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Does alcohol affect gender preference?
Jamie Roper, Photographer
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William Maner, Photographer
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Biloxi | MS | USA | Posted: 12:27 PM on 05.10.09 |
| ->> I was waiting for the tough looking guy with a milk mustache holding up a glass of Elsie's Finest... |
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Nick Morris, Photographer
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San Marcos | CA | United States | Posted: 12:50 PM on 05.10.09 |
| ->> No it doesn't! After lots of alcohol I still prefer women... sorry guys! |
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Alan Rogers, Photographer
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Hickory | NC | USA | Posted: 1:23 PM on 05.10.09 |
| ->> Jamie, I'm sorry your crap didn't get bannered. Maybe next time. |
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Nina Zhito, Photographer
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bay area | CA | | Posted: 1:54 PM on 05.10.09 |
->> i've wondered about special features things like this, too, and have come to the conclusion that some of these more bewildering articles are published (there's got to be a good reason) because of the explicit student orientation that is celebrated here.
appealing to youthful student photographers is good for the site's sponsor-advertisers. students need to buy new gear and, as newcomers to the field, don't have the long-established brand loyalties that an old crank like you or i might have.
but, by assuming that all students share beer-soaked values, other students may be offended. on the other hand, beer-soaked, established shooters may be entertained.
in any event, the real risk is in alienating or disappointing readers, by giving an A1 position to material that shows, at best, promise, instead of existing quality.
i share the o.p's dismay at some of the content that floats to the top, and wonder if readers might be able to rate articles, in the same way that our posts are rated.
if so, this special feature would earn a "huh?" ...maybe. but i might like it better after a beer or two. |
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Anthony Soufflé, Photographer
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St. Louis | MO | USA | Posted: 2:45 PM on 05.10.09 |
| ->> You know... maybe the story was bannered for its concept. That's not shooting down its execution, rather I'm say that Jenny had an idea and set out to accomplish it. She took a risk. As one of my friends and mentors always said, "I'll never think less of you for taking risks. I'll reserve that for when you play it safe." |
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Jared Dort, Photographer
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Yuma | AZ | usa | Posted: 3:12 PM on 05.10.09 |
| ->> Calling out the SS.com staff and a photographer on the board is the worst possible way to land a top-page feature. |
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David Manning, Photographer
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Athens | GA | | Posted: 3:13 PM on 05.10.09 |
->> I liked it.
I think its a simple way of illustrating an issue. It was well executed and works as far as I'm concerned. |
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Rich Cruse, Photographer
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Laguna Niguel | CA | USA | Posted: 3:24 PM on 05.10.09 |
| ->> Jared is right! |
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Nina Zhito, Photographer
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bay area | CA | | Posted: 3:43 PM on 05.10.09 |
->> jared, rich...
i'm sure you are not suggesting that thoughtful expressions of concern or of dissent on a community message board be stifled, for fear of retribution by leaders and the "powers that be", are you? |
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Aaron Rhoads, Photographer
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McComb | MS | USA | Posted: 3:45 PM on 05.10.09 |
->> Maybe the SS staff is tired of looking at the same old kinds photographs and the same handful of photographers to feature on top of the page.
It does give me an idea for a photo series.
Does toilet paper softness affect gender preference? |
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Rich Cruse, Photographer
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Laguna Niguel | CA | USA | Posted: 3:59 PM on 05.10.09 |
->> From the movie Arthur.
Susan's father says to Arthur, "I don't drink. Drinking affects decision making.". Arthur replies, "You may be right; I can't decide!" |
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Patrick Fallon, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Columbia | MO | USA | Posted: 4:46 PM on 05.10.09 |
->> How about instead of complaining about what is featured on the front page, conspiracy theories related to the decision making, and taking swings at the work photographers who are fortunate to be featured - everyone just goes out and shoots some cool photos to put up on their own?
