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5D Video Thread
Joshua Brown, Photographer
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New York | NY | USA | Posted: 9:52 PM on 12.22.08 |
->> If you have a 5D video you shot or found, post the link here.
I put together a short little video I shot at a holiday party and thought it might be interesting for those curious about the low light video capabilities. The primary light source was a single lamp in the living room.
I know I am learning a lot by watching other videos that have been produced, but I am particularly curious to see what other photo friends are shooting with it.
This was more about practicing my video shooting and follow focus skills than editing, so I just chopped it up in iMovie 8.
http://www.vimeo.com/2606886
FYI. Here are the vimeo compresssion settings
http://www.vimeo.com/help/compression |
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Walter Calahan, Photographer
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Westminster | MD | USA | Posted: 10:21 PM on 12.22.08 |
->> Doesn't anyone post still images taken with the 5D mk II?
Grin. |
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Joshua Brown, Photographer
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New York | NY | USA | Posted: 11:00 PM on 12.22.08 |
| ->> Yeah I just posted around 5000 of them stitched together in a 3 min slideshow :) |
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Daniel Putz, Photographer
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Rene Mireles, Photographer
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Holland | MI | USA | Posted: 11:12 AM on 12.23.08 |
->> Here is forum I just found when looking at 5d vids
http://cinema5d.com |
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Daniel Putz, Photographer
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Jefferson | MD | USA | Posted: 11:47 AM on 12.23.08 |
->> And Vimeo caught up with the queue.
http://www.vimeo.com/2611366
I went one better, candle light! |
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David Harpe, Photographer
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Louisville | KY | USA | Posted: 11:58 AM on 12.23.08 |
->> Hey Daniel,
How much did it cost to license that Barenaked Ladies song for your video?
Dave |
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Daniel Putz, Photographer
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Jefferson | MD | USA | Posted: 1:31 PM on 12.23.08 |
| ->> Fair Use is a wonderful thing. |
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Andrew Sullivan, Photo Editor, Photographer
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Kissimmee | FL | USA | Posted: 2:48 PM on 12.23.08 |
->> If ever a last name was àpropos.
Andrew Sullivan
www.picandrew.com |
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Daniel Putz, Photographer
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Jefferson | MD | USA | Posted: 2:52 PM on 12.23.08 |
| ->> And yes, that was me who voted Funny. I can take a joke. I'm waiting for Mr. Boner's response. *g* |
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David Harpe, Photographer
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Louisville | KY | USA | Posted: 3:13 PM on 12.23.08 |
->> Fair Use is a wonderful thing.
Then that would be a "no" on the license question.
How about Vimeo's "Terms of Service"?
http://www.vimeo.com/terms
"You further represent and warrant that (i) you own or have the necessary licenses, rights, consents and permissions to use and authorize VIMEO to use all patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright or other proprietary rights in and to your Submission to enable inclusion and use of the Submission in the manner contemplated by this TOS;"
The "contemplated by this TOS" part includes:
"By submitting your Submission to VIMEO, you hereby grant VIMEO and its affiliates, successors and assigns a worldwide, perpetual, non-exclusive, irrevocable, royalty-free, sub-licensable (through multiple tiers) and transferable license (with a right to create derivative works) to use, copy, transmit or otherwise distribute, perform, modify, incorporate into other works, publicly perform and display your Submission or any portion thereof, in or through any medium, whether now known or hereafter created. VIMEO shall be entitled to unrestricted use of any Submission for any purpose whatsoever, commercial or otherwise, without compensation to the submitter. You also grant each user of the VIMEO Site and Services a non-exclusive license to access your Submission through the VIMEO Site or any other access point authorized by VIMEO, and to use, copy, transmit or otherwise distribute, perform, publicly perform, create derivative works of, and display your Submission to the extent expressly authorized by VIMEO on the VIMEO Site and/or in this TOS."
So "fair use" covers what Vimeo is asking for - namely "unrestricted use of any Submission for any purpose whatsoever, commercial or otherwise"?
Good to know. I did not know Fair Use covered all of this. |
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Andrew Sullivan, Photo Editor, Photographer
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Kissimmee | FL | USA | Posted: 3:15 PM on 12.23.08 |
->> I enjoyed the video. Maybe a little constant lighting in the foreground to balance the daylight coming through the window could have added to the quality a bit. Actually, I'd be interested to know if any 5D MKII owners will start adding led lightbanks or similar constant light sources to their kits...
