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Was anything done to this photo?
Michael Moriatis, Photographer
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Steven Mullensky, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Port Townsend | WA. | USA | Posted: 7:41 PM on 04.07.09 |
| ->> Looks a little sepia and the corners seem to have been burned. Why do you ask? |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 7:47 PM on 04.07.09 |
->> Michael, I,too, ask what and why? Aside from the obvious distortion
(pulling the poor woman's head out of shape) ..... |
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Sean D. Elliot, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Norwich | CT | USA | Posted: 7:58 PM on 04.07.09 |
| ->> Not much and certainly not enough worth freaking out over. Abuse of a wide-angle lens being the greatest offense. The corners could be vignetting from a lens hood or a DX lens on an FX camera ... the toning is a tad on the ... brown end ... you can get that shooting the shade setting in a cloudy reality with a Nikon. |
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Jack Howard, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Central Jersey | NJ | USA | Posted: 9:19 PM on 04.07.09 |
->> Yup--something was done to it.
It was impugned on a message board for some reason or another. |
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Alan Herzberg, Photographer
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Elm Grove | WI | USA | Posted: 11:40 PM on 04.07.09 |
->> I didn't read Michael's question as impugning the photo or as freaking out over whatever was or wasn't done to it.
Looking at the photo, I couldn't tell if sepia toning burning was done, as Steven suggests, or if the look was just a result of the way the image was shot, as Sean suggests. Maybe Michael couldn't tell either, and in a crazy, devil-may-care moment of foolishness, he went ahead and asked. |
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Andrew Spear, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Athens | OH | United States | Posted: 11:36 AM on 04.08.09 |
| ->> It looks more like it was just desaturated. |
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Phil Hawkins, Photographer
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Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 12:31 PM on 04.08.09 |
| ->> It looks like to me a case can be made (albeit very weak) that some light vignetting could have been added to her torso to focus attention on her face, but that's a reach. Otherwise, I concur with wide-angle lens distortion and lens hood interference. Pretty clear assessment I would think. |
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Landon Finch, Photographer
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Colorado Springs | CO | USA | Posted: 4:07 PM on 04.08.09 |
->> I'm surprised none of the journalists here are at least questioning the toning of this image. It is because such toning is acceptable within journalism? It is because we've had the "mob mentality" on SS.com too much in accusing other journalists and no one wants to go down that road?
No one has a problem with the toning? Shouldn't it either be black and white, "correct" color, or at least completely sepia?
"you can get that shooting the shade setting in a cloudy reality with a Nikon"
Does that make it okay to leave it that way if it doesn't represent what the scene actually looked like? So if someone shoots in tungsten mode under a bright sunny day, they shouldn't correct the WB?
"It looks more like it was just desaturated." Is it okay to partially desaturate an image?
Just curious... |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 5:34 PM on 04.08.09 |
| ->> I honestly looked at it again and surmised the same thing I did when I first saw it....it's poorly shot and I just figured the photographer had pretty bad photoshop skills to go along with that... |
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Eric Francis, Photographer
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Omaha | NE | United States | Posted: 6:04 PM on 04.08.09 |
->> Landon,
I have the same thoughts as most everyone here.... eh, no big deal about this image.
But, let me ask you a question about this statement....
"No one has a problem with the toning? Shouldn't it either be black and white, "correct" color, or at least completely sepia?"
Why is B&W or sepia tone ok?