The front page will change soon enough already, maybe your work will be among it! |
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Michael McNamara, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Phoenix | AZ | USA | Posted: 5:04 PM on 05.10.09 |
->> In 2007, Grover posted about how the featured update is selected.
http://www.sportsshooter.com/message_display.html?tid=27152#35
Since this is the second time I can recently remember that people have complained about what was chosen, I suggest you all read it. |
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Alan Herzberg, Photographer
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Elm Grove | WI | USA | Posted: 5:06 PM on 05.10.09 |
| ->> Good for Jenny! I hope the front page feature inspires her to keep shooting. I like what she did and I enjoyed seeing something different featured. |
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G.J. McCarthy, Photographer
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Dallas | TX | Lower 48 | Posted: 6:15 PM on 05.10.09 |
->> "There's a line in 'Othello' about a drinker: 'Now a sensible man, by and by a fool, and presently a beast.' That pretty well covers it."
http://tinyurl.com/cotmth
And Jamie, dude ... I mean, c'mon ... really? C'mon ...
- gerry - |
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Mike Last, Student/Intern, Photographer
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London | Ontario | Canada | Posted: 6:45 PM on 05.10.09 |
->> But really... 'Natural Light' is your beer of choice? C'mon.
-Pun intended. |
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Danny Gawlowski, Photographer
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Bellingham | WA | USA | Posted: 6:54 PM on 05.10.09 |
->> Obviously you all appreciate the work of the ss.com staff or else you wouldn't be here. They've done great work. Is this what you really want to be hyper-critical of? If you disagree with what the banner story is, maybe that should inspire you to go out, do great work and have it featured. Instead, you were inspired to complain about the selection and knock down the work of a fellow photographer? I don't see what you're trying to accomplish.
Jenny - it's been great to see your shooting style evolve since you've been at OU. Keep it up. |
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Jamie Roper, Photographer
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Portland | OR | United States | Posted: 7:21 PM on 05.10.09 |
->> I hope we're not at a point where calling something "crap" makes the critic a whiner/complainer/unamerican socialist, right?
Even as i type this, i'm uncertain what irks me about this gallery. As i wrote to the photographer herself, it isn't the technical quality of the images that i don't like, it's the utter banality of the idea. And she knows as well as i do that thinking people can disagree on what constitutes "banal". (Much to her credit, her thick-skinned self asked me for a more thorough critique than my brusque "crap" comment.)
But i'm not even sure that's what bugs me about it, at least entirely (i'm sticking by my "crap" and "banal" comments, by the way). Was it the editorial choice? Well, maybe, but then i'm pretty sure that the people doing the choosing don't necessarily love everything that runs in the banner either. Perhaps to provoke the very dialogue we're having?
"I'll never think less of you for taking risks. I'll reserve that for when you play it safe."
Wise words, Anthony -- and as such, i'll continue to risk calling crap, crap. When i think it's crap. Which we can disagree on. Crap. |
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Kevin Leas, Photographer, Assistant
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Rochester | NY | USA | Posted: 7:42 PM on 05.10.09 |
| ->> Mike - well played. It's always refreshing to hear a new photo pun, and it's been a long time since I've heard one that wasn't beaten to death already. |
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Robert Longhitano, Photographer
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North Wales | PA | USA | Posted: 7:56 PM on 05.10.09 |
| ->> Lighten up, very original concept. Good thing some of you aren't magazine editors you would probably only publish photos of barns and lighthouses. |
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Jamie Roper, Photographer
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Portland | OR | United States | Posted: 8:01 PM on 05.10.09 |
->> (how about: I'd sooner shoot Natural Light than drink it)
(this is gonna devolve fast, huh?) |
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Kevin Martin, Photo Editor, Photographer
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Baton Rouge | LA | United States | Posted: 8:04 PM on 05.10.09 |
->> Jamie,
Perspective does wonders.
In Athens, where Ohio University is located, drinking is a hot topic. Athens is a very isolated mountain town that is loaded with bars. Yesterday there was a riot near campus at an event called Palmerfest. (See Andrew Spear's member page, he just updated) The event is named after the street it is held on. In fact, many streets have their own "fests". Ohio is also the home of one very wild Halloween street party.
Having taken the same class as Jenny, I can assure you that her study of gender and alcoholic preference is part of the scientific process assignment of the documentary photography class she is taking. It is very logical and interesting to see her study if you are familiar with Athens and the social culture of students and binge drinking.
So before you call something "crap" and can't articulate your thoughts, gain some perspective first and try reformulating your opinion. You're entitled to your opinion, but learn why someone did something before you blast it on a public forum.
-Kevin |
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Danny Gawlowski, Photographer
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Bellingham | WA | USA | Posted: 8:07 PM on 05.10.09 |
->> Jamie:
It's great that you have an opinion. You have to admit, though, that your initial post fell pretty short of a well-rounded critique.
