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1d mark ii for 2 40d?
Alex Surrey, Student/Intern
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Glendale | CA | United States | Posted: 2:05 PM on 07.22.08 |
| ->> I am thinking of selling my 1d mark ii and buy 2 canon 40d with grip. Anyone think that I am making the wrong decision. My Mark II was great when I first bought it but the focusing on it seems to lack for me. The 2 40d will complement a 17-40 L, 70-200 f2.8 L, 50 f1.4, 400mm f2.8 L, and 1.4x. so if I can get some ideas on new body suggestions most is appreciated . |
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Ben Stewart, Student/Intern
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Minneapolis | MN | USA | Posted: 3:18 PM on 07.22.08 |
->> Are you saying that you are not satisfied with the Mark II AF and think the 40D will be better.
If so, probably not.
How long have you been using your Mark II? |
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Alex Surrey, Student/Intern
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Glendale | CA | United States | Posted: 3:21 PM on 07.22.08 |
| ->> I have had the mark ii for about a year. I really don't know I think the best idea might be to bring my lenses into Samys and try it out. |
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William Maner, Photographer
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Biloxi | MS | USA | Posted: 3:25 PM on 07.22.08 |
->> Alex, my situation might help you make a decision.
I'm new to dSLRs. I bought my first dSLR--a late model "classic" 1D with less than 30K clicks on the shutter--in April 2007.
I had been using an EOS 3 film camera for my primary camera, backed up by an ancient EOS 10s from 1991. It was getting to the point that it was not practical to experiment with a variety of shooting angles and lens combinations using film cameras.
When I got the 1D, it quickly became my primary camera. I still lugged the EOS 3 along so that I could use my 70-200EF 2.8 on the 1D and use my 17-40EF on another body. After a years' worth of using that dSLR and film body combination, I decided I would be more "efficient" if I got another dSLR. I wouldn't be switching lenses between the 1D and the EOS 3. I was fortunate to find a good deal on a barely used 40D.
I've had the 40D for about five weeks now. I've shot a variety of photos with it. My experience is that the old 1D is still better suited for action/sports photos. The AF is more accurate and consistent.
The 40D is better suited for still photos and portraits. From what I've seen, the color is better with the 40D. Even though the 40D is a 1.6 crop camera as opposed to the 1.3 crop 1D, the 10.1 mp 40D produces crisper large photos.
If your Mark II seems "lacking" with the AF, you might need to have it serviced. Like I said, my old 1D does a better job with AF than the 40D. The 40D probably does a better job than older xxD models, but it's not up to the standards of the 1D series cameras.
If you could afford it, I'd buy a 40D and use it along with the Mark II. If you feel that the 40D outperforms the Mark II, then sell the Mark II and get another 40D. Don't make such a sudden plunge by putting all your eggs in the 40D basket.
If you shoot a lot of sports/action shots, you might find your keeper rate down compared to what the 1D series capabilities. |
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Ben Stewart, Student/Intern
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Minneapolis | MN | USA | Posted: 3:30 PM on 07.22.08 |
->> In my opinion, the Mark II has required more post processing than the 20D, but I generally leave the in camera settings at default.
And I either haven't checked the 20D settings or its naturally a bit "crisper" out of camera.
By the way, Alex, I read your 400 2.8 post a while ago. Where did you find one? |
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Alex Surrey, Student/Intern
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Glendale | CA | United States | Posted: 3:33 PM on 07.22.08 |
| ->> Thanks William, very helpful! |
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Alex Surrey, Student/Intern
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Glendale | CA | United States | Posted: 3:35 PM on 07.22.08 |
| ->> I got my 400mm from sports shooter member Jim Slosiarek great deal, came with trunk, lightware case, rain cover,hood, and keys. |
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Chris Condon, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Ponte Vedra Bch | FL | USA | Posted: 3:43 PM on 07.22.08 |
->> I think if you are primarily shooting action then you will quickly be frustrated by the slow speed of the 40D. The Mark II is much faster and overall a better performer for sports. If you think the mark II is having focusing issues, send it to Canon along with your glass to see if there is a problem.
