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"Hackintosh"
Debra L Rothenberg, Photographer
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New York | NY | USA | Posted: 3:33 PM on 06.24.09 |
| ->> since the Dell mini 9 is discontinued, what is your netbook of choice to make into a Hackintosh? |
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Jason Brown, Photographer
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Houston | TX | USA | Posted: 4:46 PM on 06.24.09 |
->> Keep in mind it is technically a violation of Apple's EULA to build a "hackintosh"... Will Apple likely care? Probably not. Is it smart not to advertise or leave a trail? Maybe. Just a thought :)
http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/MacOSX.htm |
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Matthew Sauk, Photographer
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Sandy | UT | United States | Posted: 5:29 PM on 06.24.09 |
| ->> I purchased Leopard and did a hackintosh with my computer. Love it and can't wait to upgrade to snow leopard |
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Nik Habicht, Photographer
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Levittown | PA | USA | Posted: 8:00 PM on 06.24.09 |
| ->> Dell mini 10? |
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Andrew Villa, Student/Intern, Assistant
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San Jose | CA | United States | Posted: 8:30 PM on 06.24.09 |
->> The dell mini 10v can be hackintoshed as far as the dells go. I have a mini 9 that runs wonderfully. Otherwise there are websites dedicated to hackintoshing. Keep in mind that it can be hard and can involve writing drivers etc. Also, don't rely on it as a machine to use every day, really they are just something fun to have around. I do use mine to transmit photos and when traveling quite a bit.
http://www.hackint0sh.org/
http://www.osx86project.org/
those are the two main websites I cruise when researching stuff.
Anyways,
Have fun! |
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PJ Heller, Photographer
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Santa Barbara | CA | USA | Posted: 8:37 PM on 06.24.09 |
->> I thought one of these would be cool to have . . . you can still find the Dell Mini 9 for sale in lots of places, some with the Hackintosh already done.
But like Andrew said — and what made me decide against getting one – were all the comments by people who had them but didn’t find them very useful . . . they were more like toys to have around. Among the complaints was the tiny keyboard.
YMMV, I’m just passing along my thoughts. |
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Andrew Villa, Student/Intern, Assistant
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San Jose | CA | United States | Posted: 8:39 PM on 06.24.09 |
->> PJ,
The mini can take some time to get used too. But the 10v really is where its at now. The keyboard is a tad bigger and way easier to type on, I may sell my mini 9 and grab a 10v soon. |
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Debra L Rothenberg, Photographer
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Debra L Rothenberg, Photographer
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Debra L Rothenberg, Photographer
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New York | NY | USA | Posted: 11:15 PM on 06.25.09 |
| ->> anyone? |
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Jeff Fusco, Photographer
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Philadelphia | PA | USA | Posted: 11:40 PM on 06.25.09 |
->> Deb
Thanx for the link. I had bought the Asus mini with the 8.9 screen and I had to sell it . I just could not use the keyboard and the 16:8 ratio was just a pain. So I went back to my trusty G4. but now this seems better , 10 inch screen, 16:9 ratio, bigger keyboard.
I emailed them regarding what I would have to do if I had to do re-install of Mac OS X if needed. I understand its not that complicated, but there is a certain way it must be done. I'll let you know what they say. |
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Debra L Rothenberg, Photographer
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New York | NY | USA | Posted: 1:35 AM on 06.26.09 |
| ->> thanks Jeff |
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Ben Liu, Photographer
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Bay Area | CA | USA | Posted: 8:16 PM on 06.26.09 |
->> Jeff: Please keep me posted too.
I'm interested in having both a Mac OS and XP run on a netbook... not at the same time, boot up in one or the other. Can someone explain to me how that is done? Thanks. |
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Jim Metzendorf, Photographer, Assistant
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Columbus | OH | United States | Posted: 9:28 PM on 06.26.09 |
->> Hi Deb,
Unless you are really familiar and comfortable with tweaking Macs (and PC's) if needed, I would steer clear of trying to get a Hackintosh. The biggest downside is that virtually all of them do not support updating the OS without jumping through a bunch of hoops, and you can run into various driver issues related to this. Particularly with Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard coming out soon, it's possible that many Hackintoshes will be at a software upgrade dead end unless that community is able to hack it as well.
I know they seem attractive based on the size and price, but I really think they are not a good solution for folks who are not really tech-minded when it comes to troubleshooting computers.
