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Canon D4 August 25th?
Will Powers, Photographer
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Denver | CO | USA | Posted: 12:37 PM on 06.29.09 |
| ->> The website "Canon Rumors" is suggesting a new Canon professional cameras are coming Aug. 25th. Save your pennies boys and girls. |
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Eric Francis, Photographer
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Omaha | NE | United States | Posted: 1:57 PM on 06.29.09 |
| ->> Assuming this is not just anothersilly rumor, at best I think we could be looking forward to an "announcement". |
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Darren Whitley, Photographer
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Maryville | MO | USA | Posted: 5:35 PM on 06.29.09 |
| ->> While it's possible, let's not speculate. |
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Kevin Leas, Photographer, Assistant
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Rochester | NY | USA | Posted: 5:41 PM on 06.29.09 |
| ->> And until the website "Canon" announces it, let me chime in with a resounding...meh. |
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Daniel Malmberg, Photographer
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Huskvarna | Sweden | Sweden | Posted: 5:48 PM on 06.29.09 |
->> Eric.
I like to know on what you base your statement:
"at best I think we could be looking forward to an "announcement""?
Even though it just is a rumor (and we can of course not know for shore), i do see facts that make these rumors a bit trustworthy.
In august it's two years since Nikon announced D3.
Since then Canon lost quite many professional photographers.
(Here in Sweden both the biggest agency Scanpix and the #1 agency in sports-photo - Bildbyrån has switched to Nikon).
If Canon doesn't announce/release a new body in the 1D-series soon, the will for shore continue to lose photographers to Nikon.
Therefore i see it as that Canon is forced to at least announce a new 1D-series body really soon. |
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Will Powers, Photographer
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Denver | CO | USA | Posted: 6:29 PM on 06.29.09 |
| ->> We speculate about other things, why not this? As we get closer to an official announcement there will be lots of speculation. I'm reporting the rumor, not the camera. I'm looking forward to the camera and hope Canon overcomes the plight it has made for itself with the III. I'm stoked!! |
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Tyson Hofsommer, Photographer
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Kansas City | KS | USA | Posted: 6:39 PM on 06.29.09 |
| ->> About time! I think the official announcement will be surfacing soon. 12 fps?! |
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
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Princeton | IN | USA | Posted: 11:48 AM on 06.30.09 |
| ->> There is nothing wrong with speculating. They do it everyday on Wall Street. |
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N. Scott Trimble, Photographer
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Lake Oswego | OR | USA | Posted: 12:06 PM on 06.30.09 |
->> I think the problem is, especially on other photo sites, rumors run abound, you get worked up, and then perhaps the camera company comes up with a point and shoot announcement. Some photographers in the past ( I remember the dawning digital camera explosion in early 2000's) even affected their finances waiting and following a rumor. So, these days, when a rumor comes up, its met with strong and deserved derision.
Also, knowing Canon and even Nikon, I couldn't expect an actual camera on August, just the announcement, which would mean if production goes okay, a camera hitting stores by Black Friday! |
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N. Scott Trimble, Photographer
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Lake Oswego | OR | USA | Posted: 12:31 PM on 06.30.09 |
->> So, now that we are speculating, what should the D4 have? Note: this is just fun:
I've been pretty top on my predictions so far, although the 5D Mk II caught me unawares with the HD video and was 4MP higher than I expected.
D4
FF or 1.3 crop? hard to say, but, if they went thenNikon route and offered a built in cropping to that effect, that would be cool.
MP-18MP-21 would be a logical step. Can't see a point for lower or higher in this body.
ISO-same as the 5D, maybe a sweeter, ISO 25 too? NAH...maybe for the Mrk IVs
Frame rate. 12FPS
Buffer-40 plus in RAW
double CF card instead of the other card.
Video? I don't know. I hear lots of pros stating fears of being barred from events if video is in the camera, would we have to negotiate video rights with venues? I don't honestly know how big the worry about that is, but it is an interesting issue to consider. I would say, go for it since it is the future anyway, if so, then I would love for the full HD with some FPS ramping ability!
Most likely though...about the same as the 5D
Focus-hopefully, a separate CPU dedicated to just focusing in mixed contrast and low light.
