** to me said he has no qualms about this and openly admitted to doing next time. His BCS credential was pulled."
"I agree 100% with you about Andrew. In the brief ***** Andrew and I had back and forth, he came across as a punk. I've never met him or talked to him before and don't care to in the future."
An Excerpt about Chris.
"I'm not trying to condone his behavior - but I think it's a learned lesson. He took this hard, which I take to mean that he truly cares about shooting and the people he works with. I hope you know me well enough to know that if I thought for one second he was like Andrew, I'd be first in line to kick his ass."
It seems at least one of these guys may have realized he made a mistake. |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 11:42 AM on 01.05.10 |
| ->> Hey Mark, looks like he yanked that photo of his FB page. Hopefully, what Louis reported is true and his credential was pulled from the BCS game. That's the only thing some of these yahoos understand...that or a monopod up aside the head. 8) |
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Jon Gardiner, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 12:44 PM on 01.05.10 |
| ->> So, was his (Andrew Weber) credential pulled as an individual, or is his agency in jeopardy now? I do find it strange that there were two folks from the same agency vying for the same moment while scrambling on the field. I mean, they're right next to each other in Robert Beck's photo. I would think that some planning ahead of time would have been made. That is of course, if they even knew they were there for the same agency. Hmmmm... Food for thought. |
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Nick Morris, Photographer
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San Marcos | CA | United States | Posted: 1:21 PM on 01.05.10 |
| ->> 10 second rule!!!! |
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
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Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 4:20 PM on 01.05.10 |
->> Lemme get this straight...the guy missed the shot, loses his credential to the BCS championship game...and he would do it again?
Guess Ron White was right...you can't fix stupid. |
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Michael Fischer, Photographer
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Spencer | Ia | USA | Posted: 5:25 PM on 01.05.10 |
->> Sssssss Lllllllll Ooooooooo Wwwwwwwww
Learner anyone? |
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Matthew Sauk, Photographer
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Sandy | UT | United States | Posted: 6:28 PM on 01.05.10 |
->> Chuck,
is there somewhere this guy is talking or something? I have read over the topics and I can't find where this person said they would do it again? |
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Kevin Seale, Photographer
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Crawfordsville | IN | United States | Posted: 6:34 PM on 01.05.10 |
| ->> Matt - It is part of the post from Louis Lopez above. |
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Matthew Sauk, Photographer
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Sandy | UT | United States | Posted: 6:43 PM on 01.05.10 |
->> Damn I thought I read every post :(
Thanks Kevin |
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Duane Burleson, Photographer
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Yamil Sued, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Peoria | AZ | USA | Posted: 7:56 PM on 01.05.10 |
->> One of these days someone is going to get pissed and they are going to pour the Gatorade over some Photographer and ruin $10K of Digital Gear!!
It really needs to happen soon!!
Y |
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Mike Brice, Photographer
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Ogden | UT | USA | Posted: 8:03 PM on 01.05.10 |
->> Yamil,
I bet Andrew feels like someone dumped Gatorade on him - or wishes that. There is insurance for gear, not for your reputation.
I don't think there will be a third time in front of the Gatorade for him.
You would think an apology would go along ways. |
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Matthew Sauk, Photographer
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Sandy | UT | United States | Posted: 8:23 PM on 01.05.10 |
->> Duane,
At least he was dressed better that time around. |
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Mark Peters, Photographer
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Highland | IL | USA | Posted: 9:26 PM on 01.05.10 |
| ->> Is that shirt from the Flying with Fish Plaid Bonanza collection? |
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Joel Hawksley, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Kent | OH | USA | Posted: 9:29 PM on 01.05.10 |
->> Guys, let's step back for a minute. This happens all the time.
With a just a quick search on Getty, it's pretty darn easy to find examples of countless other photographers doing the same thing.
That being said, making an example of Andrew brings up a good point that needs to be discussed, and that is the necessity of wide-angle jubo shots at or near the end of games/matches.
Robert's post on the Yankee's World Series victory is an excellent example of how successful images can be made when no one bum-rushes the field after a victory:
http://sportsshooteracademy.com/2009/11/05/the-clinch-game-its-all-about-th.../
The fact of the matter is that at events such as the Rose bowl, there are simply too many photographers for the current situation to work out in favor of more than the 3-4 people who are able to sneak past security into the bench area.