Calling it 'fair use' of copyrighted music because its a nonprofit educational video on cakemaking is a stretch though. I think that because only 3 people are still interested in Barenaked Ladies' music that you are significantly impacting the potential market for their work.
And yes, I'm sure you never have been made fun of because of your surname, I voted Funny for your post too.
Andrew Sullivan
www.picandrew.com |
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Daniel Putz, Photographer
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Jefferson | MD | USA | Posted: 3:28 PM on 12.23.08 |
->> Well, before I uploaded it I put it through the 4 points, since there is no set standard for it, it's all open to interpretation:
1. The purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
--As Andrew said, it's a nonprofit, educational video on cakemaking.
2. The nature of the copyrighted work;
--It's a digital file. Not sure what else to say, but I do own the CD it came off of.
3. Amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
--about 1/2 the song.
4. The effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
--Clearly none. If you like the music, go buy the CD. If you like the video, stay tuned for more. A plus to both parties. |
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David Harpe, Photographer
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Louisville | KY | USA | Posted: 3:58 PM on 12.23.08 |
| ->> Gotcha. My apologies. |
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Myung Chun, Photographer
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Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 5:52 PM on 12.23.08 |
->> Hijack alert:
Daniel, after seeing the video, I don't think fair use applies.
My understanding of fair use is "criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research" of the material itself, in this case the music.
Even though you say it's a cooking lesson, the fair use of the copyrighted music would not apply since it's not a music lesson nor a "criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research" about Barenaked Ladies music.
Just my 2-cents and no I'm not a lawyer.
You may resume your regularly scheduled thread. |
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Wes Hope, Photographer
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Maryville | TN | USA | Posted: 9:22 PM on 12.23.08 |
->> Hey guys, if you're going after Daniel, you might as well go after a large chunk of Vimeo posters (including the OP). While we're at it what about some of Vincent's videos? Or the bulk of the music you hear at seminars during photographers' slideshows?
No one is making money off these fun little exploratory 5D vids. So cut 'em some slack on the copyrighted music soapbox. Mr. Putz (lovely name btw) isn't selling videos on cake making (at least I hope not... Rachel Ray you ain't, Bub). Music copyright is such a murky water that I don't think there's enough time left in the century to hash it all out.
Sit back and enjoy these little video snippets and leave the legal crap to the lawyers.
(FWIW, I'm not condoning the illegal use of copyrighted music for professional gain, but this is just kids having fun playing with their new toys).
Game on. |
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David Harpe, Photographer
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Louisville | KY | USA | Posted: 10:48 PM on 12.23.08 |
->> Threadjack...
Hey, it's only music right? Not hurting anyone. Not costing anyone anything....I wouldn't have bought the rights to the music anyway. Only did it for a small project. Really it's educational. Fair use and all. Really, it's an advertisement for the musicians (even though I didn't give them credit). Just a little video on a little web site. What's it gonna hurt?
Sound familiar?
Surprising to hear this position from people who make their living off of creating copyrighted material.
(I'm sensitive to the music issue because I have several friends who are struggling musicians. They talk about the same issues we do with respect to people "borrowing" their content - particularly when it's done without credit). |
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Bob Ford, Photographer
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Lehighton | Pa | USA | Posted: 11:18 PM on 12.23.08 |
->> Wes, as David pointed out, every excuse about using copyrighted music could be said about using professional photographs on webpages and blogs, or even to make copies for their own use.
I'm guessing you might have a problem with a bride from a wedding you photographed taking her proof book to WalMart and making 8x10s for her album. Even though no one is making money off those 8x10s that she's making.
And for the record, Vincent Laforet adressed the issue of the music in Reverie in his blog.
http://tinyurl.com/3ecffe
"Moby very, very graciously allows independent film makers to use his music (with attribution) as part of their films - with specific limitations. I also sought out a more direct clearance on my own with him and his record labels on top of that just f.y.i."
Here's a link to Moby's "specific limitations"...
http://mobygratis.com/film-music.html
Copyright is copyright whether it's our pictures or someone else's music. |
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Nick Adams, Photographer
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Houston | TX | | Posted: 11:49 PM on 12.23.08 |
->> Daniel. I just followed your "educational video" and I must say, my cake did not turn out like yours.
Then I reviewed the video and I found out that you didn't add the mix in the video.
I guess it wasn't that educational after all, I think the Barenaked Ladies would agree. |
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Daniel Putz, Photographer
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Jefferson | MD | USA | Posted: 12:39 AM on 12.24.08 |
->> Ahh well, leave it to BNL Guitarist Steven Page to spill it all out:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070427-barenaked-ladies-if-i-had-a-c...
