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Opionions on rates to charge
Larry Lawson, Photographer
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Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 10:11 PM on 11.23.09 |
->> Would anyone who shoots or has shot NCAA sports care to share what a non-championship tournament game would go for these days? Unlimited shots, unlimited usage, and minor port-production work. Delivery by dvd or ftp (we're not sure yet)
A college that I haven't shot for before is asking, and while I don't want to go to low, I don't want to go to high, either. |
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Jack Megaw, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Pittsburgh | PA | America | Posted: 12:24 AM on 11.24.09 |
->> Unlimited everything? Do your clients quite realize how much they should be paying for that?
Do they need to use it on billboards in Brazil? Somehow I doubt it! Work out a license based on what they will use it for and go from there. |
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
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Princeton | IN | USA | Posted: 1:29 AM on 11.24.09 |
| ->> Yes, do not just hand them a DVD with everything you shot on it. Have some control and carefully select the images you want to give them and then, as Jack said, work out a license agreement where they can use the work for a specific time while you maintain your rights to your work. |
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Ric Tapia, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 4:04 AM on 11.24.09 |
->> Larry,
I went to your website, then went to pricing on your website and found this:
"All amateur sports events up to and including the High School level are $35 per event per day to shoot the participant and/or the team, and included in the price is a high definition CD/DVD, which is usually available within 7 business days. NOTE: Advance notice is required for entry to the event to be secured, and is in addition to the $35 event fee."
Do you always give out all your images? |
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Mark Sutton, Photographer
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Herndon | VA | USA | Posted: 8:38 AM on 11.24.09 |
->> Larry,
Sorry, but I need to know a little more on what you are asking. Like:
1. What sport are you being asked to cover?
2. Who's hiring you? (SID, student paper, parent)
3. What are they going to do with your images? (Media Guides, Tickets, Posters, Bill Boards)
4. Photo Quote Pro (I started using this program last year, best in the business)
5. How many images are we talking about putting on the DVD?
6. Unlimited Usage?
7. Did I mention Photo Quote Pro?
Mark
http://www.solutionsareus.com |
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Jeff Martin, Photographer
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wellington | OH | usa | Posted: 8:51 AM on 11.24.09 |
| ->> Larry, you advertise a rate of $75 for this on your site. I can't imagine you are actually making a profit at that price. Try figuring out you cost of doing business. You'll be shocked how much your rates need to go up in order to actually make money. |
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Jon L Hendricks, Photographer
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Hobart | IN | USA | Posted: 9:01 AM on 11.24.09 |
| ->> Usually anything under $250 and you'd be breaking even just for basic camera equipment, computer equipment, travel, and misc expenses. That doesn't even include your time. Now think about how much you want to make per year doing this type of thing full-time and go from there. And then figure out the use of the images by your client and how much they get out of them....So, don't lowball yourself. You can just hurt your own cause. |
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Larry Lawson, Photographer
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Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 10:57 AM on 11.24.09 |
->> The SID is doing the hiring, and for colleges I have had no takers if I have raised by prices above what is is now. SID's are taking photos at the games these days with the nicer point & shoots, so for $75 for a local game that's about it around here (Oregon area). I see parents at H.S. games with almost the same equipment as mine, and they give the stuff away free. And Costco printing is cheap.
No disrespect Jon, but I did start out at $200 a game and was laughed out of the office(s).
Mark: Sport is D1 Women's BBall, SID is hiring, photos are for web site use, usually 50 quality relevant images a game.
This is a part time job as I can't give up my full one simply for the benefits/retirement/401/etc - been in too long. I do this because I love it and have been fortunate to have paid off all my equipment. As so many people have said, everyone wants this stuff for free. I've had pro teams inquire about shooting and then back off when they hear the price, ANY price it seems. I know I've got a good eye, excellent equipment (nikon people hush!), but not at the eye-popping level yet. I do have regular customers and the prints people buy are a nice addition to the shooting fees.
I know well-established people get all upset with stuff like this - but I'm just trying to get what the market will bear. |
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Ian L. Sitren, Photographer
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Palm Springs | CA | USA | Posted: 11:06 AM on 11.24.09 |
->> $35.00... $75.00... even $200.00 or $250.00... You have to be kidding me!