I just came in from outside, and I don't recall it being tones of grey out there, much less Sepia. Unless an image is being reproduced in a medium that is monochrome, why is it ok to tone an image monochrome if it's not ok the desaturate it some? |
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Ron Erdrich, Photographer
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Abilene | TX | USA | Posted: 6:07 PM on 04.08.09 |
| ->> To me, it looks like a portrait. A portrait is a controlled situation, similar to a photo illustration though not over-the-top in whatever it may depict. By definition, if a portrait is a controlled situation, then it would be subject to the kind of manipulation that you wouldn't expect to see in a straight news photograph. |
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Bryon Houlgrave, Photographer
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Waukesha | Wi | USA | Posted: 6:12 PM on 04.08.09 |
| ->> My biggest question is why does anyone take a Web site called noozhawk.com seriously??? Isn't our job as journalists to at least spell keerectly? |
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Rich Cruse, Photographer
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Laguna Niguel | CA | USA | Posted: 6:17 PM on 04.08.09 |
| ->> I agree with Ron. |
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Andy Bronson, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Bellingham | WA | USA | Posted: 6:42 PM on 04.08.09 |
| ->> I am a bit of the old school photojournalist so take this comment understanding that I am bothered by this photo. The toning and desaturation is too much. It looks like she was pulled from a crowd/meeting and shot for a "portrait". Shadows on her face suggest an almost sunny but overcast/shadow type of day.. the vignetting is uneven on the left and it looks to be a full frame image. so if it were a lens issue the lower right would be almost equal to the left.. so there's burning. Is it too much to ask that if you work as a journalist, that unless it's an illustration or fashion photo, desaturation/color manipulation as seen here, should be left to the art form, not a journalistic tool. Either go BW or color.. this seem to be using tools to correct a mediocre photo situation in order to make the candidate stand out in the photo. I think it would have been a better thing, based on the cutline to get her engaged/taking/reacting in the group behind her or out working the voters. |
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Bob Ford, Photographer
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Lehighton | Pa | USA | Posted: 6:45 PM on 04.08.09 |
| ->> I guess I'm the minority here, but if this photo was put into our system at work it would be questioned. The photographer would have been asked for the original. |
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Mark Peters, Photographer
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PJ Heller, Photographer
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Santa Barbara | CA | USA | Posted: 7:59 PM on 04.08.09 |
| ->> Already have . . . am awaiting a reply. |
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Jack Howard, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Central Jersey | NJ | USA | Posted: 10:45 PM on 04.08.09 |
->> Bread!
Apples!
Uh, very small rocks!
Cider!
Uh, gra-- gravy!
Cherries!
Mud!
Uh, churches! Churches!
Lead! Lead!
A duck!
Oooh....
Exactly. So, logically...
If... she... weighs... the same as a duck,... she's made of wood.
And therefore?
A witch!
A witch! |
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PJ Heller, Photographer
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Santa Barbara | CA | USA | Posted: 10:55 PM on 04.08.09 |
->> OK boys and girls...
Here’s a message from Michelle who did the photo. I asked Michelle to explain what if anything was done to the image, mentioning that there was a discussion going on here about it.
The reply, posted with permission:
Thanks for emailing me. I saw the comments and the links.
I am a first year student of journalism at City College and an intern for Noozhawk.com, but I still haven't taken classes on photography or photojournalism (which I will next semester). I guess I got to find out some shooting rules that I haven't learned before on this site!
I am not knowledgeable of photoshop so I'm not so sure of everything I did while messing around with the photo but I did some saturation. I guess I thought it looked cool!
I would appreciate some more pointers or advice from experienced shooters such as yourself, so I can avoid making such mistakes.
I hope my inexperience does not offend you.
Best Regards,
Michelle J. Wong |
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Landon Finch, Photographer
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Colorado Springs | CO | USA | Posted: 11:37 AM on 04.09.09 |
->> Hey Eric,
"I have the same thoughts as most everyone here.... eh, no big deal about this image."
I don't really care either way, I was just surprised that the journalism purists out there in SS.com weren't saying that the photo was manipulated in some unacceptable way. (It now looks like there are at least a few here that don't think the image is acceptable.)
Ron does make a good point about this being a controlled portrait situation.
"Why is B&W or sepia tone ok?"
I didn't say it was okay. B&W and color images seem to be acceptable to most in journalism. I don't think most would accept sepia as okay, but I thought a monotone (sepia) image would be more acceptable over a partially desaturated image. |
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Louis Lopez, Photographer
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Fontana | CA | USA | Posted: 2:07 PM on 04.09.09 |
->> does it really matter what tone? it's a portrait.
as long as they are not adding something that was not there, the tone or white balance does not bother me.
in the words of that great man of wisdom Sergeant Hulka, "lighten up Francis". |
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Joe Nicola, Photographer
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Fort Worth | TX | USA | Posted: 12:13 PM on 04.11.09 |
->> Yeah, what Louis said. Clearly, it's a portrait, so why is anyone making a big deal about this? Is that shot any different than a sports portrait of a basketball player shot in a darkened gym with a single monolight? I've been to some real dungeons of basketball gyms, but never recalled a game played in the dark.
So, yeah, "lighten up, Francis." LOL...good one, Louis! |
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