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Its OFFICIAL.....New 7D
Anantachai Brown, Photographer
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Adam Heller, Photographer
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Grafenwöhr | DE | | Posted: 2:18 AM on 09.02.09 |
| ->> Sounds like that's my new second body. I was considering an older 1D too. |
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Neil Turner, Photographer
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Bournemouth | UK | United Kingdom | Posted: 5:13 AM on 09.02.09 |
->> I have a couple of 5D MkII bodies and a 50D. I am hoping to swap the 50D (and some cash) for a 7D so that I have uniform batteries and so that I get a better made third camera. I like the 50D - a lot - but it does feel insubstantial.
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Baron Sekiya, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Keaau | HI | USA | Posted: 5:34 AM on 09.02.09 |
| ->> I'd like to get my hands on a pair of these myself. I've used the hacked Windows app that lets me capture Live View video from my 40D (albeit only at 15 fps and 1024x680) and the 10-22mm lens FOV is really nice. To have 1080p would be most excellent. *wrings hands* |
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Anantachai Brown, Photographer
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Jacksonville | FL | | Posted: 7:26 AM on 09.02.09 |
| ->> i agree...i'll definitely sell my 50D to get one of these babies!!! |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 11:02 AM on 09.02.09 |
| ->> I'm waiting for the thread about how "crappy" this camera is to start....... |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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102 Yards From The Beach | CT | | Posted: 11:25 AM on 09.02.09 |
->> " I'm waiting for the thread about how "crappy" this camera is to start......."
Its a 1.6x crop, not a full-frame...it sucks |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 11:33 AM on 09.02.09 |
->> You know Steven, my boss mentioned that to me and I reminded him that those of us on the staff who shoot a lot of sports LOVE the 1.6 crop because it gives us a longer throw with the glass. And to be honest after shooting with 1.6 crop for the last, what nine or ten years, I've grown so accustomed to it I don't think it matters much (especially with a 16-35mm lens)
Sure the MarkII 5D is full frame but I don't use it much for sports and probably wouldn't even if the motor was faster. I like having the extra "reach" with the 1.6 in the Mark III's
The comments associated with this post reflect the opinion of Chuck Liddy and not those of his employer. |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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102 Yards From The Beach | CT | | Posted: 11:47 AM on 09.02.09 |
->> Chuck,
Having used the 1.6x crop since the NC2000 & DCS520 bodies one of the major factors in my shift from Nikon's D1, with its 1.5x to Canon was the 1.3x on the 1D & full frame on the 1Ds.
If you recall...I used to shoot a lot of sports covering the NFL every weekend and shooting 20+ NCAA D1 sports daily for a large university. I made the switch to Canon during this time. I actually shot an NFL season at one point with a DCS520 (Canon/Kodak), with a 1.6x crop; Nikon D1x with a 1.5x crop & Canon 1D with a 1.3x crop. Three systems simultaneously was not ideal, but its what I ended with during the last 2 games of one NFL season through end of the playoffs (all Canon by the time the Super Bowl rolled around).
I never felt like I lost 'the reach' just that my crop was being done in-camera without my consent. As for the 16-25f2.8, it is a lens that never comes off my 5D or 1Ds bodies. I love my 14f2.8 and 16-35f2.8 and detest it on the 20D body. At times I'll stick it on the 1.3x of the 1D but rarely. I like my wide being wide.
The comments associated with this post reflect Chuck being an old dog who is afraid to embrace his wide angle lenses...his employer probably agrees with me *GRIN* |
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Jim Colburn, Photo Editor, Photographer
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McAllen | TX | USA | Posted: 12:03 PM on 09.02.09 |
->> "...those of us on the staff who shoot a lot of sports LOVE the 1.6 crop..."
The same crop is available on the 5D, the 5DMk2 and the EOS-1D Mk2 and Mk3.
All you have to do is crop the image. |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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102 Yards From The Beach | CT | | Posted: 12:08 PM on 09.02.09 |
->> Jim,
You need to type BIGGER so Chuck can read it...you know how people get at his age. |
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Jason Joseph, Photographer
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Dublin | OH | USA | Posted: 12:16 PM on 09.02.09 |
| ->> As long as Chuck uses a camera with a 1.6 crop to read it with, the text will be bigger:) |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 1:22 PM on 09.02.09 |
->> Hey guys, do not under ANY circumstances quit your day jobs.
The comedy club circuit is brutal I tell you, BRUTAL!!! 8)
(The comments associated with this post reflect the opinion of Chuck Liddy and not those of his employer.) |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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102 Yards From The Beach | CT | | Posted: 1:25 PM on 09.02.09 |
->> Chuck,
Sorry my hearing aid was off, I couldn't read what you wrote...