I really don't mean to offend anyone but seriously... You spend thousands and thousands of dollars on gear, work endless hours in all kinds of bad weather, sometimes drive forever to get there, kiss a few back ends to get the chance; for what is the cost of feeding 3 people at McDonalds or at the high end 1/4 the price of one lens!
Does not sound like a good business model to me. |
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Jeff Mills, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Columbus | OH | USA | Posted: 11:33 AM on 11.24.09 |
->> Around $200 is a ballpark image for most D1 athletics event photography. Some schools will pay more, some will pay less. Its obviously going to vary a bit based upon what they are looking for, if its an all day event or a hour game and how they will use the images but that is pretty standard amount around the Big 10 conference at least.
As Larry points out at well, SID's are in fact doing most of their own photography. Not because they want to, but because schools are all cutting back on budgets and they simply don't have money to hire a photographer for all but one or two games a year.
Lots of schools aren't even doing print media guides anymore. They just aren't going to want to spend a ton of money every game for what ends up being used as just a few web images.
Even at Ohio State, which has the largest athletics operating budget in the country, sports other than football just aren't get shot more than a few times a season. |
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Nik Habicht, Photographer
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Levittown | PA | USA | Posted: 12:27 PM on 11.24.09 |
->> Larry,
why are you even asking the question? You have a day job. You're working jobs for money that won't allow any professional photographer to stay in business --- because you have a day job. Why do you think you get laughed out of the office when quoting SIDs $200? It's because there's other guys with cameras and day jobs who'll do it cheaper....
So you ask the question (How much should I charge)and when folks start to give you an idea, you argue with them. You already know what the market bear -- so set your price there....
Clearly you don't need any advice from photographers here -- your equipment's paid for.... |
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
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Princeton | IN | USA | Posted: 12:28 PM on 11.24.09 |
| ->> There's always barber college. |
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
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Princeton | IN | USA | Posted: 12:30 PM on 11.24.09 |
| ->> Seriously, Larry I would let the SID take his own photos. You're not making any money and the love of it simply isn't worth the time or hassle. |
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Jeff Martin, Photographer
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wellington | OH | usa | Posted: 12:34 PM on 11.24.09 |
->> If you aren't making any money, it's not a part time job. Hobby,yes. The fact that everyone wants the stuff for free doesn't mean you should give it to them. The fact that an AD is willing to pay $75 shows he knows your work has value.
"SID is hiring, photos are for web site use"
At the very least, limit them to web use. The college is a business. Everyone there gets paid pretty well and their benefits are excellent. They'll pay if the can't get if free or cheap.
Of course you are free to do what you love for nothing or even pay for the privilege, but coming on here to ask a question about rates is a little insensitive. Most of these guys use their cameras to feed their families. I don't, but I still won't work at a loss if given the choice. |
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Angel Valentin, Photographer
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RIO GRANDE | PR | Puerto Rico | Posted: 12:36 PM on 11.24.09 |
| ->> Stay in Oregon please |
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Jeff Mills, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Columbus | OH | USA | Posted: 1:00 PM on 11.24.09 |
->> I don't think we should all be jumping on Larry. He's trying to take a step in the right direction and actually ask about pricing. I wish far more shooters in his position would take the time to even stop and consider things for 2 seconds.
Every week I get several emails at the arts/entertainment weekly I'm an editor for from photographers who offer to freely shoot events for me simply because they 1) love photography and 2) love concerts so they give 1+2 = give your images way for the fun of shooting a concert.
Time after time I respond to these people about why such practices are bad and hope to educate them about how such practices are actually going to ensure there will be no industry in the future and what their time and images are actually worth.
9 times out of 10 it falls of deaf ears though and they could care less. They don't want a career, they just wanted a free concert and not to get a lecture.
And it doesn't matter if its concert photographers, or guys on the sidelines at a high school game, or whatever else you can think of. They have very bad business practices and are detrimental to all our or efforts to try to support ourselves and our families but they turn a deaf ear to any advice you try to give.
We complain over and over about how we are trying to help people help themselves and also try to help our industry and how no one listens.
So here is a guy, Larry, who did listen, and while his business practices in the past were indeed poor, he is here asking for help and guidance.
Responses like Angel's simply are of no benefit to him or the rest of us because it doesn't matter if someone is in Portland or Puerto Rico. Anywhere someone is undercutting the market or giving away work for free it hurts us all.
