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New shooter registry site!
Alex Menendez, Photographer
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Orlando | FL | USA | Posted: 3:16 PM on 06.30.09 |
->> A buddy of mine has recently launched a site for still and video shooters that he is using to set up a database to connect clients and photographers looking to connect.
The site is called "World of shooters" and he is offering people a chance to sign up for free this week only.
Log into www.worldofshooters.com , the free code to register with is "freeshooters".
If you are interested log in, if not, don't!
Anything to get work these days helps, I hope the site takes off!
alex |
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Nic Coury, Photographer
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Monterey | CA | | Posted: 3:36 PM on 06.30.09 |
->> Hey Alex,
This pretty neat.
I just signed up. Thanks for the code.
~ n |
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Max Lashin, Student/Intern, Photo Editor
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Tallahassee | FL | United States | Posted: 3:52 PM on 06.30.09 |
| ->> Thanks for the info and the code. Just signed up also! |
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Andrew Villa, Student/Intern, Assistant
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San Jose | CA | United States | Posted: 3:55 PM on 06.30.09 |
| ->> just registered also! Thanks for the coupon code! |
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Wally Nell, Photographer
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CAIRO | EG | EGYPT | Posted: 3:58 PM on 06.30.09 |
| ->> Interesting, but it forces me to use a state code, when I live outside the US. |
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Alex Menendez, Photographer
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Orlando | FL | USA | Posted: 4:38 PM on 06.30.09 |
->> Wally ,
I will forward this problem to the site. |
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N. Scott Trimble, Photographer
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Lake Oswego | OR | USA | Posted: 5:34 PM on 06.30.09 |
| ->> ditto |
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Walt Middleton, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Columbus | OH | USA | Posted: 5:45 PM on 06.30.09 |
->> Thanks for the code...
I've just signed up. |
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Steven Bisig, Photographer
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Seattle | WA | USA | Posted: 6:11 PM on 06.30.09 |
| ->> just signed up. |
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Jamey Price, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Charlotte | NC | USA | Posted: 6:28 PM on 06.30.09 |
| ->> Same. I'm interested how well this goes. At this point theres not point in not signing up. Thanks for the link. |
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John Germ, Photographer
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Wadsworth | Oh | USA | Posted: 6:39 PM on 06.30.09 |
->> Alex,
I'm a little disappointed in the privacy policy. There is no way to directly opt out of our data being shared with third parties. The policy states "In compliance with privacy laws, we also provide our opt out lists to those third party companies so that they can be suppressed from the communications those companies send on Juggernaut Media's behalf."
It sounds like registering with your friend's site is inviting a whole lot of spam. I would suggest if they're legitimate they consider changing their policy to allow the user, upon registration, to indicate they do NOT want their information shared with third parties. That's a fairly standard practice for reputable web sites. As worded, the above would seem to indicate that if the third party isn't sending you spam on 'Juggernet Media's behalf' it's OK for them to spam you. |
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Mike Strasinger, Photographer
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Nashville | TN | USA | Posted: 7:13 PM on 06.30.09 |
| ->> Thanks |
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Peter Wine, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Dayton | OH | USA | Posted: 7:28 PM on 06.30.09 |
->> I agree with John.
As much as I'd like to sign up, I really can't with this privacy policy in place.
Good luck, though. |
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Alex Menendez, Photographer
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Orlando | FL | USA | Posted: 7:51 PM on 06.30.09 |
->> John,
Tim has seen your comment and informed me that he will definetely revisit the policy. He guarantees me that no info will be shared with third parties, just potential employers.
However, you bring up a very valid point, what these potential employers choose to do with the info is now out of the sites control. Do you have any suggestions that perhaps you could share with Tim or other ideas?
Like I stated above, I am just letting ya'll know about the site, I joined but that does not everybody needs to or wants to.
Thanks
Alex |
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Jeff Mills, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Columbus | OH | USA | Posted: 8:01 PM on 06.30.09 |
->> Is the site going to offer any sort of membership forum or other resources in the future ?
$119.95/year seems a bit steep just to have your contact info listed for potential clients when sites like SS allow clients to also search for shooters and provide a wealth of other benifits for a mere $25. Just saying....
Also the pricing scale seems a bit off in that 6 months is $24.95 to double that to a full year raises the price to $119.95. I would think a year membership over 6 months should only raise the price 75% or less in order to give an incentive to join for the longer period. |
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Brian Blanco, Photographer
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Tampa / Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 8:06 PM on 06.30.09 |
->> With all due respect Alex, I know some guys who did something similar a few years back and it had been quite a success. I get a lot of work through their site, I get great search engine placement and I've even learned a lot since joining... it's called www.sportsshooter.com
And, unlike your friend's site, it's only $25.00 per year, which is less than 1/4 of your friend's site. Also, clients can search for me based upon the quality of my work (by looking at my images and reading a short bio and work history) rather than just by what gear I have amassed.