Of course thinking people can disagree. But "thinking people" can put together a critique with a bit more substance that merely calling something crap.
Students benefit from critiques more than from opinions. |
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G.J. McCarthy, Photographer
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Dallas | TX | Lower 48 | Posted: 8:13 PM on 05.10.09 |
->> Hey, any Texas PJ alum out there -- anybody remember the title of that book J.B. Colson made us buy along with History of Photography? It was about learning how to critique/talk about art. He actually brought the author in to talk to us the year I took his class (2002). The highlight of his lecture was him yelling "Let me grab that tit!!" at the top of his lungs (he was discussing a classic painting) right as a female student walked by the open lecture hall door. Ya ... one of those, you had to be there deals. Anyway, I digress.
The book. It was required reading. Like, we basically had to pore over it before even discussing photos in class. It was J.B.'s way of telling us that we didn't know what we were talking about, and we certainly had no business critiquing art till we knew how to do it. Lesson learned on my end.
Jamie -- I do not dispute your right to say what you want about a photo, a series, or the choices people make on any website out there. Freedom of expression -- welcome to America. No, what I question is the merit of doing it rather crassly and in such a public forum. I mean, what does it accomplish? You and all the other people who didn't like this particular Special Feature (or past ones) can all gather around and have a little WTF time? I guess I fail to see the point.
Moreover ... "crap" ... "banality" ... amusing choice of words, but I don't think it rises to the level of a decent critique. It sounds like bitching, to be honest, and anybody can do that, self included. It doesn't say anything about you as a consumer or purveyor of art.
So, I'll pony up my thoughts, while we're all doing it. Jenny -- interesting idea for a project. Kudos for fleshing out the concept and seeing it through. I think the execution is a little off. The whole, mugging for the camera deal and overall goofiness is a bit much. Think of it as saccharin that this series probably could have done without. Sure, it adds some humor, but it makes it a little more easy to be dismissive about the concept. Definitely something to avoid; you don't need to give viewers a reason to not take an idea seriously.
That's my take, though, and it will differ from everyone else's. You know what they say about people and a**holes, right??
So, congrats on the special feature. That's gotta feel pretty good, especially as a student. I believe it's as well-deserved as any of the other featured work I've seen on this site. Kudos.
Additionally, kudos for taking doc photography in a different direction. I like the whole scientific approach to it ... don't hate me later if I borrow the idea!
OK. Enough from me.
- gerry - |
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G.J. McCarthy, Photographer
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Dallas | TX | Lower 48 | Posted: 8:16 PM on 05.10.09 |
->> "Students benefit from critiques more than from opinions."
Really, really well said, DG. That Pacific Northwest water is doing wonders for ya!! ;-) |
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Thomas Meredith, Photographer, Assistant
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Austin | TX | | Posted: 8:20 PM on 05.10.09 |
->> Gerry,
not sure, you might be talking about
"Criticizing Photographs; An Introduction to Understanding Images"
Third Edition by Terry Barrett |
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G.J. McCarthy, Photographer
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Dallas | TX | Lower 48 | Posted: 8:21 PM on 05.10.09 |
->> T$ in with the three!!
thanks dude ... |
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Danny Gawlowski, Photographer
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Bellingham | WA | USA | Posted: 8:24 PM on 05.10.09 |
| ->> Right back at you, GJ. It must be that Texas sun. |
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Jamie Roper, Photographer
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Portland | OR | United States | Posted: 8:46 PM on 05.10.09 |
->> Kevin Martin-
Most college towns are drinking towns. If the thrust of this "scientific process" for a documentary photo class was to determine: "Boys drink beer, girls drink froo-froo (sp?) stuff", i still fail to see the merit.
This would be the most nominal use of the term "documentary" yet.
Danny Gawlowski:
"Students benefit from critiques more than from opinions."
