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Canon 7D Part 2
Matthew Sauk, Photographer
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Sandy | UT | United States | Posted: 5:16 PM on 10.27.09 |
->> The good thing it seems that most if not all are very happy with the af on the camera.
Plus the high ISO seems solid as well. |
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Nell Redmond, Photographer
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Charlotte | NC | USA | Posted: 5:54 PM on 10.27.09 |
| ->> I'm curious to know if anyone has tried shooting basketball with the 7D yet. I found in the past that I could shoot other sports with the 40D and similar model cameras, but the autofocus was way to slow for the pace of basketball. |
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Max Waugh, Photographer
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Bothell | WA | USA | Posted: 6:12 PM on 10.27.09 |
->> I shot with it at our Midnight Madness event, but didn't hang around to test it at the scrimmage. Most of the shooting was done for the pre-scrimmage events, including the dunk contest. Not a real test of the AF, but I was generally pleased with the performance.
I've also shot volleyball with it. In both cases, I thought the AF was a more responsive than the 40D/20D, but the big advantage was the boost in high ISO. The added shutter speed was nice to have.
Of course, I felt the 40D and 20D were adequate for basketball before, but it's what I was used to. The 40D feels really slow now when I'm using it as my second body next to the 7. |
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Matthew Sharpe, Photographer
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Oxford | MS | USA | Posted: 10:19 PM on 10.27.09 |
->> Max:
I haven't shot basketball yet, probably in less than two weeks though. But so far I think the AF is far above the 40D. My 40D seems awful compared to the 7D now. Then again, my 40D was dominant in comparison to my 20D. It makes sense. |
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Anantachai Brown, Photographer
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Jacksonville | FL | | Posted: 11:38 PM on 10.27.09 |
| ->> i'll find out in a couple days....should receive mine tomorrow, and will shoot a football game at Sat night. |
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David Harpe, Photographer
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Louisville | KY | USA | Posted: 12:37 AM on 10.28.09 |
->> http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=PgComSmModDisplayAct&fcate...
"In images captured by continuous shooting, and under certain conditions, barely noticeable traces of the immediately preceding frame may be visible. This phenomenon is not noticeable in an image with optimal exposure. The phenomenon may become more noticeable if a retouching process such as level compensation is applied to emphasize the image."
One of the problems of being on the bleeding edge. Sometimes you bleed...frame to frame, that is... :-) |
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Gerry Maceda, Photographer
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La Quinta | CA | | Posted: 1:09 AM on 10.28.09 |
| ->> CPS approved my loan request. It is anticipated to ship on 11-04-09. |
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Chris Large, Photographer
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Okotoks | AB | Canada | Posted: 6:06 AM on 10.28.09 |
->> I just finished my first day using the 7d....700+ images. I'm shooting the sequel to 30 Days of Night - horror/vampire/slasher/ bloody/ and of course - all at night...very low light levels.
Here's my take on things. I'm shooting 50d, 1DS Mklll, 5DS Mk11 and 7d.
All cameras are set at 2000 - 3200 iso, shooting f1.4-f2.8 depending on the lens - 28, 2.8, 35 2, 50 1.4, 85 1.8
The 1ds Mk 111 is not used much - slow buffer shooting Raw + Jpeg. Great pics but I think the higher iso of the other cameras are better. The 50d was very good but not up to the 7d.
The 7d totally blows me away - great contrast, deep blacks and very little noise at up to 3200 iso - I didn't go any higher because I didn't need to. The 5dMk11 was also very good - not sure which I liked better, but the full frame is a nice bonus.
I didn't shoot anything needing af like basketball but some shots of our heroes running towards me worked out way better than my older 40/30/20 d's. I averaged about %75 sharp which was better than I hoped for.
I wish I could post some pics but because of the nature of the work I do - actor approvals, Sony copyright etc I can't use any images until the movie is released but I am putting my total support behind the 7d. Great bang for the buck and very very good high iso images.
Email me for any specific questions.
