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Photo Mechanic Ingest Re-Naming Question
Russ Isabella, Photographer
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Salt Lake City | UT | USA | Posted: 2:24 AM on 04.24.09 |
| ->> I shoot in both RAW and jpg with 1-series bodies. RAW files are written to the cf card; jpgs are written to the sd card. Upon ingest with Photo Mechanic, I maintain the original (camera designated) file names and ingest both file formats to the same folder. It is convenient and necessary for me to maintain the same file name (different extensions) for the RAW and jpg versions of each image. However, I also can see that it would be convenient for me to rename my files upon ingest, but when I've tried this, the RAW and jpg versions of each image receive different names, which completely destroys my workflow. Is it possible to re-name files upon ingest in a way that maintains the shared identities of the two different versions of each image? (So, instead of _DS_1425.cr2 and _DS1425.jpg, I want Soccer20090425.cr2 and Soccer20090425.jpg.) Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. |
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Rod Leland, Photographer, Student/Intern
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Lethbridge | AB | Canada | Posted: 5:39 AM on 04.24.09 |
->> Hey Russ,
That's a fairly complex question, but it makes perfect sense. I've never had trouble with JPG/RAW file renaming from the SAME card, but two cards is a different story.
Why not ingest one card with your sequence number starting at 0001, and then reset the sequence number for the other card. Should net you the same file names, No?
Example- CF card ingest:
soccer_20090435_{seqn} and reset the seqn number to 0001
Then keep the filename (soccer_20090435_) the same for the CF card, and just reset the seqn back to 0001 for the second ingest?
It works in my head.
If it doesn't work on your computer, Try the camera bits support forums here: http://tr.im/jAML - They're great helping their users.
-Rod |
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AJ Mast, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Indianapolis | IN | USA | Posted: 8:18 AM on 04.24.09 |
->> Couple of thoughts:
Ingest as you do now into one folder, then rename, thus keeping the names synced.
Put both on the same card in camera and rename during ingest.
I am curious as to why you are putting RAW and JPGs on different cards, if they end up in the same place in the end. |
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Adrian Gauthier, Photographer
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Mississauga | ON | Canada | Posted: 8:58 AM on 04.24.09 |
| ->> AJ, my guess would be, if one of the cards crashes, he at least has a JPG to work with, or a RAW, rather than losing both. |
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Robert Deutsch, Photographer
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NY | NY | USA | Posted: 10:12 AM on 04.24.09 |
->> Russ,
If you use rename in ingest as:
soccer20090422 {filenamebase:-4} you will get "soccer20090422 1234.jpg and soccer20090422 1234.cr42, with the 1234 being the last four numbers of the filename. ( I would use 4 rather than 3 in case you shoot more than 999 frames in one date. Or you could use soccer{datesort} {filenamebase:-4} to get the same thing without needing to put the date in. This should give you what you want. |
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Russ Isabella, Photographer
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Salt Lake City | UT | USA | Posted: 11:15 AM on 04.24.09 |
->> Thanks for the responses!
Rod: Your suggestion makes sense, but all it would take would be one glitch upon ingest--one file to be passed over or 'lost' in an ingest error--and everything would be thrown off.
AJ and Adrian: In my head, it makes sense to keep the RAW and jpg files separate, and this fits with the cards I have and the way I rotate them through my cameras. (Adrian's point is a good one as well.) I could try to re-name after ingest, but that opens the door to some confusion (multiple versions of the same file with different names) and (possibly) adds an unnecessary step to the workflow (maybe even two steps if I would ingest, re-name and then delete the original files to eliminate the aforementioned duplication/confusion).
Robert: Your suggestion seems the perfect solution. I'll have to give that a try. Thank you! |
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Scott Morgan, Photographer
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Rockford | IL | United States | Posted: 11:20 AM on 04.24.09 |
->> Russ,
You could try using the frame number tag {frame4} which will return the last four digits of the frame number. All you'd do to get your desired name is rename as Soccer2009{frame4} |
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Russ Isabella, Photographer
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Salt Lake City | UT | USA | Posted: 12:38 PM on 04.24.09 |
| ->> Thanks Scott. I'll try that as well. Won't know for sure until I give it a try, but it looks as though you and Robert have given me a couple of variations on a theme. Much obliged. |
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Russ Isabella, Photographer
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Salt Lake City | UT | USA | Posted: 1:03 PM on 04.24.09 |
->> Well, I've tried the above suggestions, as well as a number of other similar re-naming strategies (e.g., rename as: Test{fnm4}{seqn} where seqn=0001) and the results are consistently NOT as desired. What happens in every case is that the renaming process applies the number sequence differently to the RAW and jpg files, starting the sequence at 0001 for the RAW and 0100 for the jpg (or some equivalent). This results, of course, in different filenames for the RAW and jpg versions of the same photo (Test46520001.cr2 and Test46520100.jpg).
I can't help but feel I'm missing something obvious....
Might be time for the camera bits support forum, as Rod suggested. |
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Russ Isabella, Photographer
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Salt Lake City | UT | USA | Posted: 1:10 PM on 04.24.09 |
| ->> It appears the problem is the {seqn} variable. As long as I leave that out, this works as Robert (and Scott) suggested. So the numbers in the filename given by the camera at the time of capture will be maintained (rather than replacing these or adding to them with a new sequence). I can live with that. Thanks again! |
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Dominick Reuter, Photographer, Assistant
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Boston | MA | USA | Posted: 1:13 PM on 04.24.09 |
| ->> I believe Robert's method doesn't use seqn. Just use the Test{fnm4}, since the frame number should be unique out of the camera and the sequence is unnecessary. |
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Russ Isabella, Photographer
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Salt Lake City | UT | USA | Posted: 1:35 PM on 04.24.09 |
| ->> Dominick: Right. I hadn't realized that initially, but when I eventually decided to leave seqn out of the equation and it worked, I came back and saw that neither Robert nor Scott had suggested the seqn variable in the first place. Thanks. |
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Robert Deutsch, Photographer
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NY | NY | USA | Posted: 1:54 PM on 04.24.09 |
| ->> correct. avoid {seqn} for this... This will use the original filename to create the last 4 digits, so the jpg and cr2 will have same filename, except for the extensions. |
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Scott Morgan, Photographer
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Rockford | IL | United States | Posted: 8:48 PM on 04.24.09 |
->> Russ,
The one nice thing about using the {frame4} variable is that it doesn't change after you rename the file. The original frame number is always stored in the metadata, so if you need to go back to pictures you've already renamed, this should work. |
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