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Canon HV20/30 vs. flash based memory camcorders.
Josh Peckler, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Vernon Hills | IL | | Posted: 9:05 PM on 12.20.09 |
->> I will be hopefully making a decision soon about getting a video camera and I am stuck between the Canon Hv20/30 (that other people have suggested on here) and cameras that are flash memory based or take SDHC cards. So any help would be much appreciated.
My budget is pretty low so I am trying to stay under the $500-$600 range.
My question is there any advantages to using a flash based memory cameras minus the obvious that there is no need for tapes? |
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Peter Huoppi, Photographer
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New London | CT | USA | Posted: 7:34 AM on 12.21.09 |
->> What will you be using for editing? You'll want to be sure that your software will handle the files from a tapeless camera. The HF100, for example, generates .mod files that must be transcoded before Final Cut will edit them. AVCHD is another popular format that requires a lot of computing power to edit.
Our reporters use the HV20/30. The biggest drawbacks of tapes are capture time and the potential fro dropped frames, but you're they'll work with every editor, and you have a permanent archiving solution for your raw material. |
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John Green, Photographer, Photo Editor
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BAY AREA | CA | | Posted: 5:00 PM on 12.21.09 |
| ->> GEt the Canon Vixia HG 21, with the HD. Tapes are a pain |
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Mike Brice, Photographer
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Ogden | UT | USA | Posted: 10:45 PM on 12.21.09 |
| ->> I have a HF10, which uses internal memory or SD card, and while there are some issues with AVCHD, it hasn't been too much of a problem and it is nice to not have to worry about tape. |
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Josh Peckler, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Vernon Hills | IL | | Posted: 10:57 PM on 12.21.09 |
->> Thanks for the help guys. I actually ended up getting the HV30.
Peter I will be editing with FCP. I also was a little worried that my poor little Macbook might have some trouble transcoding all the AVCHD files.
Have came from using a Sony PD170 at school I guess I went with what also I was most comfortable with, tapes that is.
Plus I like the idea of having the raw footage on tapes over hard drives.
Thanks Josh |
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John Green, Photographer, Photo Editor
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BAY AREA | CA | | Posted: 11:23 PM on 12.21.09 |
| ->> As long as you use the newest version of FCP, there is no problem with AVCHD files |
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Tom Knier, Photographer
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Lancaster | PA | USA | Posted: 2:43 AM on 12.22.09 |
->> "Tapes are a pain"
This may be, but they're still the best method for archiving. |
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Robert Irvin, Photographer
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| NJ | USA | Posted: 4:20 PM on 12.22.09 |
->> Just had this conversation with a neighbor of mine that does video. He said what he didnt like about the hard drive models was that vibration would shut the camera off.
Bob |
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Doug Holleman, Photographer
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Temple | TX | USA | Posted: 5:13 PM on 12.22.09 |
->> I have two HV30s and I'm amazed at the outstanding quality of the video. While flash memory would be a bit more convenient, you still have to capture to your computer for editing. I just wish the tapes were longer than 60 minutes (there are some longer, but I hear they are unreliable).
But other than convenience, I understand from reading "expert" reviews that the quality of Canon HD DV version is better because of less compression.
I love having the original tape archive, and tapes are very cheap. |
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Josh Peckler, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Vernon Hills | IL | | Posted: 8:04 PM on 12.25.09 |
->> Just curious,
Do any of you who have the HV30 use HD mini DV tapes of just the standard ones? Is there that big of a difference in HD quality?
There is a big price difference between the two and I don't know if for what I will be doing (basic documentary, interviews) that I am in need of the HD version tapes. |
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Kevin Seale, Photographer
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Crawfordsville | IN | United States | Posted: 8:45 PM on 12.25.09 |
->> I think it really depends on what you end use is going to be. If you are doing really high end finished work they might offer some benefit but if it is more general use, it is probably not worth the extra money.
One thing I have read numerous times is not to mix the tapes you use. Pick a specific brand and model and stick with it. There are variations in the types of lubricants used by the manufacturers and this can cause problems for your heads if you mix them.
There are also a lot of people that say only use Sony or Panasonic. I personally use Sony DVM60ME and have not had any troubles at all. |
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Doug Holleman, Photographer
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Temple | TX | USA | Posted: 1:45 PM on 12.26.09 |
->> There is no difference in image quality between standard and "HD" DV tapes. The "HD" labeled ones are supposedly more durable and less likely to degrade over time, from what I've read. Like most folks, even serious tapers, I use the regular DV tapes. Most don't think the extra cost is worth it, since you're only cycling through the tape a few times for video and capture. I get the cheap Panasonic tapes.
The do recommend sticking to one brand of tape, as Kevin said. |
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