...something about a Speed Graphic, a gallon of D-76 and Chuck Liddy walk into a bar... :0) |
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G.J. McCarthy, Photographer
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Dallas | TX | Lower 48 | Posted: 2:22 PM on 09.02.09 |
->> 7D?? What happened to six?
I mean I'm bad enough at math already ... I don't need Canon encouraging me to skip arbitrary numbers ...
- g - |
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Michael Fischer, Photographer
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Spencer | Ia | USA | Posted: 2:42 PM on 09.02.09 |
->> G.J.
The 6 used the MIII autofocus system ... :)
Michael |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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102 Yards From The Beach | CT | | Posted: 3:24 PM on 09.02.09 |
->> GJ,
Ever wonder how the massive Boeing 747 got placed between much much smaller 727 and 737? Canon is not taking on this numbering logic. |
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Jack Kurtz, Photographer
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Phoenix | AZ | United States | Posted: 3:57 PM on 09.02.09 |
->> Steven,
I'm pretty sure Boeing numbers their jets chronologically. 707 was first, 727, 737, 747, 757 etc. At least it makes sense (though I don't know what happened to the 717)
jack |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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102 Yards From The Beach | CT | | Posted: 4:30 PM on 09.02.09 |
->> Jack,
You'd think....but no
Boeing 707: 1957 -- Intro to service 1958
Boeing 717 : 1998 -- Intro to service 1999
Boeing 727 : 1963 -- Intro to service 1964
Boeing 737 : 1967 -- Intro to service 1968
Boeing 747 : 1969 -- Intro to service 1970
Boeing 757 : 1982 -- Intro to service 1983
Boeing 767 : 1981 -- Intro to service 1982
Boeing 777 : 1994 -- Intro to service 1995
Boeing 787 : 2009* -- Intro to service 2010*
*based on Boeing claims
As you can see there are some lapses in the numbering process within Boeing. Notably the 717 as well as the 757/767
In 1978 the 7N7 (757)was project created; The Boeing 7X7 (767) project was created in 1972. |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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102 Yards From The Beach | CT | | Posted: 4:43 PM on 09.02.09 |
->> Not off topic...just replying to Jack's direct comment...
...now back to what the hell happened to the 6D? Is the 6D reserved for the next full-frame pro-sumer body to follow the 5D? Did Canon decide to use only odd numbers from now on? Considering there was no 2D, 3D or 4D...and Canon jumped from the 1D to the 5D, skipping to the 7D almost makes sense.
Look at the Canon Powershot, there was no G4, G1 through G3 & now G5 through G11. Where is the G4? Did the G4 irritate someone and tossed into solitary confinement and forgotten about? Is the Powershot G4 in need of Amnesty International to petition for its release? |
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Tim Snow, Photographer
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Montreal | Qc | Canada | Posted: 5:00 PM on 09.02.09 |
->> "Numbers
There are several unlucky numbers in Japanese. Traditionally, 4 and 9 are unlucky. Four is sometimes pronounced shi, which is also the word for death.[3] Nine is also sometimes pronounced ku, which can mean suffering. 13 is also occasionally thought of as unlucky, although this is imported from Western culture. Because of these unlucky numbers, sometimes levels or rooms with 4 or 9 in them don't exist in hospitals or hotels, and particularly in the maternity section of a hospital, the room number 43 is avoided because it can literally mean "still birth." Therefore, when giving gifts such as sets of plates, they are normally sets of three or five, never four."
Thanks Wikipedia!
I just want to make sure I throw the thread way off course...
Also about the 1.6, my biggest issue with them is I find the viewfinder way too small and dim. I sometimes have a hard time manually focusing as I can barely see what's going on, especially in low light with a wide angle. |
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Alan Look, Photographer
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Bloomington | IL | United States | Posted: 5:16 PM on 09.02.09 |
->> I almost switched to Nikon because of the 1.5x instead of the 1.6. It's easier to figure out the focal length distance difference using a factor of .5 instead of .6. What .6 of 35? Be quick! .5 would be 17.5, making it a 52 and a half. I can figure that, and believe me it makes a huge difference in my viewfinder.
Canon did have a 60 - a D60. why didn't they make it a 70D istead of a 7D? |
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Jack Howard, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Central Jersey | NJ | USA | Posted: 5:44 PM on 09.02.09 |
->> FYI: I spoke with CW this morning. Many sites are reporting the AEB sequence on the 7D as +/-2 EV on .3 or .5 steps.