I use a 40D as a remote and for the occasion non-action shot, but don't consider it a "primary" body. |
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Jim Metzendorf, Photographer
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Columbus | OH | United States | Posted: 4:06 PM on 07.22.08 |
->> If you frequently shoot things or people that move around a lot, you will hate the 40D compared to a 1D Mark II. But as a professional, you should have two bodies. I recently recommended to someone on here with a Mark II that they get an original 1D as a backup and shoot RAW. I'll suggest the same thing to you. They are dirt cheap used these days. Save up for month or two to get one if you have to.
Take care,
-Jim |
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Scott Greenlee, Photographer, Student/Intern
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Crescent Springs | KY | United States | Posted: 5:30 PM on 07.22.08 |
| ->> Don't ask me how but I know for a fact that Canon is releasing a 40D replacement and will be on the market within a couple of months. It will likely be able to shoot eight frames per second to rival Nikon's D300. I'd sell your Mark II and get a 40D and a 50D (or what ever its called). |
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Scott Fong, Student/Intern
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Pacifica | CA | USA | Posted: 6:00 PM on 07.22.08 |
->> If the AF is the only thing backing your debate i would strongly consider taking a few of your lenses down to a camera store and trying out a 40D. A good friend of mine borrowed one to try on a shoot and complained the whole time that the AF wasn't nearly as good as his MkII. I might be going out on a limb here but I'm sure most would agree that the 1D MkII is one of Canon's better focusing DSLRs as most sports photographers are opting for MkIIs over MKIIIs because of the AF issues.
Another option, one of my favorites, if you have a RItz Camera/ Wolf by you go and "buy" the camera they have a 30 day return policy and as long as you put everything back in the box no charge! I used to work there.... HAHA hope this helped.
As far as image quality, the 40D is very clean almost 5Dish. Newer processor etc. will always improvements in image quality, not to mention slightly larger file size. However you will be cutting your sensor size down from a 1.3 crop to 1.6 crop.
Good Luck, personally i'd stick with the MKII because you won't make enough on the used market to pick up 2 40Ds which even used are 900ish w/o the grip. |
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Duane Burleson, Photographer
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Sterling Heights | MI | USA | Posted: 7:09 PM on 07.22.08 |
->> Alex,
I would never make that trade. You may get a slight increase in image quality but the auto focus will not be any better. After suffering through the many Canon incarnations of "pro-sumer" camera bodies over the years, as both primary and secondary bodies, I realized how much better the 1D series is. They are more robust, better built, better handling -- just plain better -- cameras.
I have one Mark II that I bought as a Canon Refurbished that I put 192,000 actuations on before ever having to be repaired, it needed a new shutter.
If you are having focus issues with your Mark II I would send it in for an auto focus adjustment.
Duane |
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Clark Brooks, Photo Editor, Photographer
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Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 7:19 PM on 07.22.08 |
->> Alex:
If your AF seems sluggish, try reinstalling the latest firmware without a lens on the body. You will find it back to factory specs after you do this. Eventually this will happen to the 40D if you get a pair and you will need to do a reinstall. I would recommend doing this every 20 to 30K in exposures.
Personally, I think the AF is better on the 40D than the Mark II and Classic in some situations. In low light or low contrast situations, the 40D has yielded fewer OOF images. I shot prep basketball and volleyball with the 40D while my Mark II was being repaired and am still amazed at the performance under gym lighting. Day football and soccer were all a breese with the 40D as well.
As Scott mentioned, Canon will release a new mid-level body soon. The 40D was released in August of last year. Next year they will introduce it's replacement - 50D or whatever they want to call it - around Februray or March. Given that the US economy is looking pretty they may release it sooner than the normal 18 month cycle they have maintained since the 10D was introduced.
Why not keep the MarkII and buy a used 40D for a second body? You can wait for the 40D replacement and then decide to sell both for it or keep what you have. |
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Rick Rowell, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Vista | CA | USA | Posted: 7:51 PM on 07.22.08 |
| ->> Alex, I own a 40D. I've had it for about a year now. Although is does focus quickly in most situations it does not compare to the quick focusing 1D series cameras when shooting action. If your Mark 2 is having a problem then send it in to Canon at Irvine. Two 40D body's do not equal one Mark 2 and never will IMHO. Good Luck, Rick. |
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