Built in GPS and wifi? I think this would be cool to have the guts already in the camera, and maybe have a flashcard or such top it off with 3G capability you get from your provider. (this is my wish list now)
And for my own personal craving, a bluetooth monacle that transmits LiveView to the attached monacle as you hold the camera in positions you can see from or even if on remote, albeit up to 25ft away. wouldn't that be cool? |
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Scott Fong, Student/Intern
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Pacifica | CA | USA | Posted: 12:46 PM on 06.30.09 |
| ->> I'd honestly be happy if the MkIV were my old 1d Mk II with my 5D Mk II's processor in it... seriously... 8fps, 8mp and good AF are plenty; give me better ISO and I'll be a happy camper. |
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Michael McNamara, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Phoenix | AZ | USA | Posted: 12:53 PM on 06.30.09 |
| ->> If this is a new 1D series camera, I wouldn't get my hopes up by looking at (real or imagined) specs alone. Remember the Mk2? It was soft, and wasn't corrected until the Mk2n. The Mk3 was soft and wasn't corrected until...... |
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Max Waugh, Photographer
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Bothell | WA | USA | Posted: 1:17 PM on 06.30.09 |
| ->> All I ask for is reliable AF and decent quality at high ISO. The latter is the main reason I'd like to upgrade from my existing bodies, and the former is what's causing me to hold my breath. |
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Jeff Brehm, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Charlotte | NC | USA | Posted: 2:56 PM on 06.30.09 |
| ->> At this point, I'd settle for an adapter that lets me use my Canon lenses with a D3. That would be far more useful than waiting 3-4 years after the release of a Mark IV to find out the autofocus really doesn't work. |
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Eric Francis, Photographer
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Omaha | NE | United States | Posted: 3:59 PM on 06.30.09 |
->> "Therefore i see it as that Canon is forced to at least announce a new 1D-series body really soon"
Daniel, isn't that what I said? |
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Jeff Martin, Photographer
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wellington | OH | usa | Posted: 8:05 PM on 06.30.09 |
->> "> There is nothing wrong with speculating. They do it everyday on Wall Street."
Yeah. That worked out well. |
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David Eulitt, Photographer
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Kansas City | MO | USA | Posted: 11:46 PM on 06.30.09 |
| ->> Any rumors about when the "N" version might be coming out?? |
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Byron Hetzler, Photographer
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Granby | CO | USA | Posted: 10:47 AM on 07.01.09 |
| ->> @David, first look for the 1D MkIV firmware update to be released sometime in the fall and then maybe some pre-production versions of the "N" version in the hands of a few select photographers in time for the start of the Winter Olympics. ;) |
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David Eulitt, Photographer
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Kansas City | MO | USA | Posted: 10:28 PM on 07.01.09 |
| ->> Hilarious, Byron...but sadly true. |
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Jay Adeff, Photographer
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Salinas | CA | USA | Posted: 11:27 PM on 07.01.09 |
| ->> Winter Olympics coming up... no big surprise Canon would release a MkIII replacement in time for the games. Unfortunately for Canon, all those who switched to Nikon are not going to switch back. People switch when their brand can no longer deliver the goods. A decent MkIII replacement will never dimish the fact that the Nikon D3 is still a phenomenal camera. The MkIII, unfortunately, was a disaster to many working professionals. |
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
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Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 11:33 PM on 07.01.09 |
->> As with any rumor: Belive it when you see it.
'Nuff said! |
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Daniel Malmberg, Photographer
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Eric Francis, Photographer
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Omaha | NE | United States | Posted: 12:14 PM on 08.26.09 |
| ->> hmmmmm, lloks like we'll be getting that "announcement" |
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Alan Herzberg, Photographer
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Elm Grove | WI | USA | Posted: 1:03 PM on 08.26.09 |
->> The announcement says:
"The big question is whether the camera may småbildssensor or APS-C?"