The actual specs of the 7D are 3 shots at up to +/-3 EV in .3 or .5 steps. This additional EV spacing gives much more capture range for more photorealistic HDR bracket sequences.
The single-biggest reason much HDR style photography looks artificial is overcompensation in processing for underbracketing during capture.
Without having seen DXOMark results for the RAW capture at ISO 100 on this 18MP chip, but ballparking it at about 11 EV, this works out to be an approximately 17EV captured range at maximum bracketing in less than four tenths of a second with fast shutter speeds. This is a nice EV spread in lightning fast time for outdoor daylight HDR shooting. (Indoors and lowlight with longer shutter speeds obviously slows down the burst rate due to shutter speed lengths.)
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Also, 1.6 is a clipped form very powerful number: Φ, (1.618...) or approximately the floating average of divided values of any two adjacent Fibonacci numbers greater than 3: 5/8, 13/21, 34/55, 89/144. Φ is it's own inverse. Multiply 1.618181818 and .618181818 and you get 1. Reverse the division orders and you'll see the same thing: .618 values.
This divine proportions shows up very frequently in the aesthetics of nature, including sunflower spirals, pinecone spirals, and much more. For more on the Golden or Divine Ratio, check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio Many believe the aesthetics and appreciations of Φ-based scale and interplay are innate characteristics.
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So applying the "Monty-Python-if-it-is-made-out-of-wood-it's-a-duck-logic" to this situation: if you can't make a pleasing image with a 1.6x sensor, it's you, not the camera ;) |
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Dennis Wierzbicki, Photographer
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Plainfield | IL | USA | Posted: 8:07 PM on 09.02.09 |
->> " I like having the extra "reach" with the 1.6 in the Mark III's"
Point of clarification:
If it's the Canon EOS 1D MkIII you're talking about, this is a 1.3X camera, no? |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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102 Yards From The Beach | CT | | Posted: 9:02 PM on 09.02.09 |
->> Dennis
Shhhh.....no one has told Chuck that the 1D bodies are a 1.3x crop. We don't want to shock him with that revelation just yet :0) |
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Wes Hope, Photographer
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Maryville | TN | USA | Posted: 9:27 PM on 09.02.09 |
->> "So applying the "Monty-Python-if-it-is-made-out-of-wood-it's-a-duck-logic" to this situation: if you can't make a pleasing image with a 1.6x sensor, it's you, not the camera ;)"
A race car driver could also win a race with a third of the windshield covered in black cinefoil, but why race handicapped. Or a surgeon may successfully perform open-heart surgery on me with one eye closed, but I'd rather he didn't.
I said it before in the other thread, and I'll say it again; 1.6x blows. Give me full frame or give me death. But that's my personal opinion. And I've shot with them all. I just hope the tech in the 7D will lead to some major improvements in other Canons.
Nice Monty Python reference though. :) |
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Osamu Chiba, Photographer
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Vista | CA | USA | Posted: 1:00 AM on 09.03.09 |
->> Sorry for my off-topic post, but I could not resist.
Regarding Tim's "Numbers..." in Wikipedia, I have never ever been to a hotel or hospital where those unlucky numbers were skipped. I was living in Japan for almost 19 years. Honestly, this is the first time I've ever heard of 9 and 43 as unlucky numbers. I can understand the explanations, but Japanese people are not that crazy enough to avoid some numbers in buildings and such.
I have absolutely no idea why Canon has skipped certain numbers. Maybe Canon people are in fact crazy...
O |
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Mike Morelock, Photographer
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Greenwood | AR | USA | Posted: 4:29 AM on 09.03.09 |
->> You actually will get extra reach with the 1.6 crop 7D. It's all about pixel density. I think if the 7D sensor was made full size it would be 46+ megapixels. So until Canon comes out with a 46mp full frame your best reach will be with the 7D. Even now with the 15mp 50D, you would need a 39mp full frame sensor to get the same pixel density.
The other plus to crop bodies is you're using the best part of the glass, the center, instead of the edges which are usually softer, more distortion, etc. That will be more and more important at these higher pixel densities. On the downside, the 7D will be diffraction limited at probably f5.6 lol. I guess that's no problem for sports with fast glass, and shallow depth of field, but overall how many will be using it for that?