Yup. Standing, corrected. |
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Joe Cavaretta, Photographer
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Ft Lauderdale | FL | USA | Posted: 9:04 PM on 05.10.09 |
| ->> my reaction was "this just shouts college student," and given who produced it and where, maybe that's not a bad thing. I don't remember who it was that ragged on the spring break pix but it seems like more of the same unwarranted nitpicking. Man, it sucks to get old! |
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Brian Blanco, Photographer
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Tampa / Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 10:04 PM on 05.10.09 |
| ->> What's annoying me the most about this thread is the fact that some people have fallen under the false impression that Jenny, an experienced professional, needs all of these unsolicited opinions. Don't let the fact that she's currently a grad student fool you. Jenny has years of experience in the field as a full-time, working professional photojournalist. Jenny doesn't need to prove herself to me or anyone else. She's a professional, and everybody she's ever worked with respects her and her work. |
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David Manning, Photographer
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Athens | GA | | Posted: 10:07 PM on 05.10.09 |
->> I'll second what Brian is saying.
Jenny worked at a cross-town paper while i was in florida. She's a very good photojournalist and works very hard at what she does. |
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor
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San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 10:33 PM on 05.10.09 |
->> Journalism isn't always about improving the public good. Sometimes it's just entertainment. I was actually curious if my pre-conceived notions were supported by a statistically significant study. Unfortunately, all I got were a too-small number of illustrations.
--Mark |
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Karl Stolleis, Photo Editor, Photographer
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Philadelphia | PA | | Posted: 10:45 PM on 05.10.09 |
->> I have to agree with Mark L. on this one. I think the images are interesting but given the premise of the "study" I can honestly say (and living with someone who has a masters in biology) that the images do nothing to prove or disprove the theory. Was this a random sample, in statistical sense, yada yada.
I think this begs the question - can photographs alone prove or disprove a theory like this, as it was posed?
Having said that - the pictures were fine. Do they support the "study" that was undertaken and does a "study" like this really have any real world importance. If not... appreciate them for what they are.
(now having said that - threads like this are stunning examples of why most folks dont bother to participate - the end up being sniping contests between the same few folks) |
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Katie Derksen, Photographer
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Milwaukee | WI | United States | Posted: 11:25 PM on 05.10.09 |
->> Disclaimer: Jenny Cecil and I have probably consumed every alcoholic beverage shown in these photos together at some point in time. We're BFF's, as the kids say. And I'm sure she was happy as a clam to see the girl with the orange drink in the featured spot ... Jenny Cecil loves orange, for real.
Jamie: "Thick-skinned" is not the word. Nor is "crap." Nor is "student." This thread did everything BUT set the girl back. She has far more confidence in her own opinions than those of others. Trust me. It's often wise to know who you're attacking before you speak your mind in a public, professional forum. I cannot tell from your member page whether photojournalism is your passion, but truth be told, Jen bleeds photo-j from her ears. Your name will not be easily forgotten by her, or any of the 2 gazillion people she knows in the industry.
Of course I, along with everyone else who knows her, can see this feature is not her strongest work. She'd tell you that herself if you had the courtesy to ask. But as has been stated numerous times above, it was most likely was chosen for the concept, the idea, the thought.
Do I blame you for speaking your mind? Not a bit. I can't tell you how many times Jen and I have called each other up and said, "Did you see the feature today? WTF?" But the conversation ends between two best friends. I only wish you had a friend in the industry like Jen to vent to, instead of setting yourself up for attack amongst your professional peers.
To anyone who remembers, Jenny's update previous to the one featured today (a story on a town called Union Ridge) was some of the best work I've seen her produce. She truly is evolving into an excellent documentary photographer. If you'd like to know Jenny's style, her ability, her passion ... please take the time to delve a bit more deeply into her work. |
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Dave Amorde, Photographer
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Lake Forest | CA | USA | Posted: 4:28 AM on 05.11.09 |
->> Since I didn't see a single bottle of Tangueray, Chivas, or Jose Cuervo, I can only conclude that the study was flawed. Where are the tequila shooters? the jello shots?
Cool idea though. I still don't understand what this thread is all about, but it's late and I've had one too many. If you want to know what I was drinking, ask Jenny. |
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Bill Ross, Photographer
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Colorado Springs | CO | USA | Posted: 12:16 PM on 05.11.09 |
->> I honestly like the concept. It's a fair question to ask.
There's just too much "FEATURE ENVY" in this thread. LOL... Get a grip people. |
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Vasha Hunt, Photographer
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Opelika | AL | USA | Posted: 1:01 PM on 05.11.09 |
->> It is really unproductive to dismissively criticize a fellow photographer's work and insult the forum we enjoy in the process - why not email her with questions about what her goals were or to ask her what she felt she achieved, since it didn't speak to you? You might gain some insight into how other photographers think out and/or approach assignments.
