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Non SLR Pro Series Cameras and CCD vs CMOS
Angus Mordant, Student/Intern
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Sydney | NSW Australia | Australia | Posted: 11:00 PM on 06.09.09 |
->> Just chatting with a mate of mine at uni and he was wondering if there are any pro type cameras that don't rely on the workings of an SLR, the only one i could think of would be the Canon 1D Original with shutter speeds over 1/500 it wasn't a shutter but rather turning on and off the censor. Are there any others??
Also wondering wether CCD or CMOS records images faster?
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Michael Durisseau, Photographer, Assistant
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Santa Fe | TX | USA | Posted: 11:29 PM on 06.09.09 |
->> Mr. Mordant,
The 1D has a shutter...you could be referring to the fact that it will sync with a flash at 1/500...but it uses as CCD as you indicated (I may not have that right)... |
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Jeff Mills, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Columbus | OH | USA | Posted: 11:48 PM on 06.09.09 |
->> There are some scanning backs for large format 4x5" and 8x10" view camera's that work via a series of three passes, one scan for each color. Very slow but until the recent introduction of 50+ meg chips in gear lke the PhaseOne MF systems, it was the only game it town if you wanted that type of resolution.
Really though "pro" is a vauge term. There are plenty of working professionals using a wide range of equipment such as the Panasonic LX3 or Canon G10. They aren't SLR's but they can deliver professional images. |
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Angus Mordant, Student/Intern
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Sydney | NSW Australia | Australia | Posted: 12:23 AM on 06.10.09 |
->> By pro i meant pro built etc like the 1D type build etc.
Michael,
I know that the 1D has a shutter and CCD i was simply under the impression that for its faster shutter speeds it didn't actually use the shutter but rather simply turned the sensor on and off. |
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Brooks Canaday, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Brookline | MA | USA | Posted: 9:51 AM on 06.10.09 |
->> The 1D's physical shutter only goes up to 1/250- above that, the sensor does the timing, which allows it to do the 1/500+ sync speeds and 1/16,000 max shutter speed.
Up until the D2X, Nikons used CCD's in their bodies, but CCD-based bodies like the D1's, D70's, and D200 relied on the physical shutter to time exposure, just like CMOS bodies.
It's not easy to compare the recording speed of the 1D to that of newer CMOS-based cameras like the 1D Mark III. The 1D used a CCD that dumped information to both sides of the sensor in order to get the 8fps. This is why you can see a defined line down the middle of the frame in particularly underexposed images.
CCDs output analog voltage, while CMOS sensors put out bits. Many sources say CMOS sensors can be a bit faster, but CCDs are up there in speed as well.
So it's pretty much just the 1D that has the pro-build and electronic exposure timing.
Correct me on any of this if I'm wrong. |
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Curtis Clegg, Photographer
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Jeff Mills, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Columbus | OH | USA | Posted: 10:15 AM on 06.10.09 |
->> Curtis, the G1 does not use a mirror as its got an EVF but it does have a mechanical shutter still.
Something of a shame as I really was looking for a tool with zero shutter noise for golf and other events where silence is important. Its a pretty quiet shutter compared to some pro DSLR's but it still does make a sound. |
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Angus Mordant, Student/Intern
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Sydney | NSW Australia | Australia | Posted: 10:20 AM on 06.10.09 |
| ->> Thanks guys, Also after a small list of any pro grade (IE: Just great cameras) that are not SLRs that are used by professionals. Not a detailed list just need to help my uni room mate with a list. |
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Jeff Mills, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Columbus | OH | USA | Posted: 11:07 AM on 06.10.09 |
->> Panasonic LX3, Canon G9 and G10, Ricoh GX100 and 200 would all be on the list as they all offer full manual controls and even shoot RAW
Personally I'm loving my Panasonic ZS3, known to the rest of the world as the TZ7. Doesn't shoot RAW or have manual control, but its easy to fit in a pocket yet has a 25-300mm zoom range and shoots HD video with the ability to AF and ZOOM while shooting.
Its proved one heck of a professional tool so far as I've always had it with me and I can get shots/video on the fly I'd normally need to run back to the car get longer glass for. Helping you get the shot is what really makes a tool "professional" |
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
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Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 11:23 PM on 06.10.09 |
| ->> Brooks, the Nikon CCD cameras also had electronic shutters that worked in conjunction with the mechanical shutter. That allowed the D70 to have 1/500 flash sync and the D1-series to have virtually unlimited flash sync (although it was "officially" 1/500, in practice you could go much higher). |
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