"...his position, which is premised on the idea that "music pirates" are actually "fans" and shouldn't be punished for wanting to hear music. They should pay for the privilege, but that payment should be low and kept as simple as possible. And they should be allowed to redistribute and mash up material."
I'm stunned actually. But I won't be surprised if someone absolutely flames Mr. Page for his views. |
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Dennis Wierzbicki, Photographer
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Plainfield | IL | USA | Posted: 11:38 AM on 12.24.08 |
->> Copyright tussle aside, I have enjoyed the 5D MkII video snippets and contemplating how this feature will add to my (and others') ability to tell a story with images and video.
Joshua, BTW, Sufjan Stevens' song Star of Wonder is an intriguing find (independent of any copyright questions). In fact, hearing it in your video gave the motivation to head over to the iTunes Music Store to explore his music which led to me purchasing several cuts from his holiday album...
Happy Holidays to all! |
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Alex Menendez, Photographer
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Orlando | FL | USA | Posted: 6:56 PM on 12.26.08 |
->> Why the hell all the damn hype when nobody carries the camera?
You'd think Canon would have half a brain and at least supply the stores with actual cameras before teasing us. Just a thought....
alex |
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Doug Thompson, Photographer
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Floyd | VA | | Posted: 10:13 AM on 12.27.08 |
->> Alex, the stores carry the 5D MKII but they are backordered at most places. I got mine in a week from Adorama by ordering through Jeff Snyder. We go through the same thing with just about every release of a new body.
OT, it's often surprisingly simple to get permission to use music for non-commercial purposes. I had no trouble obtaining permission from Stephen Stills to use Buffalo Springfield's "For What it's Worth" in a short video about 9/11.
Three years ago, I wanted to use a guitar piece by Roger McGuinn to background video shot in the Appalachian Mountains. When I contacted him, he asked to see a rough cut and then sat down with Marshall Brickman in a studio and created orginal music tailored to the video. When I told him I didn't have a budget to pay for original music, he said "no problem. Just give us credit."
Like any of us who create, musicians like to be asked before their work is used. |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 10:46 AM on 12.27.08 |
| ->> Alex, just received mine, (I was shocked by my boss just before Christmas) and it is one sweet machine. unreal files and the video (although I had no idea what I was doing) turned out great. I used a small boom mic on the hotshoe mount and got great sound. it is going to make dual (video and still) assigments MUCH easier. |
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Tom Knier, Photographer
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Lancaster | PA | USA | Posted: 11:25 AM on 12.27.08 |
->> I was just amazed to see Daniel wearing a Lancaster Barnstormers shirt shilst making the cake.
Wait... Did you actually sign up for a credit card there? |
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Alex Menendez, Photographer
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Orlando | FL | USA | Posted: 12:15 PM on 12.27.08 |
->> Chuck,
Just for giggles, let me know how the autofocus tracks at the next basketball game. I pray that it works fer ya!!!
I am on 2 wait lists and just wondering when it will arrive...!
alex |
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Al Goldis, Photographer
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East Lansing | MI | USA | Posted: 1:09 PM on 12.27.08 |
| ->> Alex, you must not be on the list at Adorama because it looks like it's in stock there. |
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Svein Ove Ekornesvaag, Photographer
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Luke Sharrett, Student/Intern
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Norfolk | VA | United States | Posted: 5:32 PM on 12.27.08 |
| ->> Has anyone tested external hotshoe mics for the 5D2? It seems to be a tossup between the Rode VideoMic or the Sennheiser MKE 400. If only there was an easy way to monitor audio too. |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 6:44 PM on 12.27.08 |
| ->> I used my audiotechnica ATR55 telemike on a little hotshoe microphone adapter thingy. it worked quite well. |
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Doug Thompson, Photographer
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Floyd | VA | | Posted: 9:05 PM on 12.27.08 |
->> Luke:
I haven't tried a hotshoe arrangement but have used a Sony UWP-V6 wireless setup on the 5D2. The receiver mounts in the hotshoe and also has a monitor out for headphones. Worked like a charm. |
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Rene Mireles, Photographer
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Holland | MI | USA | Posted: 1:43 PM on 12.28.08 |
->> Luke,
I have the Rode Video Mic but haven't been able to compare it to anything else around in my area, the Rode audio quality is excellent and you won't be disapointed. |
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Joshua Brown, Photographer
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New York | NY | USA | Posted: 8:03 PM on 12.28.08 |
->> I found this site today http://www.cinema5d.com
Seems to be a good community for learning and posting.