We don't live or work in a bubble. We can't think that just because schools in one athletic conference or region are doing one thing that it won't affect all of us sooner or later.
Changes in this industry are affecting every one of us regardless of where we live.
If there is some untouched corner where $750 day rates are still the norm for NCAA events I want to go there, heck, I'll drop everything and hit the road this afternoon lol.
Since I doubt that place exist though, best thing we can try to do help those few who actually do come here asking for help.
Yes Larry is just one of thousands, but if he can learn something here and turn that into a better business practice, at least its a start.
I think that would be far more helpful than simply hoping he doesn't come to your town |
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor
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San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 1:04 PM on 11.24.09 |
->> Larry,
What the market will bear is possibly not what you want to hear. You've been give a lot of good advice that would probably result in your walking away from this potential client.
If you want to approach this like a professional, then be prepared to conduct yourself as a business owner. If you really want to shoot regardless of the business relationship, then don't look for advice from professionals.
You have to be mentally prepared to walk away from any potential gig. In sports photography, that increasingly means walking away from most of them.
--Mark |
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Clark Brooks, Photo Editor, Photographer
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Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 1:05 PM on 11.24.09 |
->> Basically, if a photographer's work looks cheap, and they will only be offered cheap jobs. Been there, done that, got my first t-shirt in 1981 (and yes, once in a while I add a new one to my collection).
"I'm just trying to get what the market will bear."
The market will bare the perceived value of your work by the target audience. Today, it is a bear eat bear kinda world in photography. If you don't want to get eaten, as many have said in other threads here, you have to make images that standout.
In all honesty, based on both the images I viewed on your website and in your SS gallery, in today's marketplace you will be hard pressed to command a higher fee than you are being offered.
At the risk of upsetting you, I will offer advice that will help you get to a level where people will fill comfortable paying you $250 or more a day your services.
The first and most important thing is - never, never, ever let anyone see a crappy picture you've shot. Do that and you are half way there :-)
1) Shoot tighter.
The images in your soccer gallery don't look any different than what the average PWC with great gear and giving away. Chant one of these two phrases as you are shooting - "Tight is right" or "Fill the frame". A good example is your 2009 NCAA West Reg track gallery. Your last frame of the race is way too loose (for my taste
2) Crop tighter.
70% of the images in the three galleries I took the time to view were way too loose.
3) Level the horizon lines. Just because you shot it at a slight tilt doesn't mean you have to display it on the web that way. Ignoring a small detail like this scream amateur instead I'm a professional.
4) Post processing.
Don't post a crappy image to the web. Your online collection is your portfolio! Check out Ian's profile (http://www.sportsshooter.com/members.html?id=2213). Everyone of his images are properly white balanced and toned to perfection. Under/over exposed images, flat or overly contrasty, under or over saturate images all contribute to a negative perception of a photographer's ability.
5) Edit tighter!
If you are an event photographer you galleries are fine, but if you want to be an editorial shooter, you need remove all the images that are soft, BBnF (backs, booties no face) and arm pits. Again, a good example is your 2009 NCAA West Reg track gallery. The first 25 frames are a waste of server space.
6) Give yourself a raise!
You are taking money out of your own pocket by charging $35 a day (it should be either that per hour or at the very least per prep or junior high game) and including a CD. If you are going to sell digital files, do it on a per file basis - separate of the assignment/sitting/creative fee. You would better off financially.
Yeah, it is great your gear is paid off, but that should not be an incentive to charge less. Instead, it should motivate you to stick to the dollar amount to you want to make on an daily or hourly. Yes, you work less, but that will give you more time to work on improving your craft by learning to post-process your images better or improving your edits.
Honestly, if the work on your website and profile are indicative of your work is no wonder why the pro sports teams backed off when the negotiations turned to compensation. They don't perceive your work is worth it. You have to change that! To do so, you need to start by improving the images you publish online or choose for your portfolio. Do that and your day rate will make Ian blush :-)
To answer your original question on what to charge, depending on the economy, competition and other factors I start negotiations at $125-200 per game for 15 images for web and internal athletic department use. You need to cover both your expenses and be able to fund the purchase of longer glass and a second camera body. All reprints orders and licensing to media outlets after 30 days to go through my business. If the SID can enter a multi-game contract then I would discount that fee accordingly. If the SID can not give me the reprint business than I would increase the fee to compensate for what I might loose in revenue.