Chris |
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Peter Buehner, Photographer
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Michael Troutman, Photographer
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Carmel | CA | USA | Posted: 11:45 AM on 11.01.09 |
| ->> Best shot in that field test was the very last one. Just sayin'. |
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Jason Joseph, Photographer
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Dublin | OH | USA | Posted: 1:09 PM on 11.01.09 |
| ->> I haven't ever used a 400/5.6 but I wonder if the lens itself is the cause for the poor focus in many of the shots. |
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Monty Rand, Photographer
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Bangor | ME | USA | Posted: 1:21 PM on 11.01.09 |
->> I could be wrong and I usually am, but I thought that some bodies prefer lenses that are F2.8 or F4 to take advantage of some of the focus features?? If the lens was F5.6 sounds to me like he could have lost some of the AF advantages when using a slower lens.
I've shot over 10K images with my 7D and no ghosting has appeared at all. |
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David Harpe, Photographer
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Louisville | KY | USA | Posted: 1:25 PM on 11.01.09 |
->> "the two 7Ds were purchased brand new, separately at different times from a reputable dealer and had different serial numbers."
That's a relief! |
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Brian Cripe, Photographer, Assistant
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East Lansing | MI | USA | Posted: 7:26 PM on 11.01.09 |
| ->> I would agree that the lens may be somewhat at fault - I owned a 400/5.6 briefly (I was seduced by the potential for a lightweight, easily backpackable 640mm f5.6 lens by using a 40d). I was not impressed with the sharpness of the lens wide open. |
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Monty Rand, Photographer
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Bangor | ME | USA | Posted: 12:02 PM on 11.02.09 |
| ->> One other thing.......I've been Using Camera Raw to convert the files I've shot, but I've noticed that using DPP gives better color from the start. Not sure if Camera RAW has been updated for the 7D, but the defaults are way over saturated. So far my best color has been using DPP for conversion. |
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Ian L. Sitren, Photographer
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Palm Springs | CA | USA | Posted: 1:06 PM on 11.02.09 |
| ->> I don't know about the 7D but in my experience, DPP produces absolutely the best image from Canon RAW files than any other software by a long shot. At least compared to ACR, Lightroom, Aperture and Capture One. |
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Monty Rand, Photographer
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Bangor | ME | USA | Posted: 4:40 PM on 11.03.09 |
| ->> I fired up Lightroom today and converted a 7D file and the results looked great. I compared a conversion I did from Camera RAW and the lightroom one was better. Now, I didn't make any adjustments at all. Just a straight conversion. For some reason Lightroom made a better conversion. The colors were dead on. Very odd since I'm assuming the both are using Camer Raw to convert or am I wrong here? |
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Harry Hoffman, Photographer
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San Carlos | Ca | US | Posted: 12:37 PM on 11.04.09 |
| ->> I am not very impressed with all the posts I have seen with 7D pics. Seems like a dud |
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David Seelig, Photographer
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Hailey | ID | USA | Posted: 12:39 PM on 11.04.09 |
| ->> Hi Harry and anyone else. Do you really want to judge compressed files put up on the internet? |
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Matthew Sauk, Photographer
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Sandy | UT | United States | Posted: 3:05 PM on 11.04.09 |
->> I went to Pictureline and tested it out. I must say I was impressed with the image quality and high ISO ability of the camera.
Just my personal opinion but the images look almost Mark III like at high ISO.
It felt good in my hands as well and I liked the button layout.
But overall looking at the images I took at the store on my computer, I am extremely impressed with the high ISO shots. They look great. |
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Monty Rand, Photographer
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Bangor | ME | USA | Posted: 7:16 PM on 11.04.09 |
| ->> I've been very impressed with my 7D and high ISO images. My only complaint and it's minor is that the battery grip could be a little more rounded. It feels very square and not very ergonomic, but like I said.....minor detail. |
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Anantachai Brown, Photographer
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Jacksonville | FL | | Posted: 9:01 PM on 11.04.09 |
->> i used it at a night football game last Saturday...IT is a VERY capable camera. I was very impressed with the handling and auto focus.
