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A.F. 1 NY fly over photos
Erik Markov, Photographer
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Kokomo | IN | | Posted: 4:56 PM on 08.03.09 |
->> The photos from the Air Force 1 fly over in NY that scared the crap out of everyone have been released...... and they suck. We know Pete didn't shoot these. Hope it was worth it for the all chaos they caused. Except for the last photo, they all look like they could have been shot 20 years ago, with the horrid tint they have to them.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-air-force-one-ny-pics,0,7521031.photogallery |
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Kevin Leas, Photographer, Assistant
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Rochester | NY | USA | Posted: 7:07 PM on 08.03.09 |
->> Just to nitpick: Air Force One was not involved in a flyover for a photo op. The plane is only known by that name when the President is on board; which was not the case here. I'm curious as to why the photos are captioned Air Force One in the images linked above.
Andrew: the link posted here is for multiple photos, which were only recently made available. The article you're referring to only shows one, which was all that had been released at the time that story was published several months ago. This is a new update to that. And if I'm not mistaken, I believe there are even more shots - I seem to remember seeing a gallery of seven shots over the weekend; the Tribune only shows five. |
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John Plassenthal, Photographer
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Vandalia | OH | USA | Posted: 7:11 PM on 08.03.09 |
->> In looking at various web sites there seems to be some that are toned better than others of the same photo, so the question is what was really released. However, I will say that the one of the more appealing compositions I've seen has a window reflection in it. If I had paid over $328K for the photos I would be disappointed in the results.
... Oh wait.. I did pay... |
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Bradly J. Boner, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Jackson | WY | USA | Posted: 9:08 PM on 08.03.09 |
| ->> Kevin - In the spirit of being nit-picky, while you're technically correct to point out that the U.S. Air Force uses the name "Air Force One" for whatever aircraft the president is aboard, be it a space shuttle, a Cessna or an ultralight, the AP Stylebook allows that the term "Air Force One" be used to identify the actual plane normally reserved for the Commander in Chief's use (the customized Boeing 747-200B) even though he may not be on board |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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102 Yards From The Beach | CT | | Posted: 11:21 AM on 08.04.09 |
->> "(the customized Boeing 747-200B)"
Actually...the aircraft used by Air Force One, aka: SAM 28000 & 29000, are designated as VC-25A aircraft, not 747-200s. A closely related variant of the VC-25A is the E-4.
While these are based on the 747-200, they are classified differently and thus not 747 models.
While the VC-25A when flying without POTUS on board is identified as SAM 28000 or SAM 29000, the Associated Press Style Book allows for the aircraft to commonly be referred to as "Air Force One" regardless of the President's presence on board (except when VPOTUS is on board when the aircraft is then identified as Air Force Two) |
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Bradly J. Boner, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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102 Yards From The Beach | CT | | Posted: 2:44 PM on 08.04.09 |
->> Bradley,
The VC-25A & E-4 are built on the 747 platform, but are not designated 747s.
VPOTUS has used the VC-25A under previous administrations, in addition to their own aircraft. |
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Matthew Sauk, Photographer
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Sandy | UT | United States | Posted: 3:43 PM on 08.04.09 |
| ->> hmm, I like a few of them. Oh well |
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
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Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 4:19 PM on 08.04.09 |
->> What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet. |
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Bradly J. Boner, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Jackson | WY | USA | Posted: 4:38 PM on 08.04.09 |
->> Steve - I wouldn't doubt if Cheney used the VC-25A plane, as it probably made him feel more "presidential."
However, I believe he flew in the smaller C-32 when he came to his home here in Jackson, as I think the VC-25A was too large for Jackson Hole Airport's runway. Regardless, seeing that monstrosity parked at the end of the tarmac for a couple weeks out of the year really diminished our view of the Tetons. |
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
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Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 4:51 PM on 08.04.09 |
->> I thought Air Force One was designated "The Death Star"
when Cheney was aboard. |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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102 Yards From The Beach | CT | | Posted: 9:47 PM on 08.04.09 |
->> Bradly,
I wasn't referring to Cheney, I was referring to Al Gore. Al Gore at times flew on the VC-25A.
Gore's Air Force Two however primarily a VC-137C, SAM 26000 & SAM 27000, which were previously used as Air Force One. The VC-137C was based on the Boeing 707-320B.