As the team photographer for Ohio University, I have full bench access during the season, but even when I am between the 30's I always make sure that at no time am I blocking the shot of another shooter, even if they are 40 yards down the line with a 400mm (Such as Mark T. was in this situation).
It's simple math. When you have 75+ people shooting a game, angles are going to be blocked if one person breaks the line of sight down field. It's no different than one person taking a step (or knee) over the line and blocking the shot of everyone behind them. Either way, it doesn't make it right. |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 9:41 PM on 01.05.10 |
| ->> Joel, I think the point of this whole clusterf#@k is people are finally getting pissed...the internet connects everyone...you have an attitude such as andrew (read previous statements) and it starts a firestorm. I actually think this is good. Maybe this will cause some self policing. And just because "it happens all the time" doesn't make it right. plain and simple, that my friend is the bottom line. |
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Joel Hawksley, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Kent | OH | USA | Posted: 9:48 PM on 01.05.10 |
->> Chuck-
I'm sorry if I came off with an attitude. What I was trying to say is that this is a good example that we can learn from, a perfect example of a larger issue.
Believe me, I have been screwed over more times than I can count by people who didn't follow the rules.
You are completely right. The internet is a great resource for this reason, and maybe this will be enough to cause the "self policing". It lets us look out for one another. |
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Jamie Sabau, Photographer
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Pickerington | OH | US | Posted: 9:57 PM on 01.05.10 |
->> Chuck,
With all due respect-because you're right-,but I think the bottom line here is that, according to photographers who were there, there was a mandatory meeting BEFORE the game that strictly forbade the photographers from stepping onto the field before the end of official time. And yet, three photographers still thought they were above the rules and brazenly ignored them.
The real issue here is not who got the shot and who didn't because of these three impeding everyone's view. The real issue is the age-old adage "a few bad apples spoils the bunch." These three guys, like it or not, represent the whole cadre of photographers at the Rose Bowl in the eyes of the Rose Bowl officials and they broke the rule for their own gain. And let me tell you, it didn't look good on television either. (BTW, anyone ever notice that NOT even the mobile TV camera person was in that fracas?) The Rose Bowl and other bowl games were watching and restrictions on photographers could get tighter in the future because of it. |
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Matthew Sauk, Photographer
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Sandy | UT | United States | Posted: 11:39 PM on 01.05.10 |
| ->> Anyone watching this fedex bowl? Anyone see the gatorade shower? Looked quite familiar.. |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 11:46 PM on 01.05.10 |
->> this is how WE deal with that kind of crap!
www.sportsshooter.com/funpix_view.html?id=9063 |
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Anantachai Brown, Photographer
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Jacksonville | FL | | Posted: 11:50 PM on 01.05.10 |
| ->> noticed that also....looked like a big cluster f*&^. |
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Mike Janes, Photographer
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Attica | NY | USA | Posted: 1:11 AM on 01.06.10 |
| ->> Agree with Nick (seriously someone gave him a "huh"?) - 10 second rule like they had in the World Series this year for Bowl games as well. I had this happen at the state finals with a bunch of people who shouldn't of gotten credentials in the first place - they were lost out there just wanting to be close, some weren't even shooting the celebration and just standing there. Hope they put in a 10 second rule at least. |
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Mike Anzaldi, Photographer
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Oak Park | IL | USA | Posted: 1:25 AM on 01.06.10 |
->> so, the bottom line is that a bunch of people are pretty worked up about not getting the most unoriginal picture humanly possible at a college football game. i mean, really, the cooler over the head? you could walk in with 5 minutes to go in the game and get the shot from the 20th row with a 500mm and guarantee no obstruction- if it was really necessary. you guys are mad about not getting a clean shot that i hope to god no photo editor would choose to use.
i know. don't flip your lids. the point is that the rules were broken and now the threat level has been raised to orange. even though it's a boring and over-done picture, everyone still needs it and everyone is entitled to make it without obstruction. i totally get it, and completely agree. again- i TOTALLY get it, and COMPLETELY agree. that being said, i think the guy has been thoroughly worked by the community over this mistake. it's not surprising to hear he is defiant even after the beat-down. my 4 year-old does the same thing. she gets pissed at ME if she gets caught out. it's a pretty classic reaction to being called on something you know you shouldn't have done. the punishment here seems stiff, however. photogaphers are posting their blocked shots all over in an attempt to visually support their justifiable anger. heck, chuck even suggested a beating- and posted a pictorial demo! it's just a little bit interesting to me. people are so mad that they are fantasizing about causing injury to the guilty party- even if they are only half-serious.
