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canon: used 1ds vs. 5D, which is a better choice?
Kurtis Kunoth, Photographer
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Carlsbad | CA | United States | Posted: 1:03 PM on 06.06.08 |
| ->> Question for everyone? Which would you choose? A 1ds in good condition? or a brand new 5D? Both full frame and similar image size. I like the 1Ds because of body is built better, will take more abuse. But the 5D is nice because of the 3 inch LCD and the size is nicer to carry around. Any advice would be apprieciated. Thanks! |
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Harrison Shull, Photographer
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Fayetteville, WV | Asheville, NC | | Posted: 1:16 PM on 06.06.08 |
->> I shot the 1Ds before upgrading to the 5D. There is absolutely no reason that I can think of to shoot the old 1Ds over the 5D. I am an outdoor adventure photog who is less than kind to his gear and have had no durability issues with the 5D.
The 1Ds is getting a bit long in the tooth these days. I was having trouble with poor ISO performance at anything other than 100. The 1Ds shoots a RAW file that is a .TIF rather than the more common .cr2. I was afraid of confusing the RAW files for "real" TIFF files and also worried that there'd be no support for those files on down the road.
I am currently shooting two 5Ds - one with grip and one without. The smaller form factor, more MPs, better ISO performance, and just better image quality makes the 5D a winner in every respect.
Waiting a bit till the 5D's replacement might be wise too if you can. At that point you'll have your choice of the newest technology improvements or a 5D at even more of a bargain price. |
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Juliann Tallino, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Port Townsend/Seattle | WA | USA | Posted: 1:19 PM on 06.06.08 |
| ->> The 5D is a pretty sturdy little camera, may not be as weather proof as the 1Ds but build is solid. For example, very first shot of a 3 day shoot, I pick up my camera from a table, the strap catches on some wiring hanging down under the table, camera is ripped out of my hands and SLAMS down on solid concrete floor from a height of about 4 ft. Lens and Camera are fine, it did mess up the battery door a bit , but a strip of gaffers tape fixed that, so all was good. Shoot went well and client was very happy. |
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Rick Rowell, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Vista | CA | USA | Posted: 1:23 PM on 06.06.08 |
| ->> Are you talking about the 1Ds Mark I, Mark II or Mark III? |
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Kent Nishimura, Student/Intern
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Honolulu | HI | USA | Posted: 2:57 PM on 06.06.08 |
->> Kinda echoing what Rick said about which model is it. I think that'll definitely play into the decision, but what i'm inferring from your post is that it's the original 1Ds? If thats the case i'd go with the 5D imho. (Althoguh i've never owned either...just played extensively with both.)
Juliann, wow! i'm glad nothing major happened! Holy moley i would've been on hands and knees freaking out about that. Actually thats what happened when my CANON brand strap broke on my 1D+24-70L and taht crashed 4 feet to the ground. Luckily only the 80$ B+W UV Haze lens protector was shattered. |
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Anantachai Brown, Photographer
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Jacksonville | FL | | Posted: 3:45 PM on 06.06.08 |
->> just purchase a 1ds w/ less than 12k actuations last week...i do love it, although there are some glaring downsides versus the 5d i previously borrowed a couple weeks prior.
positives:
1. the focusing is nicer than 5d...single point focus, i didn't have to worry about the focusing stray from my main target.
2. low ISO has a great looking file IMO...
3. build.
4. mainly for portraits.
5. images are sharp out of the camera.
Negative:
1. definitely not a WEDDING or fast paced camera...the review is extremely slow, (not for chimpers..:) ) and the buffer is very low....5d is by far the winner here.
2. 5d lcd is larger and has the zoom in for review.
3. 5d is lighter and batteries last much longer.
4. 5d definitely better high ISO performer.
i've been waiting for the 5d upgrade...so my thinking was buy the 1ds for cheaper (portrait work) then wait for the new camera to come out. |
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Brian Shirk, Photographer, Assistant
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McCall | ID | US | Posted: 4:13 PM on 06.06.08 |
->> I'm using the 1Ds... I like it because it matches with my other 1d-series cameras, but you are really maxing it out at ISO 800. I'm one of "those guys" who actually needs the durability and weather-sealing things. Batteries go so fast it's unreal.
