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DSLR's + Video and Pro Sports
Jamey Price, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Charlotte | NC | USA | Posted: 12:08 AM on 07.13.09 |
->> A colleague and I were having a conversation last week and he was talking about how pro sports, and in particular the NFL (the topic of our conversation) do not allow video recording devices into the stadium because the NFL owns the commercial video rights to the games/teams and we both were wondering what will be done about the new generation DSLR's.
Has anyone has had experience trying to bring a D90 or something into to shoot a game? I would guess within the next 5 years, any DSLR being released will have video capabilities so does that force the NFL to "ban" cameras capable of recording video? It is an interesting problem because on one hand, technology is finally capable to mesh high quality video and digital stills in one camera but that poses a very serious problem for pro leagues, does it not?
Anyway, we were both wondering since this is a problem that has only become an issue within the past year with the release of the video still hybrids.
Just curious. Feel free to add your two cents, experience or thoughts on which direction this will go. |
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Darren Whitley, Photographer
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Maryville | MO | USA | Posted: 12:21 AM on 07.13.09 |
| ->> Many cellphones record video. |
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor
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San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 12:23 AM on 07.13.09 |
->> Rights holders are going to have to concentrate on policing usage. Policing equipment is already impossible.
--Mark |
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
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Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 12:54 AM on 07.13.09 |
->> Yes, as Mr. Loundy has said, it is doubtful that the NFL - or for that matter the NCAA, MLB, NBA, NHL, et al - would check the capture capabilities of the gear the media brings to games.
Just check the credential use agreement to see what the restrictions are. Here is small example from the Atlanta Falcons' credential:
http://www.signup4.net/public/ap.aspx?EID=FALC14E&OID=50
"MEDIA CREDENTIALS DO NOT AUTHORIZE HOLDERS TO SHOOT VIDEO OF GAME ACTION FROM THE SIDELINES (OR ANY OTHER LOCATION IN THE STADIUM). USE OF VIDEO EQUIPMENT ON THE SIDELINES DURING GAMES REQUIRES, AND IS SUBJECT TO SIGNATURE ON AND THE TERMS OF, THE SIDELINE VIDEO ACCESS AGREEMENT. MEDIA CREDENTIALS ISSUED TO VIDEO PERSONNEL AUTHORIZE THE HOLDERS TO SHOOT VIDEO OF NON-GAME ACTIVITIES (E.G., PLAYER INTERVIEWS) AND TO USE SUCH VIDEO IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TERMS OF THE MEDIA CREDENTIALS." |
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Jamey Price, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Charlotte | NC | USA | Posted: 10:37 AM on 07.13.09 |
->> Just seems like a really good thing (video capable DSLR's) are going to be a huge headache for everyone. While I realize cell phones are allowed in, there is a fairly significant difference in the video coming from an iPhone3GS and the video from a D90 or the Canon Rebel (which is now video capable isnt it?)
Thanks for the responses though. Like I said, I was just curious. |
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Jason Joseph, Photographer
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Dublin | OH | USA | Posted: 10:46 AM on 07.13.09 |
| ->> Consider, at this point since there is no auto focus or reasonable zoom capability, using a DSLR as a video capture device is fairly difficult without the proper accessories (.i.e. external monitor, follow focus, etc). So anyone who is trying to use a 5D MK II with a 400mm or 600mm at a NFL game is going to have a REALLY hard time getting anything worthwhile. And if anyone shows up with the additional accessories mounted on their camera, they are going to stick out like a sore thumb and will be seen doing this by anyone within 50 yards of them, including the teams' media representatives. |
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Jamey Price, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Charlotte | NC | USA | Posted: 1:23 PM on 07.13.09 |
->> That makes sense. I personally havent used the new DSLRs with video and didnt know they were that rudimentary in focusing and such.
I guess this is an issue that will continue to become more prominent in future years. Thanks for the response! |
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Eric Canha, Photographer
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Brockton | MA | United States | Posted: 4:05 PM on 07.13.09 |
| ->> Jamey no more of a headache than your average 12 gauge shotgun. Aimed at a buck in season you have dinner aimed at your brother-in-law because he's being a jerk and you're HAVING dinner with Buck and a few of his friends in the pen(itentiary). |
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Kevin Leas, Photographer, Assistant
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Rochester | NY | USA | Posted: 5:17 PM on 07.13.09 |
->> "Policing equipment is already impossible"
I honestly don't see how this would be so hard. Before they hand you your vest, they ask to see your bodies. Anything on their handy dandy "video capable" checklist doesn't get allowed in.
Will that happen? I don't know; I certainly hope not. And if that type of policy does come about, maybe enough tech-savy newspapers, magazines, etc. will boycott coverage to send a clear signal that the NFL will simply have to trust professional photographers to be...*gosh!*...professional, and only shoot what they're supposed to. |
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N. Scott Trimble, Photographer
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Lake Oswego | OR | USA | Posted: 7:30 PM on 07.13.09 |
| ->> Actually Jason, with good practice and in sporting events, a monopod, video focusing isn't such a problem when you get the finger muscles down. |
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Jason Joseph, Photographer
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Dublin | OH | USA | Posted: 9:47 PM on 07.13.09 |
->> "with good practice and in sporting events, a monopod, video focusing isn't such a problem"
Agreed. Anything can be done with practice. Is it likely? Probably not very. And when a receiver is running down the sideline at full steam, not being able to zoom b/c you have some long glass on, the shots will be mediocre at best. They will not of a quality that will compete with any of the broadcast shots. Sure, there have been some great shots captured by NFL Films over the years that were shot with prime lenses, but again, it is a different ball game. (no pun intended) |
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David Harpe, Photographer
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Louisville | KY | USA | Posted: 9:56 PM on 07.13.09 |
->> Jason,
Most of the cameras used by network TV guys are manual focus. It's not as hard as you might think...particularly if you position yourself correctly. You can also shoot stopped down a bit to help you out.
But regardless...as Mark said earlier...it's not about capturing footage, it's what you do with it. You'd have to be crazy to post footage from an NFL game if you ever want to be credentialed again. Most pros know this...or at the very least the organizations they work for know this.
That's why it's a non-issue. Use footage and they squash you like a bug. No equipment restriction necessary. |
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Jason Joseph, Photographer
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Dublin | OH | USA | Posted: 10:55 PM on 07.13.09 |
->> I guess, most recently, I was commenting mostly on the lack of servo zoom on DSLR's. And previous to that, regarding manual focus, I was referring to it being difficult due to the positioning and lack of decent viewfinder to be able to focus. I totally understand that broadcast camera have manual focus only. I have worked, primarily in the broadcast market for over 15 years. I just didn't word my comments as well as I should have.
Very true, shoot all you want to, but just don't use it. Well said, David. |
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Matt Brown, Photographer
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Fullerton | CA | USA | Posted: 11:50 PM on 07.13.09 |
| ->> Would you really want to shoot video of Detroit lions game? |
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Andrew Knapik, Photographer, Assistant
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Lincoln Park | MI | USA | Posted: 12:16 AM on 07.14.09 |
| ->> I would love to shoot video of the Lions. Think of the clips that you can send into ESPN for the weekly "Not Top Ten". |
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