Andy Ihnatko, a well known technology columnist for the Chicago Sun Times, wrote about his experiences with Hackintoshing a Dell Mini 9 several months ago. He was very happy with it, but he felt that a good litmus test of whether or not a person should use a Hackintosh is if they can perform all of the necessary steps themselves to configure one properly. I'm paraphrasing, but his point was that if a person doesn't possess that level of tech-savviness, then using a Hackintosh would probably be too frustrating for them.
They are obviously larger and more expensive than a netbook, but I absolutely love the new 13" MacBook Pro. It is a "real" computer in terms of performance, and the size/weight are quite reasonable.
Best of luck,
-Jim |
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Jeff Fusco, Photographer
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Philadelphia | PA | USA | Posted: 11:37 PM on 06.26.09 |
->> I emailed Don and got this response the same night
All our systems are tested for all operating systems. However, if you would like the retail dvd, one would need to be purchased from me or another source.
All drivers are included, no extra drivers needed, and yes all updates are available to download.
He also called me and left a message. I will try yo call him on the weekend as he said I could.
That's some serious customer service.
I guess my questions are outlined by Jim. Is this going to be stable enough to use in the field. Not that I would be using it everyday as my "gotta have it now" business has dropped somewhat and been replaced by "tomorrows fine" business clients. I am curious on its reliability.
Granted my trust G4 laptop running 10.4 has been rock stable for years. I do not need 10.5 on it, so I have never upgraded.
But a laptop that fits in the bag and not a primary machine running OSX for $550 has tweeked my interest.
I'll post results of the call when I speak with him. |
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Larry W. Smith, Photographer
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Valley Center (Wichita) | KS | USA | Posted: 12:36 AM on 06.27.09 |
| ->> Deb and others you can still buy the Mini 9 off the Dell website with either a 8 or 16 gig SSD drive. I just bought one last week and am typing on it now. They are much cheaper than the 10. |
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Matthew Bush, Photographer
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Hattiesburg | MS | USA | Posted: 3:43 AM on 06.27.09 |
| ->> Jim. Mac on a Dell Mini 9 is pretty much kindergarden stuff. If you can follow instructions and have the right files which are a cake walk to get It can be up and running in less than 30 minutes... It is basicly just like installing any OS. Two jump drives and a disk to make a .dmg from and your well on you way. |
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Debra L Rothenberg, Photographer
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New York | NY | USA | Posted: 12:12 PM on 06.27.09 |
->> I wouldn't be using this as an everyday machine either.
but for what it's worth-The guys I know in NYC that "hacked" their minis and netbooks are using them everyday and I haven't heard one complaint. They are big guys too-with big hands and they seem to have adapted to the keyboard.
For those who are interested-do you think it is a better deal to buy one off the website I posted above-one that is complete, or go to the Dell site and buy the mini and do it yourself (for me, I would have a friends son do it since I have no clue).
Jeff-Don is from the website I posted, right? When you speak to him can you also ask him if he would load photoshop if the buyer were to send him the disc
Debbie |
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Debra L Rothenberg, Photographer
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New York | NY | USA | Posted: 12:14 PM on 06.27.09 |
| ->> I just went on the Dell site and it says the mini 9 in unavailable |
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Nathan Papes, Student/Intern
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Jeff Fusco, Photographer
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Philadelphia | PA | USA | Posted: 1:00 PM on 06.27.09 |
->> Yes its Don from the site you posted.
I just want PM to run without scrolling and PS as well. To be honest PS Elements worked fine on the Assus I had. I may go that route again.
The 10 inch screen seems more workable for me, that 8.9 was just to small. |
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Debra L Rothenberg, Photographer
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New York | NY | USA | Posted: 1:28 PM on 06.27.09 |
->> I have Photoshop 7 elements on my ASUS
I assume it won't work on the "Hackintosh" computer since it is for Windows, right?
All I have on the ASUS (that I would want on the Hack) are PS Elements and PM as well
I just went to the site and for some odd reason, the price is $100 more than it was 2 days ago |
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Rich Cruse, Photographer
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Laguna Niguel | CA | USA | Posted: 3:32 PM on 06.27.09 |
->> Deb: In my opinion, a MacBook Air is worth every penny and fits every bit of your needs except that is is physically a bigger machine. It is VERY lightweight and runs Mac OS natively. For that matter, it can run Windows natively as well in Boot Camp. It does not run the low powered Atom processor, but instead a Core 2 Duo processor and weighs 3lbs. The screen and keyboard are really nice as well.
My point is that if you want a reliable machine running the Mac OS, you should buy a Mac. If you really want a NetBook, then buy one and run whatever OS it comes with. You have mentioned you are not comfortable tinkering, so why put yourself in the middle of it with a hackintosh?