The files are comparable to a 5d, if not sharper. They seem to spend a little more time on that kind of thing with the pro cameras (there has to be SOME reason to buy them). It does actually have the zoom in review, though it isn't as well-developed as the newer ones - turn it on with the custom function, and there's a way to scroll through 9 or 16 tiles of the image to check focus. It's a little annoying, but works for slow-moving situations. The review time doesn't bug me too much - if you turn the review time up a little and use it with a histogram you don't really have to worry about it too much. But if you're trying to do playback, it can take some time. The AF on the 1ds is a world of difference above the 5d - this really cemented it for me.
The couple of things that really are making me think about changing over to a 5d is the fact that less color correction is required on the 5d - nothing is glaringly obvious straight out of a raw on the 5d's, while a 1ds has some nasty greens in the shadows. The battery time really kills you. It's just a couple hundred shots while using AF and LCD sparingly. I've found that I rarely use it with portrait or longer lenses, and low-light situations I tend to stick to a mkII-N for the better AF, so the difference in the 5d and 1ds isn't really too noticeable for things like weddings when it's a 2nd/3rd/4th camera. It tends to get relegated to remote work a lot. Not that a 5d wouldn't.
I'm just going to wait for the 5d upgrade and re-evaluate... If I can take a profit by switching over I will; otherwise I'll keep it or consider a 1DsII. |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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Live HVN : Work SFO-NYC | | | Posted: 9:07 PM on 06.06.08 |
->> I use two 1D bodies and a 1Ds and a 5D/20D combo.
They do very different jobs for me, in very different environments. |
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David Boily, Photographer
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Montreal | QC | Canada | Posted: 9:35 PM on 06.06.08 |
->> when I had a 1Ds as a second body to my Mark IIn, I was very satisfied. Same menu system, batteries, charger, feel, lightning fast focus and rock solid for daily PJ work. I eventually bought a second Mk II as a second body and sold the 1Ds to buy a 5D. Great decision and love the compact size of the 5D. Feels flimsy to me but I only use it for travel, feature and portrait work. I'm very happy with me decision.
The moral of this story is that if you use this daily as a second body or backup, I'd recommend the 1Ds. If all you want is a FF camera, then the 5D is great. Just keep in mind that the 1Ds is very slow if you are a chimper. |
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Harrison Shull, Photographer
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Fayetteville, WV | Asheville, NC | | Posted: 9:51 PM on 06.06.08 |
->> I don't buy this stuff about the 5D being flimsy.
I have dragged 5D's up and down mountains. I have had them underwater in housings. I have had them mounted to cars, airplanes, mountain bikes, and more. 90% of the time, I am out in the dirt and weather and have had absolutely no issues whatsoever.
Get the 5D you will be happier than the 1Ds. If you like a "big" camera, buy the grip and you are back to basically a 1 series camera.
I forgot - until some of you mentioned it - just how glacially slow the buffer is on the 1Ds. |
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Kurtis Kunoth, Photographer
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Carlsbad | CA | United States | Posted: 10:04 PM on 06.06.08 |
->> Good advice everyone. I think I'm sold on the 5d. I just got done borrowing one from CPS, and its really nice. But I wanted to hear everyones ideas on the "old" 1DS. I'am a chimper.... thou I hate to admit it, and I need a fast buffer. And the size of the camera makes it nice, I ride mtn bikes a ton with my gear, and its nice to have a lighter camera instead of a 1D brick. Ha, I used to ride with 2 of them :(.
I'm selling my 1D Mark 2 to afford the 5d, I'am I crazy for doing this??? Someone talk me out of it if this is a bad idea. I just really like the idea of having a full frame camera, and large files. I'm sick of my 17mm not being a true 17mm. But I love my 1D mark2. I'm torn. |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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Live HVN : Work SFO-NYC | | | Posted: 10:17 PM on 06.06.08 |
->> The 'Old 1Ds' is a HUGE battery hog.
