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Good color out of Photoshop...
Michael Stevens, Photographer
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Phoenix | AZ | USA | Posted: 12:35 AM on 12.23.09 |
->> OK, so I don't have to make prints at home often enough to remember the one and only way (it seems) to get accurate color from Photoshop...
I'm working in Photoshop CS3.
My monitor has an ICC profile from a Spyder.
I'm printing on an Epson 2200.
I'm printing to Epson Enhanced Matte paper using the Epson EM ICC profile.
Photoshop is setup so it's RGB working space is Epson EM.
The image in question is being managed by the the Epson EM ICC profile and looks perfect on screen.
I'm printing from Photoshop letting Photoshop handle the colors using the EM ICC profile with Relative Colormetric Rendering Intent.
I'm printing to the Epson with Enhanced Matte paper selected and using ICM Color Management and No Color Adjustment selected in the ICC profile.
That is exactly how I remember having to do it but it's not working. Magenta is incredibly hot. Not even close.
If I take the photo and convert it from EM to sRGB the photo then looks like what I'm getting which is way to red.
What is the magical step I forgot?
Thanks,
Mike |
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Israel Shirk, Photographer, Assistant
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Boise | ID | US | Posted: 2:01 PM on 12.23.09 |
| ->> Have you tried switching to perceptual intent? I've had similar things happen, not to that extreme though. How does it look in soft proofing? |
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David Harpe, Photographer
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Louisville | KY | USA | Posted: 3:48 PM on 12.23.09 |
->> Photoshop is setup so it's RGB working space is Epson EM
Absolutely the wrong thing to do. Printer profiles should never be used as "working spaces". Change your working profile to AdobeRGB (good) or ProPhoto RGB (better) and convert to the printer profile when you do your printing. |
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Robert Longhitano, Photographer
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North Wales | PA | USA | Posted: 6:26 PM on 12.23.09 |
| ->> The profile for the Spyder should ONLY be used in your display settings (display preferences on a Mac and the display properties on a PC) Like David mentioned your working space should be set using the profiles he mentioned. The print profile should ONLY be used for "soft proofing" in Photoshop and or the print settings. |
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
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Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 8:56 AM on 12.24.09 |
->> Not only will you need to make the changes David and Robert said, you'll need to go back from the original file and do all your post-processing over again.
The changes you made while using the printer profile as your working space are what jacked the colors all up - which is why, when you convert that image to sRGB, it looks like your (bad) printed output. |
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Michael Stevens, Photographer
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Phoenix | AZ | USA | Posted: 12:22 PM on 12.24.09 |
->> >>Absolutely the wrong thing to do. Printer profiles should never be used as "working spaces". Change your working profile to AdobeRGB (good) or ProPhoto RGB (better) and convert to the printer profile when you do your printing.
I would've sworn I did that but I'll git it another shot and get back to you... |
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Michael Stevens, Photographer
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Phoenix | AZ | USA | Posted: 1:25 PM on 12.24.09 |
->> Just changed my working space to ProPhoto and converted the photo to ProPhoto while using the EM for the printing and the output didn't change. Still too red.
I then kept the working space and document's space as ProPhoto and chose ProPhoto as the printer profile in PS's print dialog. Then I got the color I was looking for. |
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Fj Hughes, Photographer, Assistant
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Baltimore | MD | USA | Posted: 4:11 PM on 12.24.09 |
->> A print that is too magenta usually indicates that color management is being applied twice. The mistake is usually in the second printer dialog box. In Photoshop's printer box Color Handling should be set to Photoshop Manages Colors and Pinter Profile should be set to the proper printer and paper profile combination. (This is the same as using convert to profile. If the file has been converted to the printer profile, 'No Color Management' should be used.) Finally in the printer dialog box(the next window after hitting 'print'), color management should be switched off.
Your work around of setting the printer profile to ProPhoto, essentially eliminated one of the color management steps by managing it to it own profile. Although it worked, I wouldn't recommend this as a standard workflow.
It is also correct that images files should be edited in a larger use neutral color space such as ProPhoto or Adobe RGB to preserve as much image information as possible. |
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