Her work had a unique quality to it (a scientific-styled study, an approach that had to overcome typical squeemishness about being photographed with achohol) that I think caught the eye of whomever was choosing the featured photog that day, and eye-catching, humanistic or visually explorative work is the kind of work that should be featured. The featured work should spark discussion, just not with a dismissive, disrespectful tone that this thread started with.
A much more interesting discussion could have come out of the fact that it did not appeal to a fellow artist, if the discussion had been one with questions that sought a common ground or a shared understanding. Such discussion might have inspired Jenny.
I liked the series, and thought that it would have been a really cool multimedia opportunity, featuring recordings of the discussions each subject had. I have often wondered what approach one could take going into bars/clubs with a camera that wouldn't finish with images that would later embarrass the subjects. This is a unique way to generate images in a drinks at the bar atmosphere, and get a slice of Americana circa 2009. Thanks Jenny for sharing your work, and thanks SportsShooter for highlighting it so I didn't miss it among other updates. |
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Jeffrey Furticella, Photo Editor, Photographer
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Charlotte | NC | US | Posted: 2:12 PM on 05.11.09 |
->> Someone earlier in the thread brought up the last "slam your fellow photographer" thread, so I went back and gave it another look and wanted to re-spin something from it: the thread title.
"Really?!? Have we sunk that low?"
At the time those words were chosen by the first poster to reflect the quality of the work, but I think those words can work now in a general sense to reflect the quality of some of the members of this site.
While our industry is in flux, companies are downsizing and closing, photographers are clinging on to marginalized jobs or are desperately searching for new ones, and the overall future of what we do and what many of us love is in jeopardy, we would rather sit on our asses and slam on someone's work that gets the special feature?
In a period of change when if nothing else, photographers should be extending whatever means they have to offer to their colleagues in the thought that maybe we can pull each other out of the quicksand, threads like this come up that publicly spit unsolicited disparaging remarks about another photographer's work, and in recent cases it's been directed toward the work of young, talented photographers; the ones that will still be around long after the dust has settled.
Like Katie I've known Jenny for a long time, we were college classmates, and while I probably drove her crazy over that period of a few years, I can honestly say there are few people that have a love for photojournalism like Jenny does. She cares a great deal about the integrity of the work she produces, and what she may lack in technical prowess she more than makes up with enthusiasm, a need to learn, and unwavering passion.
To address the goal of this thread, regardless of how I feel about the subject matter, the execution, or even the idea, it doesn't belong in a public forum like this. If I felt that strongly about it, I'd contact Jenny, and she'd roll her eyes and say "Furt, what do you know anyway?"
If you have that much time on your hands to start a thread about some pictures that are up and gone in a 24 hour period, save your time and go out and shoot something that will take its place, or even work up a well-crafted email to a photographer to engage them in a conversation about their work.
We're lucky to have this website where we can put up 10 pictures of whatever we want and those images can get promoted to a prominent display on the homepage for the day to be seen by countless people. If you don't like what's up there, wait a day, maybe you'll like what's up there the next day. It's not something worth getting hot and bothered about or starting a thread for.
Don't sink that low, you might not get pulled back up.
- furt |
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Nick Adams, Photographer
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Kathmandu | Nepal | Nepal | Posted: 2:41 PM on 05.11.09 |
->> Damnit Jamie, what in the hell are you thinking, calling out someones - less then great work out in public. Share those ideas with friends or your dog. I'm going to be with the one of the 2 gazillion people and if I ever need a photographer, I'm going to pass you up. I guess now is a great time to change your name to Ropie James and start work on a farm.
Everyone is taking this way way to personal...
The only person that might take this personal, from all accounts, is a strong person that will let it roll off her shoulders. |
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William Maner, Photographer
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Biloxi | MS | USA | Posted: 3:05 PM on 05.11.09 |
->> I'll weigh in so that I can get my number of "Huhs?" up..
As with any type of group, there's going to be a diverse range of opinions.. It's possible that most folks on this board have a different view of photography than "Joe Photographer"..
If ol' Joe Photographer does a Google search about sports photography and finds this site at the top of the list, he's going to think it's about sports photographer for newspapers and magazines.