Hope this helps. Good luck and keep us posted on your effort. |
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Israel Shirk, Photographer, Assistant
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Boise | ID | US | Posted: 1:34 PM on 11.24.09 |
| ->> At the rates you're being asked to work, you are actually paying the schools to take photos there if you are shooting with anything more than a Rebel XT and a 75-300 f/5.6 and driving an old moped to get there. |
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N. Scott Trimble, Photographer
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Lake Oswego | OR | USA | Posted: 2:32 PM on 11.24.09 |
->> Now I know why I can't get any games to shoot, I rely too much on this as my full time income, and those that don't undercut me.
Larry, I would just see if they can work an arrangement with you that you get to get a pass to shoot, put it up on a site that THEY can link to for photos to be seen, and if they want to have some control of them, to print, use for marketing etc, then charge them, if they simply want to let people see the action, then coordinate their site having a link to your site. Otherwise, you are stepping on our toes, and taking food from our babies' mouthes.
Mine is three months old BTW, and daddy is losing the battle to convince the family I can support them as a professional photographer, thanks to retirees who do it for free and give it out, and hobbyists who don't value their work. |
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Tim Cowie, Photographer
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Davidson | NC | USA | Posted: 3:01 PM on 11.24.09 |
->> Larry -
First, don't give them unlimited use of your images. Next thing you know they will be selling posters in the bookstore and making money off your shots.
At the most, give them media rights only. I would charge $175 bottom end. I am assuming you don't have to travel far, etc. (a few minutes from home, etc.). I think you should charge $200-$250, but it sounds like you are reluctant to do even that.
I don't think I charge enough myself, but I wouldn't do a game for less than $200 (it's just not worth it) and that's for games 1 mile down the road and I get a large % of all photos sales.
I'm sure there are many here that would think that's even too low, but your time has got to be worth that and then some. |
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Larry Lawson, Photographer
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Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 3:10 PM on 11.24.09 |
->> I can remember when new people to the IT field came looking for tips/jobs/ways to get into the industry back in the 90's when I was in the position that many who have posted here are. Top of their game, razor sharp and master of their craft.
And I can remember how many of us didn't want to entertain the new kids, both by maybe being protective of what they had and maybe having a little too much ego to do so also. They also worked cheaper too, which we didn't like, but what choice did they have? Choose another profession from what they truly loved to do?
I guess in some ways it's come around to bite me, and maybe that's a good thing. So I'm going to apologize now for irritating people for just asking a simple question. I am sorry I poked the bee's nest! I am thankful tho for those that didn't flame someone very new to this field and by offering suggestions. Maybe I'm running ahead of myself, over-eager, delusional, call it what you will. But I'm certainly not going to bow out of the game. I'll just have to practice more.
peace out guys |
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Louis Lopez, Photographer
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Fontana | CA | USA | Posted: 5:00 PM on 11.24.09 |
->> Clark Brooks,
Now that was a great post you made in response to this situation. A lot of guys like to say what sounds politically correct, and most of us can read right through their responses. When reading your post I could feel the sincerity, and the advice is spot on. This board needs more honest posts like your, not all the nice job attaboy responses that you see on substandard images. People be honest on your responses and critque of images.
Clark, Keep it up. |
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Eric Canha, Photographer
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Brockton | MA | United States | Posted: 5:16 PM on 11.24.09 |
->> One thing that I can say after having come to know Clark is that the board could use a dozen more like him. Whether it was email, telephone, Skype or here on the boards he has proven to be one of the best assets to bounce things off of or just re-balance myself.
Mind you that we came to know each other at opposite ends of a contentious debate and at no point did he ever lose his cool or tell me to stick to my state boundaries because I wasn't in 'really' in the issue at hand (unlike some who 'chatted' with me).
Okay enough pom pom waving for Clark, Clark for President in 20xx..... |
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N. Scott Trimble, Photographer
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Lake Oswego | OR | USA | Posted: 5:44 PM on 11.24.09 |
| ->> It isn't irritation Larry BY you for the most part, just a glaring example of why our industry is suffering so. Photography is fun, can be action packed, an instant competition generator on many levels, yourself, others, but also in money, there are those that NEED the money to continue what they do, and those that don't, and just do it, and that causes the situation here. I am glad you posted, and glad you see the reaction, because it drives home how desperate it is for many of us who chose to make this the 100% solution for earning a living. If more photographers cared more about the profession, and helped to bolster it as a business the same as IT, dentistry, utility service, etc, then it would go so much better for us. |
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Giovanni Powell, Photographer
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Red Hills | Kgn | Jamaica | Posted: 4:08 AM on 12.18.09 |
->> Um, newb here...
