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fotoQuote Pro 6 is out now! Get this immediately!
Brad Mangin, Photographer
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Pleasanton | CA | USA | Posted: 5:16 PM on 05.01.09 |
->> Hello everyone. I just upgraded to the new fotoQuote Pro 6 this afternoon and it is amazing!
I have been using fotoQuote since version 1 came out around 14-15 years ago and the newest version has so many new features it is awesome:
http://www.cradocfotosoftware.com/fotoQuote-Pro/index.html
There is much more here than just the pricing. Go. Get it. NOW!
If you are a photographer- or if you think you are one :-) you must have this software installed on your computer. No sob stories allowed. This thing will pay for itself many many many times over.
No excuses- no whining- just go and get this if you want to have any chance in succeeding in this nasty business. All of us need help- and this program offers more to help a freelance photographer than anything else I know. |
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Ronnie Montgomery, Photographer
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Houston | TX | USA | Posted: 7:09 PM on 05.01.09 |
| ->> It's too bad they don't offer a trial version. In my opinion the user interface for Pro 5 was abysmal. Although the video for Pro 6 looks promising in that area it would be nice to be able to try it out before upgrading. |
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Nick Morris, Photographer
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San Marcos | CA | United States | Posted: 8:00 PM on 05.01.09 |
| ->> +1 Ronnie Montgomery |
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Steve Boyle, Photographer
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Philadelphia | PA | USA | Posted: 8:14 PM on 05.01.09 |
| ->> It doesn't matter what the user interface is, nothing else offers this information. This program is industry standard. |
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Jim Colburn, Photo Editor, Photographer
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McAllen | TX | USA | Posted: 8:52 PM on 05.01.09 |
->> " It's too bad they don't offer a trial version."
Agreed. The last time I saw a working version it was clunky and, IMHO, not worth the $$$.
"It doesn't matter what the user interface is..."
The cries of a DOS 3.3 user ring out! |
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Derick Hingle, Photographer
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Hammond | LA | USA | Posted: 9:14 PM on 05.01.09 |
->> Brad,
Is the user interface better than the last version? I was thinking about upgrading to the new version but was looking for some recomendations from people. |
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Brad Mangin, Photographer
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Pleasanton | CA | USA | Posted: 12:15 AM on 05.02.09 |
->> Derick- the interface is fine- but as a freelance photographer who always needs help coming up with ballpark pricing help for licensing my images I could care less about the interface. It is all about the content for me.
It is all very simple- if you own your copyright and need some help in trying to figure out what your images are worth- then you NEED this program if you wish to survive in today's world.
If you currently have a staff job you might be losing that soon- so you will also need this program.
If you do not own your images or if you do not value your work that much then cool- stay away from it. You are only hurting yourself.
I have been freelancing as a sports photographer for the past 16 years. I have over 26,000 captioned and searchable images available to be licensed on my website (for editorial sales). I am about to have another 1,000 or so original chromes from the 1990's scanned into 50 meg tiffs to add to my archive. A piece of software like this is a Godsend.
You don't have to take my word for it- just look at your bottom line and see if it needs some help.
Good luck! |
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David A. Cantor, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Toledo | OH | USA | Posted: 12:48 AM on 05.02.09 |
->> Brad, the baseball photog, needs "ballpark pricing"
Heh-heh-heh............... |
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Eric Canha, Photographer
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Brockton | MA | United States | Posted: 11:21 AM on 05.02.09 |
| ->> Brad isn't your archive hosted on Photoshelter and aren't they already using fotoQuote? If you're looking for a price for a client why wouldn't you just go through the PS interface that you already have as part of your hosting? |
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Delane B. Rouse, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Washington | DC | US | Posted: 11:46 AM on 05.02.09 |
| ->> Does anyone know if the PhotoShelter archive receives the updated pricing info from this update? |
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Brad Mangin, Photographer
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Pleasanton | CA | USA | Posted: 12:46 PM on 05.02.09 |
->> Eric- yes my archive is hosted by the great folks at PhotoShelter and yes my archive has editorial prices for licensing images through fotoQuote- but I still use fotoQuote all the time. This amazing feature that is contained in my archive kick's ass- but it is only the beginning.
You see- fotoQuote has an invaluable "coach" that gives you background ideas in written form that teaches you how to negotiate and offers tips for you to determine how rare and valuable your image is. It also has many other features that go beying simple price quotes.
Like I said above- I have been using fotoQuote for almost 15 years and could not run my business without it. It is important for all of us to hold the line in pricing. If we all charged a fair price when we licensed our images then all the so called wire services would either not exist or they would be paying a guaranteed day rate against sales ($250 a day or so would be a good starting point.)
Too many of my newspaper friends are now unemployed and are way behind in learning about business. I fear all of them will sign bad deals and give their stuff away or work for free with the hopes of getting si.com to use one of their pictures of a guy swinging the bat which will net them $1.50.
My goal is for all of you to make LOTS OF MONEY. We are all in this to HELP YOU. I do not want any of you to go away. I want you to stand up and say:
"DAMMNIT! MY PICTURES A REALLY GOOD AND I WILL CHARGE A FAIR PRICE FOR MY WORK BECAUSE I AM TOO GOOD TO WORK FOR NOTHING."