Sure, that's one of the big questions. The other is, what is småbildssensor? |
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Alan Herzberg, Photographer
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Elm Grove | WI | USA | Posted: 1:04 PM on 08.26.09 |
| ->> Disregard the last post- I figured it out (full frame) |
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Mike Anzaldi, Photographer
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Oak Park | IL | USA | Posted: 2:40 PM on 08.26.09 |
| ->> this link shows a possible replacement for the 50D, not the 1, right? |
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Max Waugh, Photographer
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Bothell | WA | USA | Posted: 3:41 PM on 08.26.09 |
| ->> The rumors about the "7D" have pegged it as anything from a tweaked version of the 5D Mark II to the next generation in the xxD line. Guess we won't know until September 1, or whenever the actual announcement will be. I could've used a new body (with acceptable AF of course) by the start of football season, but it doesn't look like that will happen. |
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Baron Sekiya, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Keaau | HI | USA | Posted: 5:52 PM on 08.26.09 |
->> Seeing as how I don't have money burning a hole in my pocket I can wait for the official announcement.
Then get ready to see a ton of 1DMk3 bodies in the classifieds. |
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Robert Scheer, Photographer
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Indianapolis | IN | USA | Posted: 9:28 PM on 08.26.09 |
| ->> Not that I'll ever see one, but I'd love the Mk IV to have decent audio. Two channels, manually controllable, and can hook up to standard XLR plugs. Also, 24p AND 30i would be nice! |
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Daniel Malmberg, Photographer
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Huskvarna | Sweden | Sweden | Posted: 8:37 AM on 08.27.09 |
->> It seems most probably that it is a new body with the name of 7D that will be announced at Tuesday.
The latest "rumor" is [CR3] which means that it comes from a source that is right 95% of the time.
"I don’t have EXACT specs, but I do have some features.
Canon EOS 7D
- Dual DIGIC 4
- Built in Flash Master (Goodbye ST-E2)
- Full HD Video
- APS-C (1.6 Crop)
- Non Articulating LCD"
http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/08/upcoming-releases-cr3/
http://www.canonrumorsforum.com/index.php?topic=103.0 |
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Philip Johnson, Photographer
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Garland | TX | USA | Posted: 9:34 AM on 08.27.09 |
| ->> If those features you listed are correct then the naming convention makes no sense. It should be the 60D. I wonder what Canon's marketing scheme is for this. Maybe there just treying to make it more confusing for the buying public. |
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Jeff Brehm, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Charlotte | NC | USA | Posted: 3:06 PM on 08.27.09 |
| ->> This might be trying to connect the wrong dots, but in looking at prices of used Mark IIIs this week, I was surprised by how low they are now. Some in near mint condition with all the recent fixes were selling as low as $2,000. This is not what I would have expected, espeially just as we're heading into a new fall sports season. I wonder if it's because of all the AF and QC issues or anticipation of a new replacement model? |
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Alan Look, Photographer
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Bloomington | IL | United States | Posted: 5:24 PM on 08.27.09 |
->> Robert S - "I'd love the Mk IV to have decent audio" I heard that a lot when I worked for a Lincoln dealer :)
Jeff, that $2000 price is interesting. I saw some used IIN's this morning online for a bit more than that. Maybe that shouldn't surprise me. |
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Stew Milne, Photographer
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Providence | RI | USA | Posted: 10:28 AM on 09.29.09 |
| ->> OK. It's the 29th. What did Canon announce? Pretty sure it isn't a Mark IV, as other rumors on sightings of "stealth" Mark IV bodies in Mark III housings are still flying today. |
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Will Powers, Photographer
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Denver | CO | USA | Posted: 12:40 PM on 09.29.09 |
| ->> Well, the rumor wasn't true for an announcement, but the talk on CanonRumors.com is that it is forthcoming. Thought it was interesting that Canon would not be attending PMA in 2010. |
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Anthony Phelps, Photographer
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Wellington | Wellington | New Zealand | Posted: 8:24 PM on 09.29.09 |
->> Well it was true, kind of...Canon Sweden did have their announcement but it was for some high end business equipment....http://advance2009.net/over.php
Later in the year for the Mk4 |
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Max Waugh, Photographer
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Bothell | WA | USA | Posted: 12:23 AM on 10.13.09 |
->> The latest rumors from a "more reliable" source indicate the next camera announcement is coming October 20:
"It looks certain that Canon will introduce a new camera on Tuesday Oct. 20th. Most likely it will be the 1D Mk IV, with very high ISO. Probably as high as ISO 102,400."
http://www.canonrumors.com/
Take it FWIW. |
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Philip Johnson, Photographer
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Garland | TX | USA | Posted: 12:43 AM on 10.13.09 |
| ->> Well, B&H has a mail in Canon rebate of $700 on both the 1DIII & 1DsIII. That brings the price of the 1DIII down to $3,000. |
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Matthew Sauk, Photographer
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Sandy | UT | United States | Posted: 1:02 AM on 10.13.09 |
->> damn, 102,400 ISO?!? WTF...