I think he'd wonder what was up with the image of a college girl holding up a mixed drink... He was expecting baseball..not a sloe gin fizz.. Even after reading this thread, I'm sure ol' Joe Photographer is going to still be wondering what the deal is..
Having "babysat" a few photography classes as a graduate assistant in college many years ago, I'm well aware of how diverse "seeing" can be--especially on Monday mornings after a weekend of partying..
I think the confusion about Jenny's images is over purpose.. This is not the first time we've seen shots of people posing with drinks in bars. Are her images uniquely different?? Are they compelling images? As they say, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"..
Technically speaking, Jenny did a good job with her photos. I can see a collage image like the first or last one in her series being the lead photograph of an article about gender and drinking. It would make a good editorial image. I just can't see a publication using more than a couple of images..
I think it's good for the site to feature a variety of images, but I think a lot of people who are not members of this site are going to wonder about the non-sport aspect of the images. It's like the spring break pictures several weeks ago..
When I look at the browser history bar, I see that I'm visiting "SS Sports Photography and Photojournalism for Professional Photographers and Photography | SportsShooter.com"..
I'll close by saying I try to stay in the background. I've crossed paths with only five or six members here. I don't think the OP was blasting Jenny's skills as a photographer, but rather decision to feature the photos... I do agree with others that "crap" was not the best description to use. |
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Jeff Martin, Photographer
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wellington | OH | usa | Posted: 5:00 PM on 05.11.09 |
->> If I ran the site, I would pick what ever caught my fancy. Maybe occasionally something to stir up the members and generate some discussion.
That's assuming I ever got around to reviewing the recent updates. |
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Rich Cruse, Photographer
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Laguna Niguel | CA | USA | Posted: 6:37 PM on 05.11.09 |
->> I think what brings up these kinds of reactions is not so much the actual photos, but the subject matter. I must say the "Trash Cams" were interesting, but this place IS called SportsShooter.com and most people here shoot sports. They may also shoot spot news or whatever, but there are expectations to see Sports photos here.
There are some amazing photographers here and I look at most of the updates as well . I wish I could nominate some of them for the coveted Masthead. I do tend to send emails to photographers complimenting them when I enjoy the work in their updates and I encourage the rest of you to do the same.
I like to keep my page up to date, but frankly it is a pain to caption everything. I do it with the hope that one day, my page will find it's way to the top. Until then, I will update as regularly as time permits and enjoy the fine photography and interesting tips and conversation here on SS.
Please don't let this site go in the direction of MTV. Do they even play music videos on there anymore?!
Rich |
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Mark Peters, Photographer
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Highland | IL | USA | Posted: 7:19 PM on 05.11.09 |
->> William -
photo.net/learn/sports/overview is at the top of the google list, SS is 2nd....
We've spared Joe Photographer from any unnecessary confusion...for now.
It's a community of diverse talents and thoughts - I personally like it that way, and if non-members are confused by it's purpose, so be it. |
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Lennart Wiedemuth, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Ennepetal | NRW | Germany | Posted: 8:26 PM on 05.11.09 |
->> The only thing that bothers me is, that I dont see how alcohol affects gender preference by looking at these photos.
Neither do I know how to show that by using photographs. |
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Danny Gawlowski, Photographer
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Bellingham | WA | USA | Posted: 9:11 PM on 05.11.09 |
->> Please don't think that only sports photography should be featured on the masthead.
Many members here on Sportsshooter shoot more than a strict diet of sports. With the shape of the economy, many of us will need to diversify our work even more.
Even if you do only shoot sports, I'm sure you will benefit from seeing non-sports images. Will looking at pinhole images from discarded soda cans benefit your sports photography? You bet it will.
Sportsshooter is a great community for photographers. We all benefit from seeing the diverse work that our diverse colleagues produce. The masthead is a good way of encouraging us to view work we might have otherwise missed.
Check out the work that's featured, like it if you like it and learn from it even if you don't. |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 9:11 PM on 05.11.09 |
| ->> Geez, they're already history. Let's all move on. |
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Jack Howard, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Central Jersey | NJ | USA | Posted: 10:28 PM on 05.11.09 |
| ->> Man--today's lead photo has the heads cut off! I mean, come on! Don't you photographers know that "faces sell papers!" No wonder the news industry is in the toilet! |
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