Myself- I would rather sit home and watch Bobby Flay cook a chicken pot pie on TV than subsidize someone else's bad business model for the thrill of walking on the same grass that Stan Javier once walked on.
Buy fotoQuote and invest in yourself. If you do not believe in yourself as a photographer no one will.
I want you to succeed. I really do.
We all need to start believing in ourselves and standing up for what is right at one time in our professional lives. Make this the day some of you start.
Good luck. |
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Michael Clark, Photographer
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Santa Fe | NM | USA | Posted: 1:22 PM on 05.02.09 |
->> I would second Brad's recommendation for FotoQuote. It is a great program and offers much wisdom. For those of you out there that still want pricing help but don't want to pony up for FotoQuote I would suggest Jim Pickerell's book "Negotiating Stock Photo Prices." This is the other industry standard and I much prefer to look up prices in a book than having to always work with a piece of software. You can check the book out here:
http://www.jimpickerell.com/guide.asp
And you can also get it on Amazon. Just make sure you get the latest version. His pricing is in line with most rights managed major agencies out there like Getty, Corbis and Masterfile. In fact, Jim used to own and run a stock agency himself so he has real world experience backing up his numbers.
Aside from the pricing info in his book, it also happens to have the best information I have ever seen on how to negotiate usage rights for photographers - that alone is worth the price of the book. |
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Phil Hawkins, Photographer
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Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 1:33 PM on 05.02.09 |
->> "If you do not believe in yourself as a photographer no one will.
We all need to start believing in ourselves and standing up for what is right at one time in our professional lives. Make this the day some of you start."
Well put, Brad; I would add that as long as you're investing in yourselves, get John Harrington's book "Best Business Practices for Photographers". $20 at Amazon. This is the best $20 you will ever spend. EVER!! It will explain why you should not give away or low-ball your work, why turning down jobs will earn you more in the long run... It will completely turn your head around about how you think about this profession.
I turned down $800 to shoot a hotel recently when they said they needed 24 images, wanted copyright, and were going to use it in any and all marketing. I quoted off Fotoquote, $12,500 and they choked. Next, I dare say I have one of the most extensive image collections of basketball referees around, and REFEREE magazine called wanting me to send 50 images on disk so they "could have them on hand when they decided which ones they wanted to print". I politely told them no, and when I gave them a price they choked as well.
Then, a lady from NC called and wants a portrait of their family reunion on the Outer Banks; 20 some odd people... I gave them the quote including travel from Chapel Hill (I was going to be in town anyway so I didn't quote airfare), food, room, equipment rental, assistant, etc and they didn't blink. All from my website, and many thousands of dollars later.... You are circling the drain financially doing low-ball or, certainly, free work.
If you don't believe in yourself, or the value of your work and product, then I guarantee you, NO ONE WILL. |
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Eric Canha, Photographer
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Brockton | MA | United States | Posted: 6:52 PM on 05.02.09 |
| ->> Brad all good points. I didn't know about the coaching and absent a trial version, am willing to bet that many other photographers will never know either. Taking a leap on something that is a final sale is a scary thing, I really can't think of any professional piece of software that sells for hundreds of dollars that doesn't have a trial version. |
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Derick Hingle, Photographer
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Hammond | LA | USA | Posted: 7:50 PM on 05.02.09 |
->> I just downloaded the program, it has improved vastly from the previous version that was difficult to navigate. I am just getting a look at it, but I would agree, it is very helpful to anyone in the business.
I am curious why wire services almost give away web rights for a few dollars or less while print rights are similar to fotoquote rates in regards to how much an images sells for print magazines. Web rights according to fotoquote should not be looked at differently and in fact can cost more due to the audience viewing the photos being worldwide. |
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Jared Wickerham, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Pittsburgh | PA | U.S.A. | Posted: 8:57 PM on 05.02.09 |
->> Eric,
I think you should watch the demo video on their website. It didn't seem to work when I viewed it online so I downloaded it. But maybe that will make you more comfortable in making the purchase. |
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John Harrington, Photographer
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Washington | DC | USA | Posted: 12:25 PM on 05.03.09 |
->> I will tell you that the UI is better, but heck, even if it wasn't, the CONTENT is what is valuable, and you can get to it all. Frankly, I saw nothing wrong with the UI in the last version - all the information I need is accessible in just a few mouse clicks.
Additionally, anyone who sits down at Photoshop for the first time, or Quark or InDesign, will not understand the UI.
Buying the latest version, with updated figures, and additional categories, is really, truly, a no brainer. |
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Jeff Kowalsky, Photographer
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West Bloomfield | MI | United States | Posted: 1:34 PM on 05.03.09 |
| ->> Also if you are an ASMP member you can get an additional discount. Check out the link on the ASMP site. |
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Rich Cruse, Photographer
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Laguna Niguel | CA | USA | Posted: 3:52 PM on 05.03.09 |
->> Remember these pricing guides are for reference and are not absolute. You can get MORE for your photos in some cases, depending on the image. You may also get less than the book price.