Average 16hr wedding would have me go through 5 to 7 batteries in the day. With the 5D I pop in two batteries in the grip.....and charge them when I get home.
The 1D body has it's advantages, but for pure image quality the 5D is the hands down winner, with some other benefits that out weight it's short comings vs the 1D series bodies. |
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Doug Thompson, Photographer
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Floyd | VA | | Posted: 7:51 AM on 06.07.08 |
->> As others have noted, the question is better answered if we know which 1Ds is being considered. My 1Ds MK II delivers incredible images and has about the same battery life as the 1D MK II. I've used it to shoot sports and other events at up to 1600 ISO when I needed to produce poster size images (24 by 36 in).
Of course it's not as fast as the MK II and it takes longer to write to the CF card but the image quality is fantastic. A friend whose 5D died just before a wedding shoot borrowed my 1Ds to complete the job and now wants one to replace the 5D. I'm upgrading to the 1Ds MK III was soon as the check from a recent major shoot comes through. |
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Phil Hawkins, Photographer
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Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 12:04 PM on 06.07.08 |
->> "the 5D is nice because of the 3 inch LCD" ???
It's also kinda nice to have a full-frame 12meg image, low/no noise, can be had for around $1,800 these days, wish I had mine back. Sold it some time ago...
Definitely the 5D.... |
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Charles Ludeke, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Columbia | MO | USA | Posted: 12:32 PM on 06.07.08 |
| ->> Kurtis, if you want full-frame so badly, why don't you just purchase a Mark IIn? |
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Kurtis Kunoth, Photographer
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Carlsbad | CA | United States | Posted: 12:50 PM on 06.07.08 |
->> Mark IIn? Doesn't that camera still have a 1.3x conversion on the focal length??
I'd buy a 1Ds MarkII if I could afford the damn thing, they are still $3k+. Now that shooting is not my full time gig anymore, its hard to justify.
I think I'm holding onto my 1D mark 2 for now, I'm still super happy with the image quality it produces (thou its losing value everyday) and wait until the new 5D is released and just pick up an "old" 5D for a steal. Camera's are getting ridiculously good these days (besides the Mark III) and even older ones still produce great images even thou they are not the newest and greatest.
Phil, sorry I meant 2.5 LCD. I just picked up a G9 with a 3 inch LCD, hence my confusion. And I can't recommend this camera enough, for $400 this thing is a steal! |
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Anantachai Brown, Photographer
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Jacksonville | FL | | Posted: 2:07 PM on 06.07.08 |
| ->> the N is a 1.3 crop.....either way you'll be happy with the full frame. i'd keep the 1d mk II if possible. |
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Tom Theobald, Photographer
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La Mesa | CA | USA | Posted: 3:00 PM on 06.10.08 |
->> Dunno earlier 1Ds models, just replaced my 5D with 1Ds MKIII...
Is gone from my bag now, but still have total respect for 5D! During the 2+years running 5D, I pushed mine wayyyy beyond the designers original intentions. Can say, it met near all the tests, even given it's 3-fps speed. So much so, it became my "go to" body (converted me totally to full-frame)...and the IIn went more & more unused. Finally last September in Greece at a world championships, realized I pushed the 5D too far and needed to go 1Ds MKIII.
The situation...
After a week of banging away thousands of frames, the All-Around champion had just finished her last routine on the carpet, the scores flashed and the medals ceremony was beginning. I really needed my 5D just then for the waving the flowers portraits and the camera mysteriously froze-up. Feverishly I jammed in new batteries, new card etc, rebooted multiple times and still had no trigger button response. With seconds to go, I scrambled for my IIn to complete the day and medals images. Next day (and into 2008) my 5D was fine again!
Yet that one experience reminded me, I had pushed the 5D beyond it's limits (finally). In October, repair shop at home couldn't find reason for shutter jam or repeat the buffer lockup or whatever 'no trigger' vapor lock, I had. Anyhow, I realized in that desperate situation at Patras...I better get a 1Ds body or faster fps, full-frame, pro body. -T |
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