It isn't as fast for acquiring the subject, but once it locks on...it very good. Feels like my old Mk IIN. |
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Peter Buehner, Photographer
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John Germ, Photographer
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Wadsworth | Oh | USA | Posted: 2:06 PM on 11.06.09 |
->> Peter,
Yes it's a good review, but as it relates to sports shooting I really didn't find it very useful. If you look at the Performance section when you get to AF performance you'll see a statement.
"We are no sports photographers...and even with our limited sports photography skills got a decent proportion of usable shots... "
Really - not a review I wan to hang the success/failure of my sports shooting on. Again, not a knock on the review per-se. But using DP Review to decide on professional sports shooting equipment is like reading consumer reports to determine which reference quality audio components you want to buy. |
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Peter Buehner, Photographer
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Orono | ME | USA | Posted: 2:16 PM on 11.06.09 |
->> Fair enough. I agree with your criticism. That being said, I have yet to see a valid, repeatable, objective AF test (AI servo) that can be applied to any camera. I wish someone would develop one. There are just too many ways that a user or the subject can skew the results.
The only way I can judge AF performance now (without being a guinea pig and buying one myself) is to have fellow SS'ers report on their subjective feelings.
So, I read things like DPReview to find out about IQ, high ISO noise, etc which I feel do impact a sports shooter tremendously.
all the best |
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Matthew Sauk, Photographer
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Sandy | UT | United States | Posted: 2:28 PM on 11.06.09 |
->> wow great review. From the limited testing I did in store I was quite impressed with it as well.
The files I took home on my card looked great as well. |
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Gerry Maceda, Photographer
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Robert Klein, Photographer
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South Easton | MA | USA | Posted: 6:24 AM on 11.07.09 |
| ->> Gerry, did you use a flash when you shot your football images or were you relying on the lighting that was present? Any focusing issues that you encountered? |
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David Harpe, Photographer
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Gerry Maceda, Photographer
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La Quinta | CA | | Posted: 9:07 PM on 11.08.09 |
->> ->> Gerry, did you use a flash when you shot your football images or were you relying on the lighting that was present? Any focusing issues that you encountered?
Robert, Yes my football images were shot with flash except for frame 2 & 3. The images were for Maxpreps, they require flash on night football games. I have yet to shoot a day game to determine if I will have focusing issues as I was relying on my flash to stop action. |
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Joel Kowsky, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Columbia/Morris | MO/IL | United States | Posted: 10:52 PM on 11.08.09 |
->> I've had mine for a little over a month now and have shot quite a bit of college football with it and I must say I'm impressed. The files are great, the noise is very usable at 3200 ISO, which I know has been said before.
I found that if I bump the AI Servo tracking sensitivity to one higher than the 0 setting that I get a greater number of images in my sequences that are sharp. Just wondering if anyone else is using a setting similar. |
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Anantachai Brown, Photographer
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Jacksonville | FL | | Posted: 12:21 AM on 11.09.09 |
| ->> just tried the wireless mode for multiple flashes...works GREAT. |
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Peter Buehner, Photographer
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Orono | ME | USA | Posted: 7:02 AM on 11.09.09 |
->> Joel:
any chance you have shot with a Mark III? If so how would you compare the 7D to it at ISO 3200? |
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Matthew Sauk, Photographer
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Sandy | UT | United States | Posted: 2:09 PM on 11.09.09 |
| ->> If anyone wants to view high iso shots of the 7D, just contact me and I will send or give you a link to view them. |
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Matthew Sauk, Photographer
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Peter Buehner, Photographer
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Orono | ME | USA | Posted: 3:09 PM on 11.09.09 |
->> Thanks Matthew,
they look good. what were the noise reduction settings? |
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Matthew Sauk, Photographer
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Sandy | UT | United States | Posted: 5:37 PM on 11.09.09 |
->> Peter,
Standard |
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John Pyle, Photographer
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Santa Barbara | Ca | USA | Posted: 12:13 AM on 11.10.09 |
| ->> Does anyone have any input to compare the 7d to a Mark IIn in regards to auto focus and overall performance for sports shooting? Thanks. |
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Dayne Teves, Photographer
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Waipahu | Hi | USA | Posted: 3:04 AM on 11.10.09 |
->> My 1st 7d test on a high school football game this past weekend.
http://www.sportsshooter.com/dtech/7dsamples/
Shot w/ a 300 2.8 IS lens, ISO 2500, 1/640
I usually shoot with my Mark II N and find the 7D's ISO images very good compared to my Mark II N. The focusing is very fast and accurate, but the shutter speed is not as fast as the Mark II N.