Windows isn't SO bad, it is more about viruses and such. Just be sure to have a good anti-virus program in place and you should be fine. There are rumors Apple may be coming out with a smaller NetBook type device, but it could end up being more like a giant iPod Touch.
If money is not the major factor in your decision, buy a MacBook Air and take it for a test run. You can return it for a restocking fee or you can sell it.
Rich |
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David Seelig, Photographer
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Hailey | ID | USA | Posted: 5:33 PM on 06.27.09 |
->> Hi Debra
Also look at the refurb form mac prices on the mac store. they ususally have the mac book air. Often great prices on the 3 month old variety of mac but they come with a 1 year warranty if you use the right amex card Amex will double the warranty . I got a 15 ich mac book pro unibody with the 512 video card for 1450 a week ago. It would have been 2500 bucks not long a go. |
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Andrew Villa, Student/Intern, Assistant
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San Jose | CA | United States | Posted: 9:46 PM on 06.27.09 |
->> I've said it once and I'll say it again. The mini 9 is a breeze to update and install osx on. BUT, like I have said and others have said, DO NOT rely on this machine. Hackintoshing as my good friend says, is a hobby, its something fun to do, but no person that hackintoshes machines relies on them solely. It's a fun thing to do and is starting to become a hobby of mine, in fact, next month I'm going to start a build of a mac pro like system.
Deb,
don't let people fool you, the install of osx is easy, putting a bigger SSD in is easy, more ram is easy. It really is like kindergarden. And if you have any questions through the process, feel free to email me, or post on the mydellmini forums, which I'll provide you with a link for. Everyone in the osx forum is extremely helpful and there are plenty of guides on how to do it. It took me about an hour and a half to complete it.
-Andrew
http://www.mydellmini.com |
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Rich Cruse, Photographer
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Laguna Niguel | CA | USA | Posted: 10:06 PM on 06.27.09 |
->> I don't think it would be in Deb's best interest to do the Hackintosh thing. If she has a problem, who is going to help her? Certainly not Dell or Apple!
If this is for work, buy the Dell and use it as-is with Windows or buy a Mac. The Hackintosh is a "hack" as the name implies.
It may indeed be a breeze to update the Mini 9 to OSX, but it will not be supported by Apple or by Dell. If I have a problem with my Mac, I can call AppleCare or go into the Apple Store and be up and running soon enough. Dell has its own support. Your machine will be a "Hackenstein"- neither a Mac or a PC. No one can help you except someone on a forum, that is not what I want for a business machine- an online forum.
Rich |
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Jeff Fusco, Photographer
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Philadelphia | PA | USA | Posted: 11:30 PM on 06.27.09 |
->> In the Apple Refurb store
Refurbished MacBook 2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo - Aluminum
13.3-inch 1280-by-800 pixel LED-backlit display
2GB memory
160GB hard drive
8x SuperDrive (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
Built-in iSight camera
Standard keyboard
$949.00
Save $150.00
13% off
Its $200 more
This is the 10V price with similiar specs with a 120 GB HD, 2G Ram, Bluetooth, Mac OS X, 6 cell battery
$740.98
PM needs 1024 x 768 to run full screen, the 10V runs the 10.1" LCD Display (1024x576)
That was a problem I had with the 8.9 screen, you had to scroll to use all the features and the scroll was not that reliable under windows.
So its smaller, $200 less..Its something to consider ......................but |
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Andrew Villa, Student/Intern, Assistant
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San Jose | CA | United States | Posted: 12:56 AM on 06.28.09 |
->> Rich,
I'm not saying she's going to have support, I'm telling her that it really is a breeze to work on. If she has a problem with the machine... take the stock drive slap it in and send it off to dell to get it fixed. It's not a huge deal. I've also made the point pretty clear that, it's not a machine to rely on. Rather something that can be used as a tool when needed.
People have made it pretty clear that a 13" notebook is too big, most aren't looking towards the air or regular macbooks not because of the weight, but rather the size.
either way Deb goes is fine with me. I'm just providing the information and telling her that it really isn't as big of a deal as building a hackintosh is. |
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Rich Cruse, Photographer
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Laguna Niguel | CA | USA | Posted: 1:29 AM on 06.28.09 |
->> Andrew:
Thank you for all the information. Windows is designed to run on many types of computers. Mac OS X is not.
I know A LOT about Macs and I would never consider doing this. The Mac OS is designed specifically for Mac hardware.
As Jason pointed out, there is a little thing about Apple's EULA. It licenses you to run the OS on Apple Computers and nothing else.