How do you go from offering 6400 ISO in the Mark III to offering 102,400 ISO?
Also will you be able to use all of the in betweens?
I have not read but what kind of advancements were made in the time the Mark III was released to this Mark IV to allow that HUGE ISO?
Just crazy |
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Patrick Fallon, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Columbia | MO | USA | Posted: 1:24 AM on 10.13.09 |
| ->> Please let this be full frame. PLEASE. |
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Kent Nishimura, Student/Intern
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Honolulu | HI | USA | Posted: 5:24 AM on 10.13.09 |
| ->> @patrick +1 to that brother! |
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Steve Ueckert, Photographer
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Houston | TX | | Posted: 7:59 AM on 10.13.09 |
->> As per the rumor site:
"It’s coming (1D Mark 4)
"It looks certain that Canon will introduce a new camera on Tuesday Oct. 20th. Most likely it will be the 1D Mk IV, with very high ISO. Probably as high as ISO 102,400. The camera will have an APS-H (1.3x Crop) sensor.
I have no information on resolution, fps or movie options yet.
....
"The last 1D?
"As speculated in the past, a couple of sources think this (1D Mark 4) is the end of the 1D line from Canon. We will be seeing only one EOS-1 body in the future. ....
"1Ds Mark 4 [CR2]
"Spring time frame for the next 1Ds. It will be 32mp."
Since Canon has traditionally labelled its FF flagship as a 1DS, I would expect this camera listed in the above rumor to have the 1.3x crop sensor. I would also expect there to eventually be a 1DS version as well. |
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Matthew Sauk, Photographer
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Sandy | UT | United States | Posted: 10:45 AM on 10.13.09 |
| ->> Keep it 1.3 crop, like it better. |
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Stew Milne, Photographer
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Providence | RI | USA | Posted: 10:46 AM on 10.13.09 |
| ->> I haven't used a D3 (nikon) in a few years, but I remember the ISO going up to the equivalent of 25,600 iso. So if Nikon could have that technology 2+ years ago, I don't see why Canon couldn't produce a camera that is capable of achieving 102,400 iso (that's just 2 stops better). |
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Mitch Stringer, Photographer
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Baltimore | MD | USA | Posted: 4:12 PM on 10.13.09 |
| ->> I thought they might do something before next weeks PDN Expo in NY. It would be a good place to receive all the questions that will come from attendees. Me included. Lets hope the AF system is actually working. |
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John Froschauer, Photographer
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Seattle area | WA | USA | Posted: 8:09 PM on 10.13.09 |
| ->> I'd love a fast full frame camera as well, I have a both the old and new 5D's and when it's not sports or other subjects that move fast, that's my favorite body because of the full frames. If it's enough MP's (like the 60 meg files from the 5D MII) a little cropping gets you to the 1.3 crop. When you really need a wide view, just can't get get there without the full frame. |
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Michael Fischer, Photographer
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Spencer | Ia | USA | Posted: 10:32 PM on 10.13.09 |
| ->> If you read the specs on the D3s, it's also rumored to have a ISO somewhere in the Ozone layer. Noise reduction software must be a good form of job security.... |
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Dave Lintott, Photographer
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Wellington | Well | NZL | Posted: 3:50 AM on 10.14.09 |
| ->> I have had so much bad luck with 1D3's so hope mkIV is a massive improvement. while i read many rave reviews of mkIII performance online, here in NZ most pro owners i speak to who shoot news or sport have had problems with the hardware and i have had issues with af servo (on recent models) and using aperture priority (several diff bodies have mysteriously had sequences switch to 8000th sec and higher f-stop for no reason). The times I have used D3 I've been very jealous of it's specs and performance. my white glass stockpile demands i cross my fingers for mkIV tho. |
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Alex Witkowicz, Photographer
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Denver | Co | USA | Posted: 12:09 PM on 10.14.09 |
| ->> ISO 102,400 gives new meaning to "f/8 and be there." |
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