If I have a question about a quote, I usually run it by one of my photo buddies. One of my friends was negotiating to have an image used on a cereal box. I looked at my references and he at his and he ended up getting about $2000 more than he was originally going to quote!
I never give an immediate quote over the phone or via email. I want to research the company and find out all the details first. Once you name a price you may be stuck with it. Add some wiggle room as well. People love to think they are getting a deal. 25% over what you are willing to take is a good place to start. If you come in way too high, they may go somewhere else. |
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Alicia Wagner Calzada, Photographer
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San Antonio | TX | USA | Posted: 7:39 PM on 05.03.09 |
->> Something else people need to remember is that when you offer a fair price based on fotoqoute or your own numbers, and it is rejected, relax. Move on to the next thing.
One of the hardest things to learn in business negotiating is being happy with rejection. There are people out there that will pay what you charge, and you will never find them if you don't ditch those who don't.
Also, if you are getting any higher than 1/3 of the bids you put out, you are in decent shape- remember that most people ask for 3 bids. You still have to be aware of you market, but photographers don't like rejection and tend to over-react. Don't be that guy (or gal).
make sense? |
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Kevin German, Photographer
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Ho Chi Minh City | Vietnam | | Posted: 8:04 AM on 05.04.09 |
| ->> Thanks for the reminder Brad. Just upgraded now and even picked up Keyword Harvester. Putting together a quote now for a hotel and their new quote packs are pretty sweet. Easiest money I have spent this week! |
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Chip Litherland, Photographer
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Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 8:53 AM on 05.04.09 |
->> Awesome...
It already paid for itself in less than 24 hours, helping me seal a gig I was needing some reference points in determining some unique usage fees for.
Thanks for the reminder Brad!
By the way...if you're a interested in saving some money - I found a random link that will cut the price down to $118.99 (nice coupon for pro Photoshelter users):
http://www.cradocfotosoftware.com/pro-discount/photoshelter.html
Chip |
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Mark Sutton, Photographer
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Herndon | VA | USA | Posted: 9:49 AM on 05.04.09 |
->> Thanks Brad,
I just purchased this and I have a question while I'm checking and setting this up. I just received an e-mail from an SID (client) who's budget is getting awfully thin and he couldn't afford me this past weekend at the track championships. His question was can he purchase a couple images from me of certain athletes who excelled. He will only use these images for the usual stuff (media guides, tickets, posters around campus...).
I downloaded fotoquote but in the short time I looked couldn't find anything that fit this description. For those who use this all the time can you please help while I'm trying to get out of rookie status with this program.
I've never sold individual images to an SID before.
Thanks!!! |
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Mark Sutton, Photographer
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Herndon | VA | USA | Posted: 9:50 AM on 05.04.09 |
->> Chip,
Thanks for the discount link too... |
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Ed Wolfstein, Photographer, Assistant
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Burlington | VT | USA | Posted: 12:13 PM on 05.04.09 |
->> BTW the upgrade price is only $65. - a REAL no brainer (as anyone using fotoQuote 5 will attest to). As mentioned, the Coaching and Useage Tips are worth the price of admission alone, and with its new and expanded categories ... wow! And if anyone is thinking video footage (stock or assignment) the new version goes there as well. How cool is that?
Cheers!
- Ed. |
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Derick Hingle, Photographer
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Hammond | LA | USA | Posted: 9:43 PM on 05.04.09 |
->> Mark,
The usage you described sounds like marketing, but I think a SID would choke at the rates quoted for that type of use. Check the corporate print options in fotoquote, that list posters, you may find something like tickets under the other tab, good luck. |
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N. Scott Trimble, Photographer
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Lake Oswego | OR | USA | Posted: 2:38 PM on 05.11.09 |
->> The ASMP price is only good if you are buying for the FIRST time. If you are upgrading, it's standard price.
I am getting it, but my bug in the bonnet is the fact that it doesn't connect to Fotobiz. You have to interlace back and forth, when it would be swell for it to work hand in hand like 5.0 did. I was poised to buy Fotobiz, and wanted to take advantage of an upgrade discount to get both, but the current package is useless to me, so I guess its Photobyte for a little while longer...and Fotoquote 6.0. |
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Melissa Wade, Photographer
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Boston | MA | USA | Posted: 4:48 PM on 08.31.09 |
->> I didn't worry about re-obtaining Fotoquote (previous version) after the computer it was on went kaput since it is integrated into Photoshelter, but I'm trying to figure out an estimate for use of stills in a documentary that will be sold as a DVD in addition to being broadcast. The broadcast license is available through the Photoshelter version of Fotoquote - is the DVD info included in the new version of Fotoquote?
Note - not asking/wanting anyone to give me the pricing info; just whether it is included in Fotoquote.
Thanks. |
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Derick Hingle, Photographer
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Hammond | LA | USA | Posted: 6:27 PM on 08.31.09 |
->> Melissa,
Yes digital media and film are in the new version of fotoquote, it also includes some video clip options for stock video. Photoshelter has not yet updated their fotoquote systems. I think it can be a valuable tool that pays for itself after your first licensed photo. |
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