From the agreement in the box:
"2. Permitted License Uses and Restrictions
A. Single Use. This License allows you to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time. You agree not to install, use or run the Apple Software on any non-Apple-labeled computer or to enable others to do so."
Do not buy these computers and add OS X to them if you value copyrights.
Rich |
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Delane B. Rouse, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Washington | DC | US | Posted: 11:46 PM on 06.28.09 |
->> Let's be honest and keep it real here....Debra has as many (if not more) computer "problems" as Phil Hawkins and it's highly unlikely that she's gonna "take the stock drive slap it in send it off to dell to get it fixed" or anything else along that line. How many T-10/T-15 Reversible Screwdrivers do you think she owns?
This is not a shot at Debra (or Phil), but if read the threads it's fairly obvious that Rich's comment of "I don't think it would be in Deb's best interest to do the Hackintosh thing" is 100% accurate. |
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Debra L Rothenberg, Photographer
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New York | NY | USA | Posted: 11:57 PM on 06.28.09 |
->> people-I would not be Hacking this myself-a good friend's son is a computer guru-there is nothing he can't do.
So I am a computer dummy-big deal. If I get this machine and it goes down, I have others to fall back on. I have the Asus netbook which I love-I am just faster and more comfortable with a MAC. I also have a Mac laptop but if anyone here lives in a city where you do not always have the luxury of a car, an extra 2 pounds of gear is A LOT.
And Delane-sorry if you seem to think I have a lot of computer problems. My brand new Intel Mac died after a month-bet that could have happened to anyone. This is a site to post/ask questions-I would HARDLY classify my questions and "Problems." Other than the MAC dying a few months back-what "problems" do you see me having? Because, sir, I am missing this. To me, a QUESTION is not a PROBLEM and if anyone here thinks it is, sorry-you need to come back down to this planet. Again-this is a site to ask questions, get opinions, grow and learn. Some people think they know it all about everything....I do not.
It is also a real shame the amount of emails I get from people who are afraid to post here because of the way people perceive questions as problems and berate them. |
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Matthew Sauk, Photographer
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Sandy | UT | United States | Posted: 12:36 AM on 06.29.09 |
->> "It is also a real shame the amount of emails I get from people who are afraid to post here because of the way people perceive questions as problems and berate them."
I agree with you on this statement. |
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Rich Cruse, Photographer
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Laguna Niguel | CA | USA | Posted: 1:43 AM on 06.29.09 |
->> Deb:
I do not see your questions as problems. I like problem solving and I work with Macs a lot. I am happy to answer your questions. I do hope you will take my advice and steer clear of any kind of Mac-Hack machine. You are simply asking for trouble. I don't care if your friend's son is Bill Gates Jr.. He may be able to get you up and running, but I doubt he will be able to be there for you when (not if) things go wrong.
A MacBook Air weighs 3lbs. The Dell Mini 10 weighs 2.6lbs! I have lenses that weigh more than either of these! Maybe just a more accommodating and comfortable backpack is needed.
The other point I want to be clear about is that installing the Mac OS on anything other than a Mac is illegal. If you really want a Mini 10, get one- but do not hack it.
Besides the legal issues, I wouldn't do it because I know something would go wrong and I might not be able to figure it out in time. Your work machines need to do just that- "work". You have to have a back-up plan should your computer fail and fail they do. Hacked computers are by nature unreliable. This is why I recommend either the Dell with Windows or the MacBook Air with OS X. They are each designed to run their respective OSes and you can easily recover each of them and be up and running again.
BTW, a company called Psystar is being sued by Apple for marketing computers with the Mac OS pre-installed.
Best regards,
Rich |
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Delane B. Rouse, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Washington | DC | US | Posted: 1:49 PM on 06.29.09 |
->> Debra...you're right and I agree that this is a great place to ask questions. My usage of the word "problem" may have been wrong and "questions" may have been more appropriate.
I definitely didn't call you a computer dummy. Asking questions here is a great way to learn and it's too bad that anyone feels afraid to post on this fabulous message board. They are definitely missing out on a great resource.
Guys like Rich Cruse, Greg Ferguson, and Brian Jackson are AWESOME and should get paid for the amount of technical support they provide to the SS community.
Have Fun. Make Great Pictures.
Delane |
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Kevin Clifford, Photographer
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Reno | NV | United States | Posted: 2:31 PM on 06.29.09 |
| ->> It might be easier/better to buy the Macbook Air or white Macbook and dual boot Windows and OS X. You could also install Parallels and run Windows within OS X :D The netbook hackintosh is really cool and I have seen one before. But I would rather have both of best worlds on my laptop. Hope this helps. |
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