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Want To Get Depressed?
Jim Colburn, Photo Editor, Photographer
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Dan Routh, Photographer
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Greensboro | NC | USA | Posted: 8:33 PM on 10.21.09 |
| ->> Bummer. |
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Darren White, Photographer
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Brisbane | QLD | Australia | Posted: 9:23 PM on 10.21.09 |
->> "Instead of trying to raise the market value of online content to match the cost of producing it — perhaps an impossible proposition — the secret is to cut costs until they match the market value."
very depressing |
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David Harpe, Photographer
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Louisville | KY | USA | Posted: 12:56 AM on 10.22.09 |
| ->> Making stills and video is too much fun. That's the problem, in a nutshell. People will do things at breakeven or even a loss if they're having fun doing it - and if they have other revenue sources. |
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David Brooks, Photographer
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San Diego | CA | USA | Posted: 2:20 AM on 10.22.09 |
| ->> Very interesting. The question is, do you protest them or join them? Maybe both? |
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Patrick Meredith, Photographer, Assistant
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Austin | TX | USA | Posted: 2:38 AM on 10.22.09 |
| ->> Join them? 10 jobs for $200!? I don't care what they are...NFL, your mom's cats or anything else, that is just plain stupid....ugh, I gotta get back to work |
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David A. Cantor, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Toledo | OH | USA | Posted: 7:53 AM on 10.22.09 |
->> Here's the new creative visual paradigm in the digital age:
"...it’s fast, cheap, and good enough."
Bad online video will further perpetuate the uniformed society that television started. Bring on amateur reality online shows next! Even cheaper bad content to elevate celebrity over substance. Ladies and Gentlemen, the balloon boy has landed! |
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Kevin Seale, Photographer
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Crawfordsville | IN | United States | Posted: 9:22 AM on 10.22.09 |
->> The way I read it, each of the five minute segments he shot was an individual job, so 10 jobs all came from the same session. He had his finished products posted less than 8 hours from when he started and it took him 2 hours longer than he expected because of some problems.
That's $1,000 per week for less than 40 hours work. How many PJ's wish they had those hours, the flexibility to pick their own assignments and a $50k+ annual salary?
Don't get me wrong, that is a tough way to make a living, but then again so is 60 hr weeks for $30k shooting 6+ unique PJ assignments per day not knowing if your job will be there tomorrow. |
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Ian Halperin, Photographer
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Plano(Dallas) | TX | USA | Posted: 9:48 AM on 10.22.09 |
->> David,
You (we all) may get the chance "Coming soon: photographers and photo editors." |
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David Harpe, Photographer
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Louisville | KY | USA | Posted: 9:57 AM on 10.22.09 |
->> Kevin,
Point taken. The math is a bit fuzzy because it doesn't take into account logistics time and other expenses. He had to write/script the content, which gets harder the more you do something. He probably had to pay his talent something...and at $20 a clip there's not a lot of money to go around. There is also time overhead in updating and maintaining the web site, doing the books, etc.
Sustainability is another issue. It is VERY hard to come up with and execute on 10 halfway original ideas every day, five days a week, fifty weeks a year. Setting up 10 shoots a day - even if they are the same location and topic - is tough. It's also pretty abusive on the gear...stuff will break, and at $1k a week there's not a ton of room for maintenance.
Assuming for a moment that your extrapolation is feasible and that someone can do that for at least a year and make $50k or so. If someone is that creative and has that type of energy, is it not reasonable to assume they could make a lot more than $50k a year if the content was marketed in a more coherent/profitable way? For instance instead of giving it away to a cut rate source for pennies, why not take it a step further and set up your own site? Or do training videos that you market on your own? Heck, even put together a DVD series or something.
I would think with that kind of energy someone could easily come up with an idea that could net far more than $20 per clip. |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 10:31 AM on 10.22.09 |
->> This is all the fault of the pornography business...ever since those damn amateurs got involved.....not to mention amateur night at the strip clubs....."it's fun, anyone can do it!!!" who needs professionals anymore?
This is a joke for the "humor impaired" among us. |
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Kevin Seale, Photographer
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Crawfordsville | IN | United States | Posted: 10:52 AM on 10.22.09 |
->> David,
Excellent points and all very valid. I did not mean to imply that it was justified or a good business model because it isn't. I was just attempting to point out that it is not really any worse than a lot of the dismal conditions under which many are working. Does that make it right, no way. Unfortunately, it is becoming a bit of a reality.
I wish every job out there was at the $2,000,000 for two hours of work that Pag seems to land but sadly most seem to fall into the category of the Wizards free internship and $25k PJ positions, assuming you can find a paper even offering a paying job.
This particular reference has a bit of short term sustainability because they generate a laundry list of projects people can pick from. Because it is new, I am sure you could find the easy items that would at least come close to being worthwhile but there are not an endless stream of such ideas so the projects, over time, will get tougher and tougher and the pay will in all likelihood not improve.
I'm with you, find a way to do this type of work so that you are the one making the money instead of working for someone else so they can. In fact, after reading this late last night, all I thought about was how to do just that. No great visions yet, but the article sure did turn on a lightbulb, even it it's only 20 watts. |
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