I know my post is kind of snarky but in all seriousness, you've come onto Sportsshooter's message board to advertise their competition. |
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Brian Blanco, Photographer
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Tampa / Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 8:08 PM on 06.30.09 |
| ->> Looks like Jeff and I were typing at the same moment. |
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Max Lashin, Student/Intern, Photo Editor
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Tallahassee | FL | United States | Posted: 8:17 PM on 06.30.09 |
->> I don't really think that the site Alex is sharing to us is competition to sportsshooter. To me, SS is a place to interact with fellow shooters and a place to learn more about different styles, equipment etc... basically anything to improve your success and photography. I don't believe it was created as a place to list your business and gain work but as time went on and into the present it is a place where you "can" do that. I know I didnt join just to promote my business, I joined to interact with people who could help improve my photo skills..
The worldofshooters.com seems like a place where shooters can list their business for potential clients, not really a place for interacting and learning...
In all honesty it actually seems like more of a video place than stills... but thats besides the fact.
All Alex is doing is just trying to share a possibly useful promotion tool for all of us to list our business. In times like these, Ill take anything to help get a gig or two.. |
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John Germ, Photographer
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Wadsworth | Oh | USA | Posted: 8:21 PM on 06.30.09 |
->> Alex,
you said
"...He guarantees me that no info will be shared with third parties, just potential employers.
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Let me be blunt. Your friend is apparently feeding you a load of crap.
According to his site they provide contact lists to telemarketers:
"We provide contact lists to third party companies that we have employed to provide us with specialized services, including customer service, subscription fulfillment, research, statistical analysis, list cleansing, postal mailings, email and fax deployment, telemarketing, and other information services."
Not surprisingly it appears part of the revenue stream of this company is contact lists. That's really in poor taste in my opinion for a service marketed to professionals.
Combine that with the outrageous price and this appears to be a VERY bad idea for any would-be photographers who are signing up.
Again, just one man's opinion. Others may feel differently. |
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Brian Blanco, Photographer
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Tampa / Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 8:26 PM on 06.30.09 |
->> Max,
I see your point, and I'm all for finding one more place to get my name in front of potential clients, and I'm not, in any way, angry with Alex (I actually have met him and liked him) I'm just saying that this site's message board may not have been the right place to announce a friend's new business venture if it competes (at all) with this site.
I'm also saying that this new site has a fatal flaw and that is the price to join is much higher than what you can get elsewhere and I think the fact that on their site, the fact that clients can search by what gear you own just seems, I don't know... "hackish".. Clients don't hire me because I own this lens or this body, they hire me because of the quality of my work. They don't care what gear I have and I've never been asked. Whenever I see someone list their gear on their website I think it looks fairly amateur (there ARE exceptions though). |
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Max Lashin, Student/Intern, Photo Editor
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Tallahassee | FL | United States | Posted: 8:32 PM on 06.30.09 |
| ->> I totally agree with you on the price and equipment part. I own Nikon D2h's etc...even if I wanted to I dont get my own category! |
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Brian Blanco, Photographer
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Tampa / Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 8:35 PM on 06.30.09 |
| ->> I'd also warn potential subscribers to be careful listing their street address (a required field to join this new site) as it makes life too easy on thugs looking for a nice place to burglarize. I don't list my address on SS or my personal website even though I don't store my gear at my home anyway. |
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Mike Brice, Photographer
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Ogden | UT | USA | Posted: 8:44 PM on 06.30.09 |
->> Brian -
Simple solution to photographer's business address - PO Box.
Mike |
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Alex Menendez, Photographer
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Orlando | FL | USA | Posted: 8:46 PM on 06.30.09 |
->> Sportsshooter is a great site and I come here everyday! I love it and am proud to be a member here, and I too have gotten work from this site.
I have also been involved in the professional video industry and have made most of my income shooting video... more than shooting stills alone.
I incorporate stills into the jobs that I bid when applicable and do a lot of educational work for huge publishers such as Mosby/Jems, McGraw-Hill, and other national publishing companies for a pretty good fee....none the less, I have found that I have to keep bidding on new jobs time and time again, even while working on current projects. Some of the work that I have gotten came from sites such as ProductionHub which is very similar to the site Tim is putting together. I will admit it is probably geared more towards video shooters but with the advent of the 5DMKII it looks like there is a transition beginning that is leaning more toward the video side anyways. Can it really hurt to try and put your name out there, some people think so, some don't. I will!!
I have followed trends for years and know that in the market that we are in, every little bit helps and may eventually lead to something bigger.
The site is in no way, shape or form remotely close to the SS site. SS as I see it is geared toward the SPORTSSHOOTER in general and those who want to learn this business the right way, and I would guess that (most) assignment editors who hire members here are looking for a shooter of sports. The other site is for clients to first locate and then hire shooters of sports, studio, eng, field production, architectural and then some.