look, it's like the 'giving away work' debate. there is always going to be those who don't care about fair pay. and there is always going to be the dude or car or kangaroo who wanders into the perfect frame. just pray that it's the utterly useless and unoriginal frame of the gatorade being poured over the coaches head, and not the winning touchdown catch.
i don't think a public message board (or physical) beating is going to cure these inevitables. it might make you feel better for a minute though- and sometimes that is worth it, i suppose. i guess i'm just noticing that these pissing matches often seem to diminish the original and very legitimate complaints. we get it. it's unanimous. he was wrong. at it will happen again with a different shooter.
andrew-
don't walk onto the football field anymore. it's against the rules, and it riles people. |
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Jeremy Harmon, Photo Editor, Photographer
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Salt Lake City | UT | USA | Posted: 2:27 AM on 01.06.10 |
->> "you guys are mad about not getting a clean shot that i hope to god no photo editor would choose to use."
I'm a photo editor and I chose to centerpiece a shot of Urban Meyer getting drenched after Florida's win.
He used to be the coach at the University of Utah and people in Salt Lake are still really interested in him. Since he is retiring, and has a large local following, he was the central focus of our coverage leading up to and during the game. Our readers care more about the coach then the rest of the team.
Just sayin'. |
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Nick Morris, Photographer
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San Marcos | CA | United States | Posted: 3:20 AM on 01.06.10 |
| ->> Mike I got the HUH from someone who can't count past six so he's bummed about being left out. No biggy |
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Anantachai Brown, Photographer
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Jacksonville | FL | | Posted: 8:01 AM on 01.06.10 |
| ->> there is a photo on uspresswire.com of the gatorade shower....whoever was across the field trying to get the shot will be very happy. |
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Mike Brice, Photographer
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Ogden | UT | USA | Posted: 9:19 AM on 01.06.10 |
->> I guess some things never change.
But at least it was only one not three, so maybe that's progress.
http://uspresswire.com/image/4307343 |
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Mike Anzaldi, Photographer
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Oak Park | IL | USA | Posted: 9:30 AM on 01.06.10 |
->> jeremy-
obviously, you're right. that is very specific indeed. that said, i would think you'd have a shooter assigned to just the coach, and particularly that picture, no?
i'm in agreement either way. a chance at the picture should be afforded to all, and this didn't work out because of a few. bad taste for sure. |
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Rick Osentoski, Photographer
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 10:44 AM on 01.06.10 |
->> mike, once again you jump into a thread with both feet and seem to have left your common sense at the gate.
1) I never suggested a beating (the photos were a joke geez!)
2) You're equating the actions of a four year old with those of a credentialed sports photographer (I surely feel sorry for your kid)
3)Who made you an editor for a major wire service or newspaper? While you may think the dunking photo is cliche or unoriginal I beg to differ....IF you ever worked for a newspaper or wire service you would know that if your editor saw a clip on tv of the coach getting dunked let me assure you they are going to want to know what the hell you were doing when that happened.
That's how this business works. Sad but true.
4)and the bottom line as stated several times on the two threads...this guy is one of those who apparently just doesn't get it. read what he's said...he'll do it again. so calling him out and chastising him might be the only way to get his attention....aside from smacking him with a monopod...ooppps..I was just kidding...I forgot you chicago guys have NO sense of humor....... |
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Tim Cowie, Photographer
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Davidson | NC | USA | Posted: 11:09 AM on 01.06.10 |
->> Thanks Chuck...now we are going to be banned from Duke's media room because you were kicking someone's a$$ :)
I think the big issue is about the rules. There are times when you can have that access and times you can't. Everyone play by the same rules. In this case, it was apparent that you were not to go on the field based on a mandatory pre-game meeting. Everyone follow the rules or pay the consequences. I just hope there were consequences.
If they establish a 30 second rule, a 30 minute rule, whatever, everyone adhere to it.