What does SID mean? |
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Jack McCoy, Photographer
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Baldwin | NY | USA | Posted: 8:22 AM on 12.18.09 |
| ->> Sports Information Director |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 10:04 AM on 12.18.09 |
->> wow! just, wow! so I was cruising through this thread and read "All amateur sports events up to and including the High School level are $35 per event per day"
So, just for kicks I did a little math...
so you're covering a typical HS football game...
30 minutes to get to game
three hours to shoot
30 minutes to get home
if you're going to do post production work on your images and burn a DVD add another two hours...I come out with about six hours here....for $35...
that comes out to $5.83 per hour.
no wonder we're doomed. I guess I've gotten a little less forgiving towards these kinds of threads since it just keeps getting worse. excuses such as, "well I love shooting", "I own a camera", "what the market will bear", "it's not my "real" job" just don't hold water for me. I watch every day as really talented photographers decide to give up because someone with the knowledge to start a website, buy a camera, somehow automatically claims to be a sports shooter will work for a laughable sum of $5.83 an hour. unfortunately, a really sad fact is I know a lot of people at these games who don't even work for that much. they would just as soon give their stuff away for the pass. my advice? "SID's are taking photos at the games these days with the nicer point & shoots" Let them do that. And when THEIR bosses see the quality of the photos (because they aren't professionals either) maybe they will wise up and realize that not just any monkey with a camera can make photos. this might seem harsh but as my dad (an ex Marine) used to say "if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem". so no matter what excuse you might want to use....if you're charging $6/hour to shoot photos you are a MAJOR part of the problem. |
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Clark Brooks, Photo Editor, Photographer
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Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 2:36 PM on 12.18.09 |
| ->> Louis/Eric: Thank you for the kind words about the post. Hopefully, someone will find the comments useful. |
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John Germ, Photographer
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Wadsworth | Oh | USA | Posted: 3:11 PM on 12.18.09 |
->> Larry,
I can relate to your story about IT, as I am also a freelance photographer who has a day job as an IT professional. However, what happened to the IT industry isn't entirely the same as what's going on in sports photography. People are not out there doing java development for fortune 500 companies because they love it and don't mind getting $5.83 an hour (to use Chuck's calculations).
BUT, by the same token I agree that there are plenty of places where you're not going to get $250 day rates. The real key for me has been getting rid of the bad jobs - in the last 2 years I've seen my photography income drop by 35% but the time I spend has dropped by 75% So, the notion is: work SMARTER. If HS baseball is only going to pay $35 a game you need to look to other sports - like swimming or gymnastics - and especially younger children. Look for the sports where people have to pay to compete. Those are people with more disposable income and more obsession. You'll also have a distinct advantage over parents - gymnastics is a great example - even with the same equipment, being able to get on the floor means you get shots parents in the seating area can't come close to.
So, the reality is - you may NOT EVER be able to make $150 shooting a HS football game there no matter how good you get but there are other sports where you can make the money. That's my experience anyway. Hobby or not, life is too short and gear is too expensive to shoot for $35 a game. Find the sports where you live where people are willing to pay. |
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor
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San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 7:34 PM on 12.18.09 |
->> Chuck,
It's even worse than that. At least a minimum wage employee is covered by state disability and unemployment insurance. A freelancer gets neither.
John,
There are very few photographers who can break even on $250 per day.
--Mark |
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Shawn Lynch, Photographer
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New York | New York | USA | Posted: 9:32 PM on 12.18.09 |
->> I just came upon this thread and was pretty much about to write exactly what Clark wrote (probably a little less eloquently though).
The way I would look at it is this. I remember being a kid and buying some great new arts and crafts thing that was supposed to keep me busy for hours. It could be clay, or side walk chalk, some black paper that you scratch off the black to reveal the amazing colors behind it or any other project that required some sort of artistic skill. The commercials made it look so fun and easy, but I don't recall a single thing I made as a kid that I was truly proud of except maybe some things I made with legos!
