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Excellent track cycling photo
Philip Bowen, Photographer
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Kampala | UG | Uganda | Posted: 3:33 AM on 11.20.09 |
->> http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2009/11/19/sports/20091119SPTSREPLAY_8.htm...
I'm loving this shot. Wish I could get some background/technical details of what went in to it. It looks like that's a ton of light - there's almost no ambient left. I don't see much or any motion blur or ghosting, so I can't imagine it's a 1/250 shutter speed, maybe not even 1/500? Good on ya (this is in Australia, after all) to get the permission at a World Cup event to set up some big lights.
Anyone done anything like this? Care to speculate on the details?
Thanks! |
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Jeff Hinds, Photographer
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Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 4:20 AM on 11.20.09 |
| ->> Well, I'll state the obvious..its one light to the right with a fast duration. It wouldnt take much to get this shot, especially indoors. |
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Chris Hutty, Photographer
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Brixton | London | UK | Posted: 5:37 AM on 11.20.09 |
| ->> I think the point is that it wasn't that obvious to some Jeff, myself included, but thanks for the gracious illumination. |
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Jeff Hinds, Photographer
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Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 1:24 PM on 11.20.09 |
->> apologies if my previous post was taken as being sarcastic and rude...certainly was not meant to be!
its a great shot, btw, and certainly can be recreated with ease. you'll need just one light on a stand off the camera right. one way to recreate light placement is to connect the shadow with what is creating that shadow. ie: draw a line from the tip of the bikers finger to the shadow of that finger on the left...that line, traced to the right, will give you about where the light was placed..i hope that makes sense?) make sure the light has a faster duration, a minimum 100th/sec would probably do? i use the dynalight 1080sp's and their duration is 2500+, fyi... |
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Mike Last, Student/Intern, Photographer
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London | Ontario | Canada | Posted: 1:43 PM on 11.20.09 |
->> The light in indoor track cycling can't be great... let's assume it's ISO 1600 - 1/250 @ f2.8 if you're lucky.
So, if you shot this on strobes, which could be pretty close to the track, you could be shooting around ISO 200 - 1/250 @ f8. So you are 3 stops under from your f-stop, and 3 stops under from your ISO speed. That gives you 6 stops under ambient, so if you shot without the strobe on, you get all black. If you're that far under ambient, your shutter speed being at 1/250 or 1/500 won't cause any ghosting. Now the strobe pops, providing all the light in the scene... and you've got what you see in the photo.
Or that's how I would do it. |
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David Harpe, Photographer
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Louisville | KY | USA | Posted: 2:24 PM on 11.20.09 |
->> Found several other similar photos from the event via Google. This one is interesting:
http://www.daylife.com/photo/06c6dIhg7n1sK
Really odd. If it's a strobe setup, I'm really surprised they allowed that much pop during an actual race.... |
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Philip Johnson, Photographer
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Garland | TX | USA | Posted: 2:50 PM on 11.20.09 |
->> IMHO I don't think this photo is that great. This is a sport that should show movement and speed. Who thinks of track cycling as a motionless bike. We don't get any emotion from the rider's face so we need to see it in the bike and legs.
This shot reminds me of a shot of a prop plane with the prop frozen. I don't think I've ever seen a shot on the EAA's Sport Avitation magazine with a frozen prop on the plane. |
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Chris Hutty, Photographer
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Brixton | London | UK | Posted: 4:48 AM on 11.23.09 |
| ->> Sorry Jeff, I think I was the one who had let undue sarcasm creep into my post :) |
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Tom Simpson, Photographer
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London | LDN | UK | Posted: 5:43 AM on 12.05.09 |
->> Hello, I'm new here and actually signed up to post on this as it's something I do quite a bit.
David, the policy on using flashes varies from velodrome to velodrome, although 90% of them allow it.
Anyway, if you check on my profile, there's one of my strobed track shots (there's another, tighter-in, and with more motion blur on my website, the link's also on the profile). These were shot with two AB400s with the big reflectors at f6.3, and the shutter speed varied from 1/200th to 1/40 for the more blurred one on the site.
You can set up strobes in the centre of the track, so long as they're behind the barriers. It would be nice to get an assistant to hold another light at the barriers at the top of the banking, but I was working alone, and I didn't reckon it would last too long with a capacity crowd in Manchester! |
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