Tim saw the need for a go between to get shooters who are looking for work to get exposure and for those who are traveling into your town to hopefully locate you or someone on the list in your city. He plans to advertise heavily in the trade magazines and online and let the people who do the hiring know that this site exists. Unless you are a staffer and get a regular paycheck, how do you advertise your services? Most of us post on this site and then have a link back to our home website, what else will people see to contact you..??
As I stated earlier, if you sign up now, it is FREE! Yup, FREE! No fee. FREE!
If the moderators of this post kill it, so be it. I guess if some see it as an advertisement then it should go. I was just trying to let others know about it to possibly get some work.
Alex:) |
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Jeff Mills, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Columbus | OH | USA | Posted: 12:30 AM on 07.01.09 |
->> Brian, not to disagree with you over the equipment list, because I do largely agree, but I think its worth pointing out that at least in terms of the video market, equipment does play a much bigger role of importance and clients often will be looking for someone who uses a certain camera system so its worth listing.
In terms of stills I do think its a bit silly to think a client is only going to want a Nikon shooter with a D3 and not a Canon shooter with a 1D mkII for example. Just not that different, at least in terms of the finished product for the client.
If we are talking a Red Epic system vs something like a Canon XL system though, then thats rather apples and oranges and there are going to be clients looking for certain things.
Overall, it seems like a site thats better suited to videographers than still photographers, and I'm sure there are a number of production companies that will make great use of the site. |
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Eric Canha, Photographer
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Brockton | MA | United States | Posted: 9:37 AM on 07.01.09 |
->> Brian listing an address on the internet is no different from listing your studio's address in the yellow pages. Most of the photographers that I know or knew back in the wedding days had their studios (myself included) as an addition to their homes.
A P.O. box is great unless you are working a retail market that you want coming to your office / studio. You'll be much better served just investing in a solid security system, both in the form of an alarm and secure locks/doors/windows. Add to that a well written insurance policy.
A quality gun safe can be had used for small money and securely bolted into a concrete basement floor. Get a decent size that will house your more expensive gear that you don't use daily, 400 500 600 etc. |
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Joe Nicola, Photographer
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Fort Worth | TX | USA | Posted: 9:42 AM on 07.01.09 |
->> With respect to the "spam" issue and info provided to third parties that results in same: there's a feature on my keyboard--y'all might have the same one--called a "delete" key.. Works pretty well, most of the time.
Hey, Alex, thanks for the info. I registered with no problems and see the site as another way to get out there in front of potential clients. Thanks!
Joe ":O) |
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Michael Granse, Photographer
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Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 11:23 AM on 07.01.09 |
->> Everyone should stop what they are doing and mark Mr. Canha's post with a "huh." A gun safe? For cameras?!?! What similarity could possibly exist betweens guns and cameras?!?!
Guns are made of metal and plastic and need to be protected from theft, fire, and moisture. Cameras are made of metal and plastic and need to be protected from theft, fire, and uhhhhhhh . . . wait a minute.
The gun safe is a rather clever idea. I might have to get one of these :)
Thanks, Eric! |
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Joe Morahan, Photographer
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Denver | Co | USA | Posted: 11:42 AM on 07.01.09 |
| ->> I registered as well. Lets see how and if this works- |
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John Germ, Photographer
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Wadsworth | Oh | USA | Posted: 12:46 PM on 07.01.09 |
->> "The gun safe is a rather clever idea. I might have to get one of these :)"
Just pay attention to which canon you're pulling from the safe before you start shooting. In either case, you could end up with disasterous results selecting the wrong type. |
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Rene Mireles, Photographer
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Holland | MI | USA | Posted: 2:30 PM on 07.01.09 |
| ->> cool thx for the code, just registered |
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Derick Hingle, Photographer
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Hammond | LA | USA | Posted: 5:19 PM on 07.01.09 |
->> I registered, the home address, is not shown to the public, the address is used for calculating distance between you and the potential clients searching for photographers.
I do agree the price is steep, would not have signed up without the code, way too expensive to be placed in a directory. The serach by equipment works well for those in the film industry but I don't think most clients care what equipment you have for photography just that you can get the job done. |
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Eric Canha, Photographer
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Brockton | MA | United States | Posted: 7:17 PM on 07.01.09 |
->> You're welcome Michael. I got the idea at an estate sale. This thing was velvet lined, with a secondary locked (keyed) area for ammo or maybe items that the owner would want to keep away from a trusted person who had the combination to the main safe. A 2 pound desiccant sack will absorb any trapped moisture.
One piece of advice as a former firefighter... If you get a safe (gun or otherwise) PLEASE don't put it in a bedroom closet or on an upper floor that is wood framed if it weighs more than a couple hundred pounds.... In a fire the floor could be burning from the room below. A fire weakened floor can give way and let the safe fall through killing a firefighter. |
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Alan S. Rubin, Photographer
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Charleston | SC | USA | Posted: 6:38 AM on 07.02.09 |
| ->> Thanks, Just signed up also.... |
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