The current primary 'Air Force Two,' the C-32A, based on the Boeing 757-200ER, was first introduced to the fleet in 1998. The C-32 is also the primary aircraft for the Sect. of State. |
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Mark Peters, Photographer
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Highland | IL | USA | Posted: 8:10 AM on 08.05.09 |
->> From the white house site:
"In practice, however, Air Force One is used to refer to one of two highly customized Boeing 747-200B series aircraft, which carry the tail codes 28000 and 29000. The Air Force designation for the aircraft is VC-25A." |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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102 Yards From The Beach | CT | | Posted: 8:53 AM on 08.05.09 |
->> Mark,
In common practice SAM 28000/SAM29000 are referred to as "Air Force One" even when POTUS is not on board. Common practice is not always correct, especially in journalism.
A KC-135 is a Boeing 367-80 (not the Boeing 707) but no one refers to a KC-135 as a Boeing 367-80.
Also, the Boeing E-4B, another variant built on the 747-200 series, was built as an airborne command post for POTUS. The E-4B, while often used by the Sect of Defense has the primary role of being used as 'Air Force One' should there be a national security incident.
...I am pointing out the technicalities as Bradly originally stated "In the spirit of being nit-picky, while you're technically correct to point..." in an earlier post. |
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Alan Stewart, Photographer
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Corydon | IN | USA | Posted: 9:06 AM on 08.05.09 |
| ->> What would Harrison "GET OFF MY PLANE" Ford call it? |
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
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Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 1:04 PM on 08.05.09 |
| ->> But in this case, it would appear that common practice IS correct, even in journalism, at least according to both the White House AND AP Style. :) |
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David Minton, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Humble | TX | USA | Posted: 5:35 PM on 08.05.09 |
| ->> So what was the call sign of the BBJ that took Bill Clinton to Pyongyang? |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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102 Yards From The Beach | CT | | Posted: 8:13 PM on 08.05.09 |
->> David,
The Boeing Business Jet (BBJ/737-7EI) Bill Clinton travelled on to Pyongyang (FNJ), Registration: N2121, is owned by Shangri-La Entertainment, in Burbank, Calif. The aircraft is operated under the fully owned subsidiary AvJet Corp, which operates out of Bob Hope Airport (BUR) in Burbank.
BUR-FNJ is approx 5,157nm, and the range of the BBJ/737-7EI, configured for 18 passengers (no cargo) is approx 5,735nm. The official call-sign and tracking of N2121 are currently restricted, as the aircraft is in use for a "Diplomatic Mission" (Clinton's use of the aircraft). The flight should however fly with the designation of "SAM" or "Special Air Mission," although the flight was not operated by the U.S. Air Force. |
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Bradly J. Boner, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Jackson | WY | USA | Posted: 9:17 PM on 08.05.09 |
| ->> How 'bout the plane Nixon flew to China? |
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor
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San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 10:46 PM on 08.05.09 |
->> Bradly, I'm pretty sure that's the airframe that is currently at the Reagan Library.
--Mark |
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Bradly J. Boner, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Jackson | WY | USA | Posted: 1:06 AM on 08.06.09 |
| ->> I'll stump you guys yet! Let's see... what about the plane Roosevelt used for the Big Three conference in Yalta? |
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Mark Peters, Photographer
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Highland | IL | USA | Posted: 1:35 AM on 08.06.09 |
| ->> "Nicknamed the Sacred Cow, this VC-54C became the first military aircraft to transport a U.S. president when President Roosevelt took it to the USSR for the Yalta Conference in February 1945." |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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102 Yards From The Beach | CT | | Posted: 1:55 AM on 08.06.09 |
->> While 'Sacred Cow' is often referred to as the first military transport of a President, in fact Pan Am had operated the first official 'military presidential flight.' This operational flight was to/from the Casablanca Conference in January of 1943.
For the Casablanca Conference, President Roosevelt flew on board Pan Am's "Dixie Clipper" a Boeing 314. The Dixie Clipper was registered as NC18605, was in service from 1939 to 1950, and while starting its life with Pan Am, was eventually sold to World Airways before being retired and scrapped in 1950.
Notably the service established by Pan Am for Presidential travel lead to Pan Am training the original Air Force One flight crews on the intricacies of first class passenger service. |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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102 Yards From The Beach | CT | | Posted: 2:00 AM on 08.06.09 |
->> Bradly,
Nixon flew to China on board Air Force One, with the tail number 27000. |
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
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Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 8:28 AM on 08.06.09 |
| ->> Nixon had a tail number? |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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102 Yards From The Beach | CT | | Posted: 8:32 AM on 08.06.09 |
->> Chuck,
You don't see Tricky Dick's tail number on his hips in all those historic photos? You have to look close, it blends into his suit pants. |
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