here is my second video, a short b/w documentary,
http://www.vimeo.com/2648294
Mostly used the 24mm 1.4 mark II and the 24-105 f4, just the built in audio, converted it to b/w in camera with picture styles, edited in the airport in iMovie 08. Right now I am just trying to work on my pacing and video composition before I jump into color grading, audio, and FCP editing. |
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Joshua Brown, Photographer
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New York | NY | USA | Posted: 8:05 PM on 12.28.08 |
| ->> oops, i just saw Rene's posting of that cinema5d site. it seems to be one of the best so far, anyone have any other DSLR video sites? |
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Joshua Brown, Photographer
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New York | NY | USA | Posted: 8:10 PM on 12.28.08 |
->> last post, but if anyone is interested in sharing their vimeo videos on the iPhone check this out
iphone.episodic.com
Transcodes any video RSS feed into h.264 and works beautifully on the phone.
http://iphone.episodic.com/joshuabrown |
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Wes Hope, Photographer
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Maryville | TN | USA | Posted: 12:50 PM on 12.29.08 |
->> Here are two videos I've stumbled across recently that I like. Nothing mind-bending or award winning, but a nice little films nonetheless:
A family portrait - http://vimeo.com/2560306
Winter - http://www.vimeo.com/2606805
I'll save the copyrighted music arguments for another thread, but I do want to clear up my point that several of you missed (I assume so based on some of the comments here and that I received via email)... YES, I agree, in the overall scheme of things, use of copyrighted music is wrong.
In my opinion though, the usage of it for purposes of making silly videos of baking cakes or video snippets of a friend's party (or for that matter slideshows of your kid's first birthday or videos of a brick wall, grass growing, your dog crapping in your neighbor's yard) doesn't matter. I'm not talking about commercial usage here. The second that any of these videos becomes a money-making venture for the users, then I wholeheartedly agree that, without permission, these closet Spielbergs are in the wrong. You can argue that copyright is copyright, but I think this is a gray area.
I could go on, but like I said, let's keep this thread about 5D videos. You want to debate music copyright, get something started on another thread.
(I will address this to Bob though: FWIW, my clients are free to take their proofs to Walmart and attempt to make prints... I give them a proofbook that consists of contact sheets... I'd like to see an 8x10 made off a 1x3 image. :) Now if they buy an 8x10 from me and then make copies of their own, I can't stop them, even though I've made the clients aware of the copyright of each photo they purchase. Does it make me happy? No. Because each 8x10 they print themselves is a potential sale for me and the quality is out of my control. Is there anything I can do about it? Yes and No. I can't stop them, but I educate our clients to the best of my ability. They can scan and print themselves, but it just isn't going to look as good as if I do it for them, because I am the professional in our relationship. That's why they come to me in the first place.
And for the record, I knew that about the Moby music since Vincent states "used with permission", but what's unclear is some of the other music used on his blog. In particular the "behind-the-scenes" video on Dec. 3. Kanye West may be as gracious as Moby. I don't know. And for all I know Vince could play basketball with Kanye every Thursday down at the Y and he said it's cool for Vince to use whatever he wants. Again. I don't know. I'm not accusing anyone of anything. But therein lies the gray area... is a behind-the-scenes clip being used for commercial gain or is it something Vince just wants to show off to his friends. Is it wrong or right? Again, that's another thread.) |
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Joshua Brown, Photographer
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New York | NY | USA | Posted: 4:29 PM on 01.15.09 |
->> This new site just sprung up and posted my last video. seems like a good place to find some content.
http://theeoscars.com/5dblog/ |
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Alex Menendez, Photographer
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Orlando | FL | USA | Posted: 8:35 PM on 01.15.09 |
->> I shot this handheld at the National Championship game from the upper deck with a wide 15mm and 50mm. Kinda slow to watch, not very exciting but it does show how the camera holds up in the dark with fireworks, crowd and video boards.
http://www.vimeo.com/2814383 |
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Luke Sharrett, Student/Intern
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Bowling Green | KY | United States | Posted: 3:13 AM on 04.01.09 |
->> I saw this online last night and it blew me away. It's a bit unconventional, but incredible storytelling nonetheless.
The Road to Recovery
http://www.vimeo.com/3262234 |
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Myung Chun, Photographer
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Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 10:29 PM on 04.02.09 |
| ->> Thanks for the link Luke. The "Road to Recovery" was very well done. Kudos to photographer David Stephenson. |
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