Of course personally, i'd rather have fewer megapixels, with more dynamic range and high ISO, and that seems to be the views of every photographer I've talked to, but Canon seems bound and determined to do the opposite. I guess the marketing department demand more megapixels to help sell the camera. |
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Joe Cavaretta, Photographer
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Ft Lauderdale | FL | USA | Posted: 7:10 AM on 09.03.09 |
| ->> Fibonacci makes a hell of a pizza too |
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Neil Turner, Photographer
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Bournemouth | UK | United Kingdom | Posted: 7:10 AM on 09.03.09 |
->> I went to a Canon UK event last night and had a quick "hands-on" with a couple of 7Ds. Very solid feel - far more so than the 50D and the menu system has just over a zillion options! I can see that the AF system from the 7D might become a test bed for a future 1D series body. The bad news is that the mode dial still has no way of locking it :-(
The new 100mm f2.8L IS Macro looks superb by the way... and the S90 is a little beauty too.
Neil |
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Anantachai Brown, Photographer
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Jacksonville | FL | | Posted: 7:31 AM on 09.03.09 |
| ->> thanks Neil for the report!!! I was also very interested in the 100mm. think would be a great substitute for the 85 1.2 for almost half the price. |
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Chad Ryan, Photographer
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Fort Wayne | IN | USA | Posted: 5:26 PM on 09.03.09 |
->> Maybe I'm reading the specs and feature list incorrectly, but one feature I'm not clear on is the intelligent viewfinder. My question is, when looking through this viewfinder, is the photographer seeing directly through the lens as in other camera with a mirror and focusing screen? Or, is the photographer seeing a live view digital image of what the lens sees? Have any of you played with this camera and know first hand the answer to this question?
So far I like the specs of this camera, but it would be a deal breaker for me to be looking through the viewfinder at a live view digital representation of what I should be seeing through the glass. |
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Robert Benson, Photographer
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Patrick Murphy-Racey, Photographer
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Powell | TN | USA | Posted: 11:09 PM on 09.03.09 |
| ->> the NEW Canon 7D 1.6X teleconverter is coming... that sucker on the new 200 f/2L has me pretty dang excited... high school ball here we come!!! 320mm f/2L IS at 128,000 ISO??? seriously! pm-r |
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Chad Ryan, Photographer
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Fort Wayne | IN | USA | Posted: 11:23 PM on 09.03.09 |
| ->> Thanks for the link Robert. That definitely clears it up for me, and it's good to know that I can keep this camera on my list of potential purchases. |
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Baron Sekiya, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Keaau | HI | USA | Posted: 12:54 AM on 09.09.09 |
->> Canon 7D HD video shot at 1080/24p and 720/50p
http://vimeo.com/6475938
This is is going to be a very popular camera.
I want. |
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Ronnie Montgomery, Photographer
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Houston | TX | USA | Posted: 5:33 AM on 09.09.09 |
| ->> Bokeh beats reach any day. Wes is right, 1.anythingX blows. |
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William Guerro, Photographer
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Galloway | NJ | USA | Posted: 11:28 AM on 09.09.09 |
| ->> Anyone know when the targeted release date is for this new 7D? |
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Max Waugh, Photographer
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Bothell | WA | USA | Posted: 1:12 PM on 09.09.09 |
| ->> I had initially heard the end of this month, but someone mentioned that Best Buy posted a ship date of September 13-15. Nothing definitive yet. |
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Paul Stackhouse, Photographer
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Cary | NC | USA | Posted: 1:44 PM on 09.09.09 |
| ->> The Best Buy site allows you to pre-order and estimates delivery on 10/15. Adorama looks like it is taking orders and says delivery expected to start October 2009. |
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Shelby Daniel, Photographer
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Guntown | MS | USA | Posted: 3:52 PM on 09.29.09 |
| ->> Has anyone gotten their hands on one and shot any sports yet? Mine is in the mail. I'll give the new camera a light workout this weekend, and post my impressions and a link to some photos. I should be able to shoot some HS football Friday night, and a wedding Saturday. Both should test the autofocus accuracy and high iso capability pretty well. |
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Monty Rand, Photographer
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Bangor | ME | USA | Posted: 4:04 PM on 09.29.09 |
| ->> I know a lot of people here don't like the 1.6 crop, but I just bought a 5D mark II. I've used the 5D for some sporting events and it actually does quite well. Better than I expected. I shot some soccer with a 400 F2.8 and 1 .4TC and the images were tack sharp. I was impressed. I think the 7D and the 5D will compliment each other well for my work. |
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Brian Tietz, Photographer
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Fort Myers | FL | USA | Posted: 5:21 PM on 09.29.09 |
| ->> Shelby, Please post a review with your HS football, can't wait to see how it does under Friday Night Lights. |
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Patrick Meredith, Photographer, Assistant
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Austin | TX | USA | Posted: 5:34 PM on 09.29.09 |
->> I don't shoot Canon, but I'm curious about it as well. I've seen some pretty awesome video with the camera, but no FNLs.
http://vimeo.com/6496808 |
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