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Can I get a little advise please
Russ Erbe, Photographer
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Lubbock | TX | US | Posted: 2:23 PM on 09.09.09 |
| ->> I'm shooting on the sidelines at the Texas Tech games this year. I signed no contract with them this year. I give them nothing, they give me nothing except a season media credential. At halftime I was up in the press box and spoke to the media relations dept for the visiting team. They were interested in possibly using some of my pics from the game since they only had two photogs travel with them. I've since put the game pics on my site and their Assistant director of media relations contacted me and said that they are definately interested in some of the pics. She then went on to tell me that since I wasn't hired by the universtity that they couldn't pay me for them and asked if I understood that if I gave them the pics that they were then theirs to do with as they please. I replied back and thanked them for their interest but that I was going to have to turn down that arrangement. Ten minutes later they replied and said that the AD was interested in some of the pics and wanted to know what I would charge for them. So, this will be my first time to sell to a college. Would some of you please give me some advise as to what I should ask for? Do I just ask for $? Do I ask for more $ if no credit is given? Less $ if credit is given? Thanks in advance |
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George Bridges, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Washington | DC | USA | Posted: 2:56 PM on 09.09.09 |
->> Russ,
Others will chime in here with better details but:
Get everything in writing
Do not give up your copyright to the images
Spell out all usage limitations in writing
Do not compromise price just for a credit
Get everything in writing
Have a signed contract with them
(is the whole written document thing coming clear here?) |
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Grant Gartland, Photographer, Assistant
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Bloomington | MN | USA | Posted: 2:57 PM on 09.09.09 |
| ->> The important thing here would be a written contract for the usage. This would spell out things like: how the pics can be used by them, can they give others right to use the images, do they have to give you credit in their publications. Everything needs to be in writing so all parties now what is and is not ok. |
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Grant Gartland, Photographer, Assistant
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Bloomington | MN | USA | Posted: 2:59 PM on 09.09.09 |
| ->> Foiled again! |
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Jim Colburn, Photo Editor, Photographer
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McAllen | TX | USA | Posted: 6:14 PM on 09.09.09 |
| ->> Your first question should be, "What's your budget?" |
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Juliann Tallino, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Port Townsend/Seattle | WA | USA | Posted: 7:14 PM on 09.09.09 |
| ->> Russ, your first question should be usage. How can you price something if you don't know how it will be used? |
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Matthew Bush, Photographer
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Hattiesburg | MS | USA | Posted: 8:31 PM on 09.09.09 |
| ->> Not to go off thread but Has anyone seen schools using AP photos on their sites ? I shoot C-USA ball and noticed that my shoots were used in a web gallery on the schools athletics website. They were all pulled from the wire. I am just wondering how the football office got AP access to myself and another photographers images when this gallery is usually provided by the schools contract photographer. |
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Patrick Meredith, Photographer, Assistant
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Austin | TX | USA | Posted: 9:45 PM on 09.09.09 |
->> Russ,
I sent you an email.
PM |
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Dennis Wierzbicki, Photographer
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Plainfield | IL | USA | Posted: 7:02 AM on 09.10.09 |
->> Russ - in addition to all the other great advice you've gotten above, you probably also want to contact the SID's office of the home team (the team that issued you the credentials in the first place). I have found that, unless you never want to shoot there again, it's wise to keep them in the loop when things like this happen. The good news is I've never had an issue with SID's and things like this - they've always been very reasonable.
I second the comments about getting it all in writing (including the home team's permission to sell images from their event) and do NOT sell yourself short. If you have Fotoquote, you can run it to give you an idea of what the shots are worth once you get the usage determined. |
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Kevin Leas, Photographer, Assistant
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Rochester | NY | USA | Posted: 9:09 AM on 09.10.09 |
->> I would advise you to spell advice right *grin*
Otherwise, I can't think of anything that those above me haven't already covered. One thing I might stress, though, is that you don't change your price based on a name credit. If you offer them the chance to pay you less just to have your name printed, there's not a chance in hell they'll give you the higher of the prices that you ask for. |
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Russ Erbe, Photographer
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Lubbock | TX | US | Posted: 9:33 AM on 09.10.09 |
| ->> Thanks for all of your advice folks. I appreciate it. |
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Clark Brooks, Photo Editor, Photographer
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Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 10:05 AM on 09.10.09 |
| ->> Matthew Bush: The answer is "yes". I've seen several examples of colleges using AP photos and stories on their website. In one case I was told that school and AP had an agreement in place to allow usage of AP photos. If you are concern, you should contact your picture editor for details. |
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor
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San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 10:29 AM on 09.10.09 |
->> Russ,
When you "get it in writing," don't simply ask the client to put it in writing. Be prepared with your own paperwork and your own terms.
Also: REGISTER THE IMAGES WITH THE COPYRIGHT OFFICE.
--Mark |
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Russ Erbe, Photographer
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Lubbock | TX | US | Posted: 10:47 AM on 09.10.09 |
| ->> Mark, I was wanting to have my own agreement so that in the future when I sell pics like these to schools, it will be easy. However, I relly don't have a clue as to how it should read. Would anybody be willing to email me a copy of such an agreement that they have used or are still using? It would be very much appreciated. |
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor
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Russ Erbe, Photographer
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Lubbock | TX | US | Posted: 2:22 PM on 09.10.09 |
| ->> Mark, can you give me a link to where I can find the book to purchase it? |
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Russ Erbe, Photographer
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Lubbock | TX | US | Posted: 10:11 AM on 09.15.09 |
| ->> Would someone please PM me a copy of one of their invoices so that I can see how it reads. You can mark out the particulars like cost and names. I just need to write up an invoice to send to the school. They have decided to only purchase one picture that they say they will use for use in publications, billboards, display ads, etc. I will plan on doing more research on the best way to handle invoices in the future, but for now, I just need to put something together real quick for these folks. Thanks |
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George Bridges, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Washington | DC | USA | Posted: 2:11 PM on 09.15.09 |
->> Russ you can get it from Amazon if not locally.
go to John's blog at
http://photobusinessforum.blogspot.com/
Links to books are down the page on the right. |
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Russ Erbe, Photographer
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Lubbock | TX | US | Posted: 2:55 PM on 09.15.09 |
| ->> Thanks George. I just ordered it. |
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Russ Erbe, Photographer
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Lubbock | TX | US | Posted: 2:58 PM on 09.15.09 |
| ->> One last thing, would someone explain the pro's and con's of giving the copywright with the image when you sell it? The best I can think of is that if you give it away with the image, they can then sell it to someone else? If you keep the copyright,can they still use the image as they wished when the purchased it? |
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Jon Eilts, Photographer
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College Station | TX | USA | Posted: 12:57 PM on 09.16.09 |
| ->> If you sell your copyright, the person who bought it can do whatever they pleased with the image(s). You however can no longer do anything with it...even self promotion on your website. If you are keeping the copyright and giving the client limited usage rights, that needs to be explained thoroughly in a contract and is between you and the client to determine what rights are to be granted. Either way, MAKE SURE IT IS IN WRITING! |
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Russ Erbe, Photographer
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Lubbock | TX | US | Posted: 3:09 PM on 09.16.09 |
| ->> Hey thanks Jon. I will put that in my invoice. |
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Jon Eilts, Photographer
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College Station | TX | USA | Posted: 9:31 PM on 09.16.09 |
| ->> No, not invoice. Contract. The usage rights will determine the amount to be charged. Obviously if you are selling it as a 1/4 page, one time, 5,000 circulation it would be different than giving them unlimited rights to the images. |
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