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Lightroom installation question
Michael Myers, Photographer
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Miami Beach | FL | USA | Posted: 11:48 PM on 09.17.09 |
->> I've got a friend who wanted to switch from using Photoshop to Lightroom (easier) but needed help getting things done on his computer. I left his copy of Photoshop on the computer, and installed Lightroom. I checked for updates, and upgraded him to the latest version.
Everything seemed to go fine, and we tried to import 50 or so images from his disk. However, when I told him to switch from "Library" to "Develop", the computer locked up, and we had to reboot. After the reboot, we did the same thing, but this time clicked on "Library" and selected a folder with only five images in it. Same thing happened.
My experience (and the reason I use Lightroom) is because of the nice automated web galleries it can produce so easily. I've never really used the "Develop" panel for anything.
Is there something stupid that I'm just doing wrong, or is this something I need to contact Adobe about? He's got an old, slow computer, running Windows XP. He has "Trend" antivirus, so I don't think his computer has problems, but it's so slow that I think he really needs a new one. The images are all 'jpg' from a Nikon D200, but this shouldn't make any difference. |
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N. Scott Trimble, Photographer
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Lake Oswego | OR | USA | Posted: 2:09 AM on 09.18.09 |
->> Lightroom is really optimized for faster computer processors. If its hanging up now, it will only get worse when he builds the library. It is a GREAT program, but he should have checked the requirements on the program to his computer. Now, if it is well within the limits, I would check for listed conflicts on Adobe's community site, they are pretty helpful.
Oh, and join the D65 group Seth Resnick has! |
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Michael Pina, Photographer
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SF Bay Area | ca | usa | Posted: 2:23 AM on 09.18.09 |
->> Michael, depending on what verson your loaded, you may need to upgrade photoshop to CS4. The latest LR 2.5 version requires PS CS4. And yes i do agree with Mr. Trimble. LR requires some basic speed and memory requirements but unless you are running a fast processor and a lot of memory-forget it-it is slow for sure.
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Richard Favinger Jr, Photographer
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Pottstown | PA | USA | Posted: 1:52 PM on 09.18.09 |
->> I'm running LR 2.5 on a 1 CPU 1.8GHz PowerMac G5 with 4GB RAM, it's slow but gets the job done. When switching to Develop the system chokes for about 5sec or so while LR builds the direct preview.
When importing my shoots (300 to 600, JPG or RAW from my D3) I let LR build the 1:1 previews more or less while I go eat dinner. I can take about 2 hours to build 500 or so previews, but after this picking and culling is much faster.
Now, on my 17" MBP Core2 Duo 2.93GHz w/ 8GB RAM and 7200rpm drive, building 500 1:1 previews only takes about 30min (not exact time, I don't sit and watch)... but it's MUCH faster...
You do need a good, stable system for LR... As for Photoshop... It should not matter what version of Photoshop is installed as LR really has nothing to do with Photoshop... Lightroom can "Open In" any app you choose... My desktop still runs CS3, and I have CS4 installed along side.
I think there are other issue here besides the version of Photoshop you have; simply because they are each their own program... and one CAN work with out the other... |
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Jay Reiter, Photographer
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Newmarket | NH | USA | Posted: 4:06 PM on 09.18.09 |
| ->> The version of Photoshop is irrelevant - I'm using LR version 2.5 alongside PS cs2 with no problems - the issue is his computer - is likely not powerful enough to run LR. |
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Jack Kurtz, Photographer
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Phoenix | AZ | United States | Posted: 4:13 PM on 09.18.09 |
->> Are you sure the computer is locking up? It may just be taking a very, very long time to switch from Library module to Develop module.
I agree with other posters, Lightroom's performance really depends on the speed and RAM in your computer. And as his library grows the performance will only get worse, so if there are problems now, there will be lots of problems once he gets 25,000-30,000 images in his library. |
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Michael Myers, Photographer
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Miami Beach | FL | USA | Posted: 10:19 PM on 09.19.09 |
->> Well, an update.
First, I'm not sure what was going on, but the computer appeared "dead" and when we tried to end the process for Lightroom, the message was that the program wasn't responding. We ended up re-booting.
There was a message up above about checking the requirements; it turns out that LR needs 1 gig, and his computer only had 700 or so megs of RAM, which might be the problem, but when we looked at the graphs in the system monitor, while CPU was maxed out at 100%, memory usage wasn't all that high.
We gave up on it, and after a few long talks, today I went with him to buy a new computer - now he's got a new Gateway with 8 gigs of RAM, a terrabyte of disk, a good graphics card, and all the fittings - for around $700 or so.
As to Lightroom, I'm not sure whether this is going to be useful for him or not (or me, for that matter). We both have our own system for filing photos away, and Lightroom seems to want to duplicate that. He just needs a good way to review and maybe correct his photos, and I'd like that as well, plus a good way to get my images from Leica's DNG format into jpg. I'm not sure why either of us want to let LR catalog all our images - is that what most of you guys do? I thought it was a good way of editing photos, and of creating nice slide shows for the web. I never intended to go beyond that, but maybe it will be a better way of doing things than what either of us is now doing...... |
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Joe Andras, Photographer
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Orange County | CA | USA | Posted: 1:14 AM on 09.20.09 |
->> Mike, like you, I use Lightroom for editing and for creating galleries only. I am also not interested in using its cataloguing features.
You may already know this, but after you're done editing your shoot, be sure to select all of your photos and then select "Metadata - Save Metadata to Files". That will save .XMP "boxcar" files containing all of your cropping, toning, etc. in the same folder as the original files, eliminating your future dependence on the Lightroom database to access your edits. Regards, Joe |
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Michael Myers, Photographer
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Miami Beach | FL | USA | Posted: 10:43 AM on 09.20.09 |
->> Thanks!! I didn't know that. I'll try this later today.
Just to make sure I understand you correctly, if I edit an image (XYZ.JPG) in Lightroom, and then do what you've suggested to save the Metadata, I'll have a new file in the original directory (where the photo is stored) called XYZ.XMP which has all the information as to what I did. So, if I re-open the XYZ.JPG file a year later, Lightroom will see the XMP file and open the image in its final form, with all the corrections.
Suppose I open the image XYZ.JPG in Photoshop - will it also recognize the XMP file, and open a "corrected" image?
One other question - suppose I want to send the image to a magazine editor. In the past, I've been told to only send original un-edited files. If I send them both the XYZ.JPG file and the XYZ.XMP files, they'll have both the "original" and my suggestion as to what the image should look like, correct? If this is true, it could be pretty handy. |
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