At the same time I am with Chuck on this point. If your editor or client is going to use the Gatorade shot and you don't get it, the shot may be lame, but lame ain't paying the bills. I shot the NCAA DI Volleyball championships in Tampa last month. You weren't suppose to go on the court (behind poorly organized ropes). 3 guys got on the court because they chose to not listen to security who really didn't care.
Myself and 10 others were behind the ropes and listening to security. Should we applaud those who worked the system and got access that many did not, or should we be upset and as one of the photographers said to security - you are letting my competition get a shot that I need and that's not fair.
I have made my mistakes many times as I have been learning the ropes. When possible I apologize for them and try hard not to repeat. If there are consequences then I deserve them. It doesn't mean I should have the attitude like I don't care and will continue with my same antics. |
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Mike Anzaldi, Photographer
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Oak Park | IL | USA | Posted: 12:55 PM on 01.06.10 |
->> chuck-
don't let your blood pressure run wild on this one friend. i thought of just saying: "okay chuck." but, i have more respect for you than that. you went to a war zone and took pictures. that's pretty cool.
anyway, while you think i "checked my common sense at the gate," i thought i was actually BRINGING some much needed common sense and levity to the thread. thought we could use it. maybe not.
in response to your bullet points:
1)i mistook your earlier post: [revoking credentials is] "the only thing some of these yahoos understand...that or a monopod up aside the head." clearly, i misread this. my bad.
2)yes. i am absolutely equating the actions of a 4 year-old to a photojournalist. the similar actions by the not so similarly aged individuals was the point. subtle as freight train, i know. not sure how to better support that point. thank you for feeling sorry for my kid. that makes you and i the only ones on this board who are thinking of her now.
3)nobody made me a photo editor. but by virtue of being the one choosing the moments to capture, editing the take, and choosing the 6 pictures from the edit to transmit, i think it's okay to have an opinion about 'photo editor-like' matters. you are correct though...as i DO think the water cooler over the head picture is cliche, unoriginal, boring, silly or whatever. sorry, but i don't really care that you beg to differ. i bet our differences in taste extend well beyond this picture. this thread is not about our opinions of the picture. i was only half suggesting that maybe this picture isn't that important anyway. 8 hours before your post, jeremy suggested exactly why this coach/gatorade moment was important to him. i saw that point clearly, and responded to him. look two posts above yours. further, from my original post: "everyone still needs it [gatorade shot] and everyone is entitled to make it without obstruction. i totally get it, and completely agree. again- i TOTALLY get it, and COMPLETELY agree." what else do i need to do to indicate that i'm on board? is there going to be a march where we brandish our monopods and chant? i'm in. tell me when and where.
4)i read about his defiance and addressed it. remember the 4 year old we discussed 7 seconds ago? don't worry. weber read this thread. he gets it. he got it before he read the thread. it was gross misconduct. he serving his one game suspension after being tried and convicted in addition to the humiliation of being torched on this board.
anyway, here i sit with no common sense, zero sense of humor and a disadvantaged child.
bah. always a pleasure chuck.
take care, friend. i enjoyed many of the frames you sent back from your trip. |
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Mike Carlson, Photographer
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Bayonet Point | FL | USA | Posted: 1:25 PM on 01.06.10 |
->> To clarify something that might be part of the problem - I will fully acknowledge to being one of the photographers on the court at the NCAA VB Championships. I was there for the AP, and was on the court with the NCAA Photos photographer and a shooter working for a PA paper (along with the ESPN cameraman and his cable puller).
The reason we were on the court? We met with the NCAA person in charge of media for the event BEFORE the match and she clearly stated we were allowed on the floor for post-match jube before the trophy presentation was roped off. We entered the floor from the mid-court table as it was a 5 match set and we were there in case either team won. We jumped no ropes - we simply did what we were told we were allowed to do. Talking with her after, she had no explanation why local security put the ropes up when and where they did, blocking others at either end of the court.
It was in no way intentional, and, to be honest, even if we photographers did not go out there ESPN, cable pullers, t-shirt hander-outers and security would have blocked as well.
Even though I do not believe I need to apologize for following the rules set forth by the media person in charge, I'm sorry if my big bald head ruined anything Tim...
Apologies that this isn't part of the football/Gatorade debate, but something I thought I'd throw out there to perhaps illustrate that things may not always be what they seem. |
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
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Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 1:27 PM on 01.06.10 |
| ->> Best of luck Texas and Alabama! |
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