Still fast in my opinion and it is a great camera to get (until the Mark IV).
The HD video is a bonus to have.
My BIG test is this weekend where I have to shoot a couple of volleyball matches at a high school gym where the lighting conditions is very challenging. |
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Mark Peters, Photographer
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Highland | IL | USA | Posted: 7:19 AM on 11.10.09 |
| ->> Dayne - you lost me with the "shutter speed is not as fast" comments. Can you elaborate - are you referring to fps? |
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Dayne Teves, Photographer
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Waipahu | Hi | USA | Posted: 3:50 PM on 11.10.09 |
->> Yes... sorry fps feels not as fast as my Mark II N.
Still an awesome camera to get for the price... |
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Matthew Sauk, Photographer
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Sandy | UT | United States | Posted: 7:12 PM on 11.10.09 |
| ->> I think it is .9 slower but I love the sound of the 7D shutter. It is so quite. |
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Diana Porter, Photographer
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Houston | TX | USA | Posted: 12:09 AM on 11.12.09 |
| ->> Does anyone have what would would be the best settings for sports for the 7D? I used the one from SI for my Mark II N's but haven't found anything for the 7D as of yet. Especially interested in the AF focus settings. |
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Nic Coury, Photographer
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Monterey | CA | | Posted: 3:05 PM on 11.12.09 |
->> Is there any documentary/PJ-type video out there yet?
I'm trying to make a case for it for our paper... |
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Matthew Sauk, Photographer
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Sandy | UT | United States | Posted: 3:52 PM on 11.12.09 |
->> here are full sized jpegs using standard setting from ISO 1600 to ISO 12500.
You can download the .rar file and look at them yourself.
http://801images.com/2009-11-11.rar |
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Brian Tietz, Photographer
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Fort Myers | FL | USA | Posted: 5:55 PM on 11.12.09 |
->> I sold my 1D MII for this camera and for the price so far, I am extremely impressed, my only major complaint is lack of a voice memo button. Auto white balance has been spot on for me.
I used it to shoot both stills and video at a Friday night football game for my local paper, and it performed great at high iso. Still getting used to the focus clusters but overall it did pretty good.
Video was a little tricky to get used to but I used it with a 24-105mm f/4 IS on a monopod (yes I felt a little silly) and shot at iso 6400, 1/30th of a second at about f/14, for depth of field, no way to follow focus manually that fast by looking at the lcd screen.
Overall a great camera for the price and for what I will be using it for, sports. Still using a 1Ds MII for everything else. |
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Matthew Sauk, Photographer
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Sandy | UT | United States | Posted: 8:41 PM on 11.12.09 |
->> Brian,
Do you have that video up for showing? I would love to view it. |
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Rodrigo Pena, Photographer
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Beaumont | CA | USA | Posted: 8:53 PM on 11.12.09 |
| ->> Hey Gerry, in regard to night football, how do you compare the 7D to the Mark IIN? |
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Brian Tietz, Photographer
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Fort Myers | FL | USA | Posted: 9:53 PM on 11.12.09 |
->> Here's my video debut.
http://www.vimeo.com/7585623
Again this was my first time shooting video on assignment and first time ever trying to follow fast action with a video camera, I'm hoping to get better with more practice. |
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Nic Coury, Photographer
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Monterey | CA | | Posted: 11:23 PM on 11.12.09 |
->> Brian,
Nice work on the video. Looks likes it tracks fairly well during the guy running to a touchdown.
I might have to get one for work... |
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