Photography also requires some artistic skill and knowledge. If you don't dedicate your time to learning that skill and bringing yourself to the next level, then you're probably not going to make many images you're truly proud of either. And considering you're competing with other parents of about the same amount of skill and the same body/lenses as you, well then there's nothing to differentiate your work from that of others. If you can't bring any extra value to your photos, how do you expect people to pay more?
In order to differentiate yourself, you're going to think about ways to use the gear you have that no one else is using. Try to find access to overhead locations. Try to get closer to the action or behind the scenes. Get things others aren't shooting. If they don't have it and want it, they'll be willing to pay for it.
This brings me to my next point. If they pay for it, eventually you can save up to buy other gear that the other photographers don't have that can help you differentiate yourself, like lighting gear to make some great sports portraits, or sportraits as some on here call them.
Now I've lost jobs (one recently) because others were willing to work for free. But I wasn't asking for $35, more like over $500 [don't want to get to specific in case the potential client were to see this]. I lost a recent gig because a co-worker's boyfriend was willing to shoot for free, well below my $500+ estimate. But he was shooting in a tricky lighting situation that I cam almost guarantee made his images look like the came from a P&S camera (can you say TTL flash and P-mode for the camera!). I'm sure at some point he probably also wanted to enjoy the even w/ his girlfriend too, where as I would have worked the whole time and not thought twice about it.
Now, I'm glad to see you're asking for pricing help. I would be willing to guess that many of the people who have flamed you would have been the ones not making much more than you are and trying to make a living full time at photography with no day job to rely on. They can get territorial about people taking money from their wallets.
In the beginning I admit, I was making $30/assignment. I even had training and a much more limited skill set than I have now. You have to work at it to elevate yourself. Work on both your photography as art to distinguish yourself and your business skills.
I was often told "you don't do photography to get rich," but I give the finger to that train of though. There are many successful photographers out there, and I never aimed to be at the bottom, I always aimed to be at the top. So if anyone is holding me back, well, it's me.
I hope this helps and that you are encouraged to go forth with your photographic pursuits. From your last comment you seem to have signed off and said goodbye, but I hope it wasn't forever. |
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Kevin Krows, Photographer
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Forsyth | IL | USA | Posted: 8:15 AM on 12.19.09 |
->> "I'm just trying to get what the market will bear."
You need to understand the market you are going after before you can determine what it will bear. If your market includes people who want you to work for free or at a loss then you'll always be held to that level regardless of the client.
Markets don't buy anything .... good clients do... so choose them wisely and forget about those that who could care less about you or your future as a photographer. PERIOD! |
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Wesley Hitt, Photographer
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Fayetteville | AR | USA | Posted: 9:08 AM on 12.19.09 |
->> $35 a day X 260 days of work equals $9100
Minimum of equipment with camera, lens, computer and programs, $10,000.
Regular job: 52 weeks in a year X 5 working days equals 260 working days.
I hope your regular job pays you more than $9100.
Like everyone else, this is not to pick on Larry. If you give it away, you will always be known as the Photographer that works for cheap.
I ask young Photographers, "Do you want to be known as the cheapest Photographer in town? Is that how you see your career?" If you are only good enough to battle for the lowest price in town, then you need to get a lot better or find another profession. WalMart says they are the lowest price in town and they are worth BILLIONS. Don't believe it. Photography is a BUSINESS. Learn how to run a profitable business.
Why is it that some Photographers are paid very very well and some are not?
Quality, professionalism and understanding business. Sometimes average Photographers do very well because they understand this and sometimes great Photographers keep their day job because they do not understand this.
If we are all competing on the merits of the quality of our work, then prices and quality would go up. There is always someone that will do it cheaper and there are always going to be clients that do not care about the quality of the work, just the price. A match made in Heaven. Figure out how to seperate yourself from the bottom group.
I want clients that care about quality first and understand that it comes with a price, which is negotiable. I can help educate them as part of my business. I charge this amount and this is why. This is what you receive in return for this amount. |
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Phil Hawkins, Photographer
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Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 9:11 AM on 12.19.09 |
->> Larry, you're getting hammered pretty good with this question, and for good reason.
Buy this book. It will open your eyes.
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Rick Rickman, Photographer
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Laguna Niguel | CA | USA | Posted: 10:37 AM on 12.19.09 |
->> Phil:
Nice work !!! A simple answer to a simple question. No pontificating